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Just to go back a few steps. Although Jesus fulfilled the Law i.e the cultus (Temple worship etc) and moral obligations imposed in the Sinai covenant and we are saved by Grace alone without 'works of the Law' (by the way, even the law was grace), Paul shows us that living by the Spirit and the Spirit in us we automatically follow the law in Spirit i.e fruit of the Spirit (This could be classed as the moral aspect (see Galatians for Pauls whole Argument)).
The law is a reflection of God's Holiness, of how He is (God's chosen people where to be as He was) and that we also once reflected fully, now partially (if saved) and again fully when glorified. Because God knew that no one could follow His decrees he gave the Isrealites the Temple rites (Sacrifice etc) to atone for sins, all this was only until the fullness of time when the Christ would be the passover Lamb, and be a blessing to all nations as promised to Abraham. aAs Hebrews says the Old Testament always points forward to God's final victory over Satan and His covenant Faithfulness to His people. The people are now those who have the same Faith as Abraham, Faith in Christ and not by works of the Law.
Anyhow sorry for the long windedness of that, basically we have been set free from the yoke of the Law and are free in Christ.
And I think the origanal intent of this blog is spot on. Too many posts start of with a sort of trickery, what I mean is, that, the poster is trying to snare people to 'boast' in his own Knowledge and worse still more often than not they have no real Knowledge of any spiritual value to impart to the fellowship of Christ.
I have just come back to cc after a break and I am shocked to see the amount of posts that border on heresy. Some just plain nonsensical.
maybe that was harsh, but, when comes to God's truth, the Truth has to be defended. I've seen more love generated between users of secular boards.
Phil
The law is a reflection of God's Holiness, of how He is (God's chosen people where to be as He was) and that we also once reflected fully, now partially (if saved) and again fully when glorified. Because God knew that no one could follow His decrees he gave the Isrealites the Temple rites (Sacrifice etc) to atone for sins, all this was only until the fullness of time when the Christ would be the passover Lamb, and be a blessing to all nations as promised to Abraham. aAs Hebrews says the Old Testament always points forward to God's final victory over Satan and His covenant Faithfulness to His people. The people are now those who have the same Faith as Abraham, Faith in Christ and not by works of the Law.
Anyhow sorry for the long windedness of that, basically we have been set free from the yoke of the Law and are free in Christ.
And I think the origanal intent of this blog is spot on. Too many posts start of with a sort of trickery, what I mean is, that, the poster is trying to snare people to 'boast' in his own Knowledge and worse still more often than not they have no real Knowledge of any spiritual value to impart to the fellowship of Christ.
I have just come back to cc after a break and I am shocked to see the amount of posts that border on heresy. Some just plain nonsensical.
maybe that was harsh, but, when comes to God's truth, the Truth has to be defended. I've seen more love generated between users of secular boards.
Phil
yeah well...welcome back to cc phil How do you keep God's commands when none are able? Ive already ansewered it above, and the one big word that sums it up is 'Love'. God's commands will always stand, thats the standard by which people will be Judged, but for the child in Christ it is the power of the Spirit within you that will bear the fruit.
the scripture ref given 'Rev 14:12 is pertaining to endurance during persecution as is alot of Rev. that even during times of harsh persecution the saints are to endure fully in God, keeping faith and obeying God, we do this in the Spirit, read any of Paul's letter's.
anyhow, it is very easy to pull verses from the Bible and fit them into your theology. and to be honest I am not sure where you are coming from, unless its a faith + works ethic? this is what Paul argues against time and time again and also the same problem the reformers saw and protested against in the Roman Church.
Kind Regards
Phil
the scripture ref given 'Rev 14:12 is pertaining to endurance during persecution as is alot of Rev. that even during times of harsh persecution the saints are to endure fully in God, keeping faith and obeying God, we do this in the Spirit, read any of Paul's letter's.
anyhow, it is very easy to pull verses from the Bible and fit them into your theology. and to be honest I am not sure where you are coming from, unless its a faith + works ethic? this is what Paul argues against time and time again and also the same problem the reformers saw and protested against in the Roman Church.
Kind Regards
Phil
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Deuteronom 6:1-7
Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Leviticus 19:15-18
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.
17Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Romans 13:1-10
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves ****ation.
3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Sorry for the long post, didn't want to pull more verses just to fit what I'm trying to say. But to love your neighbor as yourself is the fulfilling of the last six of the ten commandments. So to love God with all our heart, soul and might is the fulfilling of the first four of these commandments. And the prophesy in Revelation is happening now as it was back then. Those who do not accept the mark of the beast find it hard to buy or sell NOW as this has nothing to do with goods and services that most are taught to believe.
Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
With all respect,
Israel
Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Leviticus 19:15-18
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.
17Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Romans 13:1-10
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves ****ation.
3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Sorry for the long post, didn't want to pull more verses just to fit what I'm trying to say. But to love your neighbor as yourself is the fulfilling of the last six of the ten commandments. So to love God with all our heart, soul and might is the fulfilling of the first four of these commandments. And the prophesy in Revelation is happening now as it was back then. Those who do not accept the mark of the beast find it hard to buy or sell NOW as this has nothing to do with goods and services that most are taught to believe.
Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
With all respect,
Israel
If any want to know me they can most certainly go to my profile and view any of my posts as a generalization of the bible is ludacris. I can though sum up my understanding of the bible. The old testament gives us God's history, helps us to understand God and Gods will and the relationships people had with God and provides prophesy of the coming Christ. The new test is the account of Jesus' life, amazing miracles, death, resurrection, teaching and the instruction books from God on to how to live as Christians. Finally ending with the Revelations which warn us of things to come. Jesus is my risen Lord & Savior. I received him and in that instant received the Holy spirit this did not come from being a biblical scholar but came from the Holy Spirit. I have absolute knowledge that Jesus is NOT just a great prophet, He is God. No one comes to the father except by him. Ok, I'm not going to go on any longer because a nut shell is just to small to contain my faith in & honestly I'm a mom & my boys need me. I really do hope that you find the Lord and are not drawn into confusion about our core belief that the ONLY way to God the Father is through the Son. Not by your works or even your biblical understanding. All the best to you as you are a very intelligent person... just make sure you take some time to open your heart, not just your mind. God Bless you as you seek HIM!
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The point is that this thread was started on the premise that Jesus is the only way to the Father and that outside of christianity, all others is lost. I won't argue that in which He is the only way. I only contend with the meaning of this. Every religion breaks the commandments of God. Buddhists pray to a multi-armed statue and we ridicule them for it, then when we mention Jesus we all are guilty of picturing a white man with blond hair and blue eyes. Is this not also an image which God expressly forbided in His commandments? We've been taught from generation to generation of putting God in OUR image, in where the Bible says we were made in HIS image. I've long accepted Jesus as my personal saviour. But in securely having faith that He gave rest to my SOUL, I am learning how to also obtain rest from my WORKS. Jesus did NOT give us rest from that as explained in Hebrews the fourth chapter. We argue over Saturday or Sunday, clean and unclean meat when all this is vanity. Jesus is Lord even of the Sabbath. Is He not Lord of the other six days as well? Paul said that although he was free from all men, yet he made himself a servant to all, that he might gain the more. I eat pork as my faith in this subject is strong, but if I invite a friend over who doesn't eat any unclean meat, I will abstain from it for the love of my neighbor who is weak in faith on this subject as to not cause confusion and therefore a stumblingblock towards his salvation.
Israel, we have no disagreement then, for if a Budhist who is Budhist receives the Lord Jesus Christ he is saved!! PRAISE THE LORD for this. The Budhist will likely cling to some of his old ways just as I clinged to drinking and partying for awhile after coming to salvation. Slowly though, because the budhist has received the Lord he will become aware of a conviction that "hey, this just dont feel right no more" Cant pinpoint why... this'll be the Holy spirit at work within the Budhist. Yes, ANY AND ALL can come to Christ. But you absolutely MUST come to Christ for salvation. Our works are dirty filthy rags in the eyes of God because HE knows our innermost thoughts. Thankfully, when he looks at me, he see's my beautiful Jesus. He doesnt see me. So yes, all can come to the father but first they must receive Jesus as Lord and savior. & you need to stop forgetting the end of the passage that says "NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME" Praise the Lord for he awaits you to receive the gift of salvation & then for awhile you will cling to legalistic ways & leaning upon your own understanding & then one day EURIKA you will discover that you understand ABSOLUTELY nothing if you have not Christ and you too will want this redemption for every soul you meet & know. Again I pray spiritual blessings upon you!
Jesus is the only way. Theres way more wrong in this place than that. We can't get all mad that unbelievers come here. Hello! How are you going to be used by God to help open someones eyes. Shooting them down isn't the way. Are you even praying for these people? These people need help. We are the hands, the feet and the mouths of God on this planet. Will we be judged on the people sent here maybe by God himself to help them. And their not helped at all. Only condemed because they have been fooled by the devil. These people need help. I don't want to get to heaven and God have a list of people who went to hell because I didn't help.
I started this thread to warn those new to Christ/seekers that not all in here stating they are Christians believe that the only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ & to just be aware of this & know that in fact Christians hold Christ as the ONLY way to the Father. Thats it thats all, had no other intent in this thread.