Being Blotted Out Of The Book Of Life

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Noel139

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This subject has vexed me since I became a Christian and every avenue I have gone down to try and understand is has not helped at all. Most of the explanations I hear sound false. I don't like people using the word 'security' when they are talking about our salvation. It sounds more like 'free-pass' to me. The other thing is, why would GOD encourage us not to be lead astray so adamantly if we can't lose our salvation due to us being saved? Here is something I read from a site I looked at:

"I am a believer (has accepted Christ). I used to believe as you that once saved always saved. And I think I still DO believe that. However, recently, a man a work who belongs to Assembly of God church tells me that we can lose our salvation and have our names blotted out of the lambs book of life. He says that if you are back-slidden and don' repent you will NOT go to heaven, and that you WILL LOSE your salvation. He states Revelation 17:8 and Revelation 3:5 pertaining to "those blotted out" are believers, otherwise their names would not have been written in the book. Please decipher this message for me. Now, all of a sudden, I feel that I have lost the joy of my salvation and am extremely worried that sins I have committed or am going to will make me lose salvation" (Guided By Truth: Can a believer's name be blotted out of the book of life?)

My first thought was, well if you have unrepented sin in your life, maybe you should be worried, but don't wallow, just repent. If you don't than you have no reason to wonder because GOD's people are not meant to fear. I believe we can give up our inheritance of Salvation if WE so choose. No one else can snatch us away, but we can leave. But, I can't be sure. I believe that when Yahshua says "I will not lose any of HIS that HE has given me" that HE is referring to those who will remain in the Book of Life even after death. My dad and his side of the family say that they are Christians and my dad even says that he has the baptism of the holy spirit and I believe that he does, but he lies, he hates, he doesn't forgive, he bares false witness, he divides his family, and he gives way to his selfishness. I do not see GOD in him. That pretty much describes his whole side of the family. I do not believe any of them get a free pass because they were saved. It is not because I am angry at them that I believe that, it is because it would literally make no sense. It is not scriptural. The closest I came to maybe getting some understanding was this article: 4.3. Names Blotted Out Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ There being three different Books of Life would make sense as to why GOD would even make mention of blotting someones name out of the Book of Life, right? But I see no evidence of three books. They mentioned Psalms 69:28 as talking about the Book of the Living, "May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.", but that says that the righteous are in that book, too, so that's not right. Unsaved believers are no different than unsaved nonbelievers because that are both unsaved and have both been presented with the same Truth and the opportunity to be saved. I don't see three Books of Life anywhere. So, the only explanation is that, those who get erased are those who gave up their inheritance.
 
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I thought years ago that because Jesus says what He says in Revelation 3:5, that it meant that because He could He would blot out names, but have changed my thinking about that over the last decade. There is nowhere in scripture that teaches that people's names will be blotted out from among those who have been born again into the family of God. Once saved, one is adopted permanently into God's precious family. As the perfect Father, He will not be disinheriting those He calls sons.


Now people can shipwreck their faith, but they cannot lose their salvation. One can enter through the gates as victor or as a beaten, wounded soldier, or even as a turncoat, but if he has been forgiven and accepted as a child of the King by faith, He will be welcomed exuberantly.
 
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One thing I can guarantee you in truth.
You are going to find out someday what is and what isn't
that they argue about down here all the time.
 

crossnote

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If security and free pass bother you, how about Free Gift?

Romans 5:10, 15-18 (KJV)
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
 

JGIG

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This subject has vexed me since I became a Christian and every avenue I have gone down to try and understand is has not helped at all. Most of the explanations I hear sound false. I don't like people using the word 'security' when they are talking about our salvation. It sounds more like 'free-pass' to me. The other thing is, why would GOD encourage us not to be lead astray so adamantly if we can't lose our salvation due to us being saved? Here is something I read from a site I looked at:

"I am a believer (has accepted Christ). I used to believe as you that once saved always saved. And I think I still DO believe that. However, recently, a man a work who belongs to Assembly of God church tells me that we can lose our salvation and have our names blotted out of the lambs book of life. He says that if you are back-slidden and don' repent you will NOT go to heaven, and that you WILL LOSE your salvation. He states Revelation 17:8 and Revelation 3:5 pertaining to "those blotted out" are believers, otherwise their names would not have been written in the book. Please decipher this message for me. Now, all of a sudden, I feel that I have lost the joy of my salvation and am extremely worried that sins I have committed or am going to will make me lose salvation" (Guided By Truth: Can a believer's name be blotted out of the book of life?)

My first thought was, well if you have unrepented sin in your life, maybe you should be worried, but don't wallow, just repent. If you don't than you have no reason to wonder because GOD's people are not meant to fear. I believe we can give up our inheritance of Salvation if WE so choose. No one else can snatch us away, but we can leave. But, I can't be sure. I believe that when Yahshua says "I will not lose any of HIS that HE has given me" that HE is referring to those who will remain in the Book of Life even after death. My dad and his side of the family say that they are Christians and my dad even says that he has the baptism of the holy spirit and I believe that he does, but he lies, he hates, he doesn't forgive, he bares false witness, he divides his family, and he gives way to his selfishness. I do not see GOD in him. That pretty much describes his whole side of the family. I do not believe any of them get a free pass because they were saved. It is not because I am angry at them that I believe that, it is because it would literally make no sense. It is not scriptural. The closest I came to maybe getting some understanding was this article: 4.3. Names Blotted Out Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ There being three different Books of Life would make sense as to why GOD would even make mention of blotting someones name out of the Book of Life, right? But I see no evidence of three books. They mentioned Psalms 69:28 as talking about the Book of the Living, "May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.", but that says that the righteous are in that book, too, so that's not right. Unsaved believers are no different than unsaved nonbelievers because that are both unsaved and have both been presented with the same Truth and the opportunity to be saved. I don't see three Books of Life anywhere. So, the only explanation is that, those who get erased are those who gave up their inheritance.
Noel, take a look at how you're having to fashion terms to line up with beliefs that you've formed based on your observation of others' behavior rather than on what Scripture actually says. You've even made up a term, "unsaved believers."

Thankfully, our security in Christ doesn't depend on our ability to maintain good standing with Him, but on His ability to represent us as our High Priest.

Sinning is dumb and destructive whether your a believer or not - but don't confuse earthly consequences for the believer who sins with eternal judgment.

If you are in Christ, the following is true:

Has God dealt with the sins of the world?​

Yes.

How many times did He deal with it?

Once.

Have your sins been judged?

Yes.

Where were they judged?

At the Cross.

What was the verdict?​

Guilty.

What was the punishment?​

Death.

Who took it?​

Jesus.

How much of it?​
All of it.

How much is left for you?​

None.

(Quoted from Bob George, The New Covenant Explained http://bobgeorge.net/?ddownload=1833)


So the Work of Christ has dealt with all your sins, not only yours, but the sins of the whole world (1 Jn.2).

And what about that verse in Hebrews 10 that says that if you continue in sin there is no more sacrifice for you (vs. 26)? In context, that verse, written to Hebrews who had been presented with the Gospel and were still depending on the Temple and its sacrificial system to 'cover' their sins, it is speaking of a specific sin - the sin of unbelief in Christ and His Work. If they continue in their unbelief, there is no sacrifice for that sin. The whole letter to them is telling them of the superiority of Christ's Work to the work of bulls and goats via the Law. In the Old Covenant, one had to confess and sacrifice, rinse, and repeat as necessary. Christ is able to save us completely because He always lives to intercede for us (Heb. 7, 1 Jn. 2).

For a variety of really good teaching resources that teach about and build you up in who you are in Christ, check out the following page: https://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordp...ext-resources/

Lots of good resources there which will help you to sort out who you are in Christ according to the Good News (Gospel) and what it means to walk in Grace.

Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG
 
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My view is as follows and this is a summation.....

Every man, woman and child have been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.....those who reject the saving faith of Jesus are blotted out.........that is my view.........!
 
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DesiredHaven

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Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,

whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Thats how one places puts it
 
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Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,

whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Thats how one places puts it
Exactly...they did not believe...nor would they! and yet they came into existence, lived their lives and chose not to believe all of the evidence..God is not subject to time and everything is already done in his eyes.....including who would believe and who would not! Before the foundation of the world....!
 
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skylove7

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Okeee? The verses we all can read. The feeling in them is truth and a necessity...all I am putting in :)
 
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skylove7

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When the Holy Spirit is in the heart...it is in the page.
Some use the Verse as it was vanity
Some use verse as a crutch
The true ones use verse as love
And like my best friend once said...scripture is there black and white
I beliieve the lies are in ones vain heart
Not truth
Not the bible
 
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skylove7

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When it is in the heart...it is in the verse.
 
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If there were no possibility at all of having your name blotted out of the book of Life, then the Lord would not have even of mentioned it. That proves some will have their names blotted out because they did not repent from where they had fallen back from the faith.

Revelation 3:1-6 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
 

Noel139

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I thought years ago that because Jesus says what He says in Revelation 3:5, that it meant that because He could He would blot out names, but have changed my thinking about that over the last decade. There is nowhere in scripture that teaches that people's names will be blotted out from among those who have been born again into the family of God. Once saved, one is adopted permanently into God's precious family. As the perfect Father, He will not be disinheriting those He calls sons.


Now people can shipwreck their faith, but they cannot lose their salvation. One can enter through the gates as victor or as a beaten, wounded soldier, or even as a turncoat, but if he has been forgiven and accepted as a child of the King by faith, He will be welcomed exuberantly.
Yeah, GOD'S children don't lose... Show me your reasoning in scripture and then I'll hear you out, but you must not have read my whole post because I gave a scripture where it says that people do get blotted out of the Book of Life from among the saved.
 
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Yeah, GOD'S children don't lose... Show me your reasoning in scripture and then I'll hear you out, but you must not have read my whole post because I gave a scripture where it says that people do get blotted out of the Book of Life from among the saved.
The word does not say that believers are blotted out.
 
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This subject has vexed me since I became a Christian and every avenue I have gone down to try and understand is has not helped at all. Most of the explanations I hear sound false. I don't like people using the word 'security' when they are talking about our salvation. It sounds more like 'free-pass' to me. The other thing is, why would GOD encourage us not to be lead astray so adamantly if we can't lose our salvation due to us being saved? Here is something I read from a site I looked at:
..........
if you start with a lie, and believe it , i.e. "we can't lose our salvation",

then you will continue to be vexed. (and maybe lost). no amount of Bible or whatever

can help then.

if you simply believe GOD'S WORD IS TRUE , and rely and trust on HIM, in Christ Jesus,

then HIS PROMISE is righteousness, peace and joy, along with eternal life.

like JOB, you WILL BE VEXED, sorely so, but not because of believing a lie.
 

Noel139

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If security and free pass bother you, how about Free Gift?

Romans 5:10, 15-18 (KJV)
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
But, that is talking about the Gift being made available to all mankind through the Death and Resurrection of the Messiah. It isn't answering my question. I may not get the answers I seek in this life and truth be told it isn't really for us to question someone else's Salvation. It just bothers me and I really do want to know the Truth in this matter.
 
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The Lamb's Book of Life:

Besides the Holy Scriptures, this is by far the most important book. It is a heavenly book of a list of names; And if your name is in this book, that means you have repented of your sins and accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and you are spiritually born again from above; Which shows that you are one of God's heavenly children or citizens (Which was written since the foundation of the world). Now, within this list of names, some of these children are eternal children and others are only temporary children (Meaning: Some do not endure in the faith and they reject Jesus and or they turn back to enjoy the pleasures of their old life of sin). This book is most famously called: "The Lamb's Book of Life" as mentioned in Revelation 21:27. This book is also called "the book of life of the Lamb" within Revelation 13:8 and is paralleled with a similar passage with the name "the book of life" in Revelation 17:8. The name "the book of life" for this book also appears in Revelation 3:5,Revelation 20:12, Revelation 20:15, and Philippians 4:3, too. It goes by the name of "thy book" in Exodus 32:32 and "my book" in Exodus 32:33. It may not be "the book of the living" named in Psalm 69:28 but it is definitely alluded to with the words "...written with the righteous" within the same passage, though. Being in this book would mean that your name is written in heaven (Luke 10:20) and or you are of the church of the firstborn who is written in heaven (Hebrews 12:23). Being in this book would mean he has chosen you in him before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4) and that you are the Elect according to the foreknowledge of God (1 Peter 1:2).

However, make no mistake, though; Only born again believers and babies who die will be written in "The Lamb's Book of Life." For it is strongly suggested from Revelation 13:8 and Revelation 17:8 that unbelievers are not written in the "Lamb's Book of Life" since the foundation of the world to begin with. This means that only born again believers can have their names blotted out of the book of life. Backsliding into sin for the true believer is what causes them to have their names blotted out of the Lamb's book. If they (i.e. the believing sinner) repents and renews their faith back in the Lord, then their name will reappear and be added again amongst the righteous. For a backslidden believer who falls into sin can be converted or renewed back to the faith to the saving of their soul (James 5:19, 20). Those backslidden children who choose never to come back to the Lord before they die are forever lost. They are the children of the Kingdom or the unprofitable servant that is cast into outer darkness.

Important Note: Psalm 9:5 is sometimes quoted by some that unbelievers can have their names erased or blotted out of the "book of life." However, these verse quotes are taken from Modern Translations (Such as the NKJV (New King James), the KJ21 (21st Century King James), the NIV, ESV, NASB, AMP, EXB, WEB) and not the traditionally recognized King James (KJV) which more accurately says "put out their name", instead (Psalm 9:5 KJV); Meaning: The unbeliever's names were intentionally left out or "put out" of the book to begin with.​
 

Noel139

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Noel, take a look at how you're having to fashion terms to line up with beliefs that you've formed based on your observation of others' behavior rather than on what Scripture actually says. You've even made up a term, "unsaved believers."

Thankfully, our security in Christ doesn't depend on our ability to maintain good standing with Him, but on His ability to represent us as our High Priest.

Sinning is dumb and destructive whether your a believer or not - but don't confuse earthly consequences for the believer who sins with eternal judgment.

If you are in Christ, the following is true:

Has God dealt with the sins of the world?​

Yes.

How many times did He deal with it?

Once.

Have your sins been judged?

Yes.

Where were they judged?

At the Cross.

What was the verdict?​

Guilty.

What was the punishment?​

Death.

Who took it?​

Jesus.

How much of it?​
All of it.

How much is left for you?​

None.

(Quoted from Bob George, The New Covenant Explained http://bobgeorge.net/?ddownload=1833)


So the Work of Christ has dealt with all your sins, not only yours, but the sins of the whole world (1 Jn.2).

And what about that verse in Hebrews 10 that says that if you continue in sin there is no more sacrifice for you (vs. 26)? In context, that verse, written to Hebrews who had been presented with the Gospel and were still depending on the Temple and its sacrificial system to 'cover' their sins, it is speaking of a specific sin - the sin of unbelief in Christ and His Work. If they continue in their unbelief, there is no sacrifice for that sin. The whole letter to them is telling them of the superiority of Christ's Work to the work of bulls and goats via the Law. In the Old Covenant, one had to confess and sacrifice, rinse, and repeat as necessary. Christ is able to save us completely because He always lives to intercede for us (Heb. 7, 1 Jn. 2).

For a variety of really good teaching resources that teach about and build you up in who you are in Christ, check out the following page: https://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordp...ext-resources/

Lots of good resources there which will help you to sort out who you are in Christ according to the Good News (Gospel) and what it means to walk in Grace.

Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG
That's the thing, you can interpret those particular scriptures as what I interpreted them to mean or what you interpret them to mean. That's what bugs me. I am not biased when I read the Bible. It means what it says. So what is it saying here? What about unrepented sin? What about all the times that HE says how bad it is to keep it in your life. I was going to bring up Hebrews 10:26-31, but I feel that it could also be talking about those who are not saved, but have looked upon the Truth and yet and still set it aside. Those would be the unsaved believers, by the way. They believe, but they are not saved.
 

Noel139

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My view is as follows and this is a summation.....

Every man, woman and child have been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.....those who reject the saving faith of Jesus are blotted out.........that is my view.........!
To be honest, I'm kind of leaning more towards that idea myself.