BEWARE the Lawkeepers

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eternally-gratefull

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it is sad you dont have a relationship with the Lord strong enough to be obedient to him

but you have been told you dont need it

so how is you going to pray for that when you dont think you need it?

if you would just believe it
you could pray for it
and if youprayed for it
believing you needed it
he would give it to you

hundreds of people have reall relationships with Jesus and have stopped sinning by the power in the blood of Jesus

this is the gospel
you can stop sinning now by the blood of Jesus
who saves you fROM SINNING
who CLEANSES YOUR CHARACTER

it is sad yo dont know the gospel of grace (power to do right)

1. I do have a relationship with God
2. I am obedient

You however, have a relationship with yourself and your religion. You can;t even fathom the very law you praise condemns you to eternal death!
 
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2Thewaters

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many people have found the power to be perfect in the blood of Jesus

Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.


the FORGIVEN (justified) will WALK by his faith by his blood

perfectly

sanctification is giving up every sin

a few now a few later and every day you find more to remove by JEsus blood and prayer

Lord help me overcome my temper

yes you are justified and forgiven I will help you walk with a new temper....

that is the gospel.
 
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2Thewaters

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without this christian walk
NO MAND WILL SEE GOD

there is a time when JEsus returns and he tells the goats to go there and the sheep to come here
and then he tells the goats

you never knew me
you never walked with me
you never had a perfect love relationship with me
you kept right on sinning
depart from me you workers of iniquity (lawalessness)

and he will wait

while the millions and millions of christians realize they were lied to and they seek out their teachers of lawlessness

and they all take care of them

it is terrible punishment that the teachers of lawlessness will recieve by their own flocks by their own hands
it will be well just. For they have lost their souls in unbelief


Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
 
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tpcinpvb

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God it seems to me is wanting us to comply with the law and the authority of the law, Unless it directs you to take actions that are against Gods will.
Then it time to man up as Daniel did.
The law and the rulers, God Knows what they do. he knows how you can obey the law of God while living under the law of man.
When it is time to choose light you light Shine on Gods will his word his way, let the Love of God win them over if not then you must obey God at the cost of your human body for the good of your soul.
Easy said not so easily done
That is why a discussion like this is helpful It lets you think and pray, prior to situation what you will do where God would have you draw the line
Thanks for letting me share
Tom
 
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BradC

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This is your quote...

This will be the last time I freshen you up. The least in heaven will be those who teach against the law, not those, like I, who observe the law as best they are able while they are being perfected by Yeshua in grace. Now I must say good-bye.
...and this is my response to your quote...

JaumeJ, you have a dilemma with another portion of scripture that concerns John the Baptist. You would agree that he was a righteous man that kept the law, that had a baptism of repentance and preached the kingdom of God. He was great in the sight of the Lord and was also filled with the spirit was he not (Luke 1:15)? Listen closely to what Jesus had to say concerning John the baptist in (Luke 7:28)...

28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Would you care to explain this in light of what you have said of those who are least in the kingdom?
...and you respond in this manner...


You are going to have to find a dilemma elsewhere because you are going by what a third party has said I have posted. Either read my posts and reply to them, or do not reply.
No, I am going by what you have posted in your own words which you believe to be true and I am responding to them. Read for yourself and then answer the dilemma you have with the scripture in (Luke 7:28). I think you have the wrong idea as to who those are that are least in the kingdom of God in heaven. I will add this. There was no prophet considered among men up to that time to be greater than John the baptist.
 
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2Thewaters

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if you are born again

you cant stand dirty jokes

if you are born again you can't steal something it hurts and JEsus is sad

if you are still sinning you are not born again
 
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eternally-gratefull

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if you are born again

you cant stand dirty jokes

if you are born again you can't steal something it hurts and JEsus is sad

if you are still sinning you are not born again

your still sinning. I guess your not born again.

if you think you are not sinning, Your decieved, and there is no truth in you (1 John 1: 8)
 
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2Thewaters

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if you are born again in the owrd of God

you cant yell at anyone

the false gospel says yo can yell at people and still be saved from your sins
that is a lie

for obviously you are still sinning

God says the law is the condition of salvation

you cannot be saved without a spotless record

Jesus died and his blood cleanses your past sins

but lawbreaking will not be allowed in heaven

what to do?

Abide in Jesus word by his blood and your SINNING is removed

I can testify to that

the Bible says

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.




dont tell me the lie that it cannot be done

that is from the enemy

God expects it

that is the real gospel

giving up sinning

and you cant do it unless your born again

if you are born again you CANNOT SIN

you CANT DRINK THE BEER

you CANT LIE

YOU CANT STEAL and you CANT STAND DIRTY JOKES
 
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2Thewaters

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John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

neither do I condemne thee ( I forgive thee)

go and sin no more (now go live a sanctified holy life)

that is the true gospel

REPENT (change your lousy behavior or you will perish..
promise

HOW?

pray for it

that is the only way

in the blood of JEsus pray for it until tha sin is removed from your subroutines.
 
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2Thewaters

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The inerrant word of God, Jesus, our savior, the Bible says


Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the


course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances


of the Lord blameless.


dont tell me the lie that it cannot be done


that is from the enemy


God expects repentance unto lawfulness
without which no man will see God that is called sanctification whic is removed form false chrches.


repentance by the blood of Jesus is the real gospel


giving up sinning by the blood of Jesus


i can do ALL things through christ who strengtheneth me


and you cant do it unless your born again
and give you life to God 100%


if you are born again you CANNOT SIN


you CANT DRINK THE BEER
you feel shameful


you CANT LIE, it would hurt Jesus


YOU CANT STEAL it is unthinkable


and you CANT STAND DIRTY JOKES
they become disgusting


if you dont feel this way it is because you didnt give you life 100% to JEsus


do so now I invite you
and forget the false ideas of salvation
he will give you power to be good'that is the gospel


say sorry
and he will give you the power to be good only by Jesus blood and prayer


thats itt


they left off being good only by Jesus blood and prayer
cause the enemy want you to die.
 
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2Thewaters

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you know this is right

the holy spirit now is telling you

this is the way
you know you are right
your mama taught you this when you were a little child

you now this is right

but big fat pride put into you by the devil goes
OH HE cant be right
what does HE KNOW

I AM SO SMART!
I can through out the whole old testament and all the gospels and revelation cause they dont apply
I know better

I like beer

and then

you
are going to die.

so sad
 
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BradC

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if you are born again...

you cant stand dirty jokes

You may have done alot of that before you were saved and now it is distasteful but you could fall into being sentimental with your friends who like to tell dirty jokes. It won't be long before you outgrow all that stuff concerning the foolishness of the flesh.


if you are born again you can't steal something it hurts and JEsus is sad

You could have an isolated case of taking what does not belong to you but you will come under conviction and make it right.

if you are still sinning you are not born again

If any one who is born again and has a time of living in some form of sin, even if it is the sin of unbelief concerning the promises of God, God will be very patient and longsuffering and will work His grace into your live so that you will learn to desire the things of God through the Spirit instead of the things of the world through the flesh. He will do all this without condemnation.
 
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2Thewaters

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True Gospel has been given since adam and eve by the mamas in the world

My son you sinned
sorry momma (crying
)

i love you but you msut be good!

Yes mama! (cryng)

I forgive you
now be good

i cant mama!
I know dear boy

I will help yo!
thank y0ou mama!

when you think wrong things come to me for a hug I will help you
that is the gospel friends that is the gospel you learned a s a child



the false gospel is the alcoholic mother gospel who goes to the bar and leaves the 8 year old to do what they want
"Dont burn the house down, but if you do we have incsurance!
as she heads out the door

that is the false gospel
do whatever you want cause you cant be good.

lies
lies lies

You need the YEs mama gospel!
you need to read your mama Bible she taught you
you need to read the stories she read to you
you need to repent my boy

you got it all wrong and Jesus wants to save you from sinning...

that is the gospel

that is the real gospel

the other gospel you can go to hell
 
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2Thewaters

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The True Gospel has been given since adam and eve by the mamas in the world

Mama: My son you sinned
Little boy: sorry momma (crying)
Mama: i love you but you msut be good!
Little boy: Yes mama! (cryng)
Mama: I forgive you ,now be good!
Little boy:i cant mama!
Mama: I know dear boy, but you can with mamas help
when I see you being bad I will let you know before!
Mama: I will help yo!
Little boy: thank you mama!

when you think wrong things come to me for a hug I will help you
that is the gospel friends that is the gospel you learned a s a child



The false gospel is the alcoholic mother gospel who goes to the bar and leaves the 8 year old to do what they want
"Dont burn the house down, but if you do we have insurance!
as she heads out the door

that is the false gospel, the demoniac gopel and the little children who believe this are, guaranteed, demoniac children.
"Do whatever you want cause you cant be good" is from satan.

lies
lies lies

You need the YEs mama gospel!
you need to read your mama Bible she taught you
you need to read the stories she read to you
you need to repent my boy

you got it all wrong and Jesus wants to save you from sinning...

that is the gospel

that is the real gospel

the other gospel you can go to hell
 
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[/COLOR]I do hear him.

love all people. Place the needs of everyone you come in contact with above yourself.
Never forsake the assembling together
Test all spirits to see if they are from God
Study to show myself approved, a workman who needs not be ashamed
Seek after the things of the spirit
Fruit of the spirit -
[/SIZE][SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

yep and the law is still here too. As long as there are people who are unsaved, the law will need to do its job as schoolmaster.

[/COLOR]what you do not think I am doing that? The law did its job in my life. Now I need to move on to meat, not the milk of the word. I could keep following the law law I did as a young believer, but then I would never have grown up.

The only reason I would have to refer to it is if I did not learn it in the first place. Of course then I would be in trouble. And doubt my salvation. Because the schoolmaster has not yet done its Job, because my pride got in the way

1. I could try my best., and my best would not be good enough.
2. I can't fuflill the law. even today. I would have to be sinless
3. The law can not show me how to do good. all it an do is ontinue to urse me and show me how bad I CONTINUE to fail

 

He gave alot more than ten. And the ten he gave for a purpose. To lead me to Christ, because I an't even follow these ten he gave..

You have said before quite often that being you can't follow the law perfectly you are going to toss out the entire law. There is no scripture you can follow that asks you to get rid of all law, but this is what you believe you should do about your not being able to follow perfectly.

Scripture says, instead, to be perfect. When scripture told us that there was no way to be perfect, scripture also says we aren't perfect. We are told to be perfect when God knew we could only try to be. We are told also it is only through Christ we can work toward that. You also talk about the fruit of the spirit that you are going to achieve while you discredit all scripture telling you how to live with Christ in your life.

From reading your posts I think you are doing your best to follow Christ, and it is impossible to do that without listening to the Holy Ghost within you, and the Holy Ghost is leading you to the law. You are just repeating that you won't listen to it if it is written down, and it is impossible to separate them. It has shock value for us to hear you follow Christ and you believe in discrediting any scripture with law.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You have said before quite often that being you can't follow the law perfectly you are going to toss out the entire law. There is no scripture you can follow that asks you to get rid of all law, but this is what you believe you should do about your not being able to follow perfectly.


when are you people gong to stop bearing false witness against others.

show me where I said throw the law out completely. just one quote


Scripture says, instead, to be perfect. When scripture told us that there was no way to be perfect, scripture also says we aren't perfect. We are told to be perfect when God knew we could only try to be. We are told also it is only through Christ we can work toward that. You also talk about the fruit of the spirit that you are going to achieve while you discredit all scripture telling you how to live with Christ in your life.
the word perfect means mature, or complete. if your trying to be perfect (sinless) by the law or any other means you will fail miserably.

Maybe thats your problem. you think you are perfect?


From reading your posts I think you are doing your best to follow Christ, and it is impossible to do that without listening to the Holy Ghost within you, and the Holy Ghost is leading you to the law. You are just repeating that you won't listen to it if it is written down, and it is impossible to separate them. It has shock value for us to hear you follow Christ and you believe in discrediting any scripture with law.
no the HS does not lead me to the law. Been there done that. He saved me from the law (the curse)

now he is leading me to better things. with christ in mind, and not my flesh.
 

JaumeJ

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Because of the indwelling Holy Spirit, we obey the law by our new man, our new nature, but this is no reason not to know the law, to study the law that is.

Yes, we are free of the curse of the law, death, but in no manner is anyone who believes Yeshua to teach against the least of those laws.

Now, in order to live in this grace, one must replace the teachings of the masses with just a little common sense, always referring to the Word by the Holy Spirt. The law is good. The law is holy. Do not think it is not, for sin continues until we are perfected, and this is by Yeshua.
 

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Because of the indwelling Holy Spirit, we obey the law by our new man, our new nature, but this is no reason not to know the law, to study the law that is.

Yes, we are free of the curse of the law, death, but in no manner is anyone who believes Yeshua to teach against the least of those laws.

Now, in order to live in this grace, one must replace the teachings of the masses with just a little common sense, always referring to the Word by the Holy Spirt. The law is good. The law is holy. Do not think it is not, for sin continues until we are perfected, and this is by Yeshua.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JaumeJ again.

Well said JaumeJ!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Because of the indwelling Holy Spirit, we obey the law by our new man, our new nature, but this is no reason not to know the law, to study the law that is.

Yes, we are free of the curse of the law, death, but in no manner is anyone who believes Yeshua to teach against the least of those laws.

Now, in order to live in this grace, one must replace the teachings of the masses with just a little common sense, always referring to the Word by the Holy Spirt. The law is good. The law is holy. Do not think it is not, for sin continues until we are perfected, and this is by Yeshua.
Sin continues. thus the law is not done away with, it still condemns.

But for those who still need to study it, I worry about your salvation. And your maturity in Christ. How can you say you were led to Christ when the law is still an unknown in your life?
 

JaumeJ

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Again, the curse of the law, that is punishment and death, has been nailed to the cross. Our sin is not imputed against us, as I have said many times in different words all based on the teachings of the Master. I do not worry about your salvation in regards to questioning it, for that is not my desire nor my right, but I am concerned for how you understand the plain, straightforward teachings of Yeshua. I do not study for my salvation; I study to be found approved.

Sin continues. thus the law is not done away with, it still condemns.

But for those who still need to study it, I worry about your salvation. And your maturity in Christ. How can you say you were led to Christ when the law is still an unknown in your life?