Born again Christian

[GospelOnly]

So you see that by being born of the Spirit, you have the kingdom inside you?

No flesh born of woman shall enter the kingdom. This is true. But bodies shall inhabit the kingdom, bodies which have been redeemed in the blood of Jesus, which have been changed to be like His body. These will inherit the kingdom of heaven. But the kingdom of heaven is more than bodies, it is the souls which have been saved by Jesus, which we are.

you just said it yourself.. 'NO FLESH born of a WOMAN shall enter the KINGDOM. Yet you contradict that with saying the kingdom is inside you''

The kingdom is what it says it is.. the land promised to the fathers. its not inside anyone. that is just church nonsense talk that means nothing.

Why take a simple doctrine and make it difficult and moreso make it what it isnt.

you had it right when you said no flesh can enter the kingdom..that is scriptural..and it means nobody can be born again in this life..only being born in spirit after death can get you to that future kingdom

you should have left it there and left the rest off that isnt biblical and completely contradicts the first bit that was biblical...

why do people add their own theories to simple scripture..

 

[VW]

you just said it yourself.. 'NO FLESH born of a WOMAN shall enter the KINGDOM. Yet you contradict that with saying the kingdom is inside you''

The kingdom is what it says it is.. the land promised to the fathers. its not inside anyone. that is just church nonsense talk that means nothing.

Why take a simple doctrine and make it difficult and moreso make it what it isnt.

you had it right when you said no flesh can enter the kingdom..that is scriptural..and it means nobody can be born again in this life..only being born in spirit after death can get you to that future kingdom

you should have left it there and left the rest off that isnt biblical and completely contradicts the first bit that was biblical...

why do people add their own theories to simple scripture..

Do you have the Spirit in you? Yes or no?

The Holy Spirit is God, and He lives in me. That makes me a member of God's household. That makes me a child of God. That makes me a member of the kingdom of heaven. Strangely enough, this is scriptural.

The kingdom you are referring to is the kingdom which the nation of Israel will have for a thousand years while Christ reigns from the temple in Jerusalem. At least, that is the best I can make of your disjointed ramblings.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

You are quoting verses that show truth yet don't believe them..

NOT of corruptible seed but OF INCORRUPTIBLE seed.

People are so lost they quote verses that go against what they are trying to preach. that is the brainwashing of the churches.

you cannot be born again with corruptible seed...(flesh, dying body,human) you have to be changed to immortal spirit before you see the kingdom of god..

AS YOUR VERSE DIRECTLY SAYS..

it is you who are lost if you believe other than what these scriptures are saying..

FLESH IS FLESH CORUPTIBLE

SPIRIT IS SPIRIT INCORUPTIBLE

If you have an incorruptible body, then you won't die. tell us what it is like to be immortal? what was the judgment like that everyone else apparantly missed.. When did jesus judge, what date was that that we missed?

I can't believe so many people taunt god and flaunt with eternal death by professing they know their own judgement better than christ does and before he does. and brag about it so openly and dangerously, I find it amazing and would hate to be in the shoes of any making out they are far higher up than jesus,which is exactly what making out you are born again is doing.

Good luck in the REAL judgmement is all i can say..

Keep in mind that flesh (sarx) is distinct from the body (soma) and only once, to my knowledge, was not used in the negative sense. Body (some) is always nuetral.

 

[Consumed]

hmm didnt Jesus say to nicodemus that to enter heaven one must be born again yet the great man/teacher/theologian of the temple of his day missed the whole point by saying "how can a man enter in his mothers womb again", typical as it is today, Jesus speaks by the Spirit and people puffed up with knowledge speak the carnal sense

 

[VW]

hmm didnt Jesus say to nicodemus that to enter heaven one must be born again yet the great man/teacher/theologian of the temple of his day missed the whole point by saying "how can a man enter in his mothers womb again", typical as it is today, Jesus speaks by the Spirit and people puffed up with knowledge speak the carnal sense

Yep, and gospelonly is not even speaking from there, but actually he is saying that no one is saved at all, and that we will not find salvation until the white throne judgment.

Blessings in Him brother,
vic

 

[phil36]

you just said it yourself.. 'NO FLESH born of a WOMAN shall enter the KINGDOM. Yet you contradict that with saying the kingdom is inside you''

The kingdom is what it says it is.. the land promised to the fathers. its not inside anyone. that is just church nonsense talk that means nothing.

Why take a simple doctrine and make it difficult and moreso make it what it isnt.

you had it right when you said no flesh can enter the kingdom..that is scriptural..and it means nobody can be born again in this life..only being born in spirit after death can get you to that future kingdom

you should have left it there and left the rest off that isnt biblical and completely contradicts the first bit that was biblical...

why do people add their own theories to simple scripture..

VW is right, if you are born again, a child of God you will have the Holy Spirit residing in you, and hence you will be in the Kingdom of heaven, we belong to 2 worlds 1) The world 2) the Kingdom of God

We are in the Kingdom, Now you say the Kingdom is what was promised to your Fathers, this is not true.. The Abrahamic promise has been carried out through Christ and the land is the New Jerusalem, for all in Christ are the true children of Abraham.

The Land you talk of, is only temperal as with the Law, this is under the covenant at Sinia. this had with it cursings and blessing.. one of which included the land.. But the Hebrews failed whereas Christ accomplished. Through Christs accomplishment we are now those Spiritual Children, not by the will of man or through man, but of God.

Through the accomplishment of Christ, we the gentiles have been ingrafted to the Vine, we are brought into the vineyard, We are sons of the most High GOD, remember Israel was always called the son? now we who believe in Christ are the son's, there is neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor free but all are one in Christ

Anyhow you get the idea, but it is only through God's steadfast love.

Phil

 

[arabian_princess]

hi ammmmm since i belived in jesus as lord i wasnt even ready to call my self chrstian and still not ready becouse i was born in islamic family i alwayse call my self muslim
and i still belive meny things in the islamic way and meny people use to tell me bad things about prophet mohammed i meen yes i belive in jesus as god but i still love my prophet muhammed and the mosques so i dont think that been born again chrstian would change me alot meny people here were mean to me b4 i belive in jesus and now coz i belive in jesus as god they love me??
i am still me same prosonalty AND I MET PEOIPLE THAT LOVE ME B4 I BELIUVE AND AFTER

 

[phil36]

hi ammmmm since i belived in jesus as lord i wasnt even ready to call my self chrstian and still not ready becouse i was born in islamic family i alwayse call my self muslim
and i still belive meny things in the islamic way and meny people use to tell me bad things about prophet mohammed i meen yes i belive in jesus as god but i still love my prophet muhammed and the mosques so i dont think that been born again chrstian would change me alot meny people here were mean to me b4 i belive in jesus and now coz i belive in jesus as god they love me??
i am still me same prosonalty AND I MET PEOIPLE THAT LOVE ME B4 I BELIUVE AND AFTER

Hi arabian_princess, I dont think anyone on here disliked you before or now, I think sometimes including myself that this is a discussion thread, so we do discuss, sometimes it goes to far (myself included in this) but as a whole we are loving people in Chirst.

I can see you point, However, there will come a time when God will ask you, "who do you serve?" we all take time to let go of worldly things, but when it comes down to it, we either serve the God of the bible or something else. I can see how hard it is for people living in muslim countries especially if all their family is muslim. I don't think it is easy even for muslims in the west to convert. But if you are born again, God will bring you to a point where you will need to make that descision, of, who you are going to serve. But you know, you will have strangth from the Holy Spirit to guide you and Jesus Himself.

Love

Phil

 

[Consumed]

by accepting and confessing Jesus as Lord and savour the regeneration process has started

 

[VW]

by accepting and confessing Jesus as Lord and savour the regeneration process has started

Yes, it has begun at this point, confessing and believing on Him. But there comes a time when the Spirit will convict the heart that Jesus is alive, that He is risen from the dead, revelation knowledge from above of His resurrection. At this time, the voice of God is active in the heart of the believer. If they listen, and do not harden their hearts, they will do well.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

hi ammmmm since i belived in jesus as lord i wasnt even ready to call my self chrstian and still not ready becouse i was born in islamic family i alwayse call my self muslim
and i still belive meny things in the islamic way and meny people use to tell me bad things about prophet mohammed i meen yes i belive in jesus as god but i still love my prophet muhammed and the mosques so i dont think that been born again chrstian would change me alot meny people here were mean to me b4 i belive in jesus and now coz i belive in jesus as god they love me??
i am still me same prosonalty AND I MET PEOIPLE THAT LOVE ME B4 I BELIUVE AND AFTER

I pray that God will continue to lead you. If you have not been shown love, that is to the shame of our savior, Jesus, who loved you so much that he died on the cross and bore you sins. God Bless you

 

[Consumed]

Yes, it has begun at this point, confessing and believing on Him. But there comes a time when the Spirit will convict the heart that Jesus is alive, that He is risen from the dead, revelation knowledge from above of His resurrection. At this time, the voice of God is active in the heart of the believer. If they listen, and do not harden their hearts, they will do well.

amen vw, so true, the process is in motion and the work is continuing in us all even to this day no matter how long one has walked with the Lord, the renewing of our minds to the knowledge of Jesus Christ, we only know in part and see in part, the full picture will come when we are hel in glory with Him, our crowns he gives us, we will lay at His feet still for He is Lord of Lords, King of Kings, our Jesus

 

[GospelOnly]

Do you have the Spirit in you? Yes or no?

The Holy Spirit is God, and He lives in me. That makes me a member of God's household. That makes me a child of God. That makes me a member of the kingdom of heaven. Strangely enough, this is scriptural.

The kingdom you are referring to is the kingdom which the nation of Israel will have for a thousand years while Christ reigns from the temple in Jerusalem. At least, that is the best I can make of your disjointed ramblings.

That is what you believe is so.. But it doesn't make it so just because it is how you believe it.. If it doesnt fit scripture, it isn't so.

Many people claim they have the spirit of god and don't. I take little notice of claims that are against scripture.

 

[GospelOnly]

Wow, this is truly something, God has give you great insight, How in the world did you get all them Glory Clouds out yum House??

Anyway I'm not sure, you must see something I dont, I am going to say this.

I'm posting Scripture, What Jesus says to us, in his letter to us, "the Bible"!!

My treasures are talking with our Fathers Children of the kingdom to come!!

Please acept my interpedtation as this is how I understand it to be!!

God will make his Kingdom right here on earth, Heaven will be right here!!

But we wont see it in these Flesh Bodys,

2 Corinthians 5:6-9
Therefor we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord; (For we walk by faith not by sight WE are confident, I say and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord!!!!!

Ye must be Re-Born

Hope this Helps
"In His Service"

People just refuse to see what is clear in scripture don't they? Yet get agressive towards others if they don't believe in heaven and nonbiblical things they wish to cling to.

Keep up the good fight. You can't get to most of those who dig their heels in and persecute..but there are those on here that do ask questions privately who also don't believe the stuff they do..

And that is the reason for spreading truth.. one must filter though the persecutors and aggression on this part of a forum..to show those who come privately for answers to the truth and arnt stubborn in doing so.

 

[GospelOnly]

hmm didnt Jesus say to nicodemus that to enter heaven one must be born again yet the great man/teacher/theologian of the temple of his day missed the whole point by saying "how can a man enter in his mothers womb again", typical as it is today, Jesus speaks by the Spirit and people puffed up with knowledge speak the carnal sense

exactly true again
People who think they have it right don't get it at all.

From the evidence on those here believing in heaven going..they were as Nicodemus..and did not understand what was being said.
Nicodemus was told how flesh is flesh and the spirit only can see the kingdom of god, yet people still want to believe that they can be born again in the flesh a second time.

Even when its very clearly explained people refuse to accept one has to die and be given immortality to dwell on the kingdom of god. Amazing stubborness. and one that will be shown in the last days in judgement...

When they won't be given that (born again) immortal spirit at judgment.they will perish a second time yet this time forever..and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth..the humiliation of knowing they were told the truth in places like forums and in the street about the truth..and rejected it. I would hate to be those who reject like this..

it is good to see gods word doesnt lie though in that it says also..that MANY will not see no matter who tells them or how often. I praise my god the only true almighty for that.

 

[GospelOnly]

Yep, and gospelonly is not even speaking from there, but actually he is saying that no one is saved at all, and that we will not find salvation until the white throne judgment.

Blessings in Him brother,
vic

Lying and twisting peoples words certainly doesn't help your argument.

If you are going to quote people ..get it right and dont try and decieve those on here that really are trying to learn truth, against the false doctrines being thrown around willy nilly.

I have never said that nobody will be saved.

The bible is very clear on who will and wont be saved and when that will happen..

be mindful of who you quote and the future ramifications for such dangerous actions.

 

[GospelOnly]

hi ammmmm since i belived in jesus as lord i wasnt even ready to call my self chrstian and still not ready becouse i was born in islamic family i alwayse call my self muslim
and i still belive meny things in the islamic way and meny people use to tell me bad things about prophet mohammed i meen yes i belive in jesus as god but i still love my prophet muhammed and the mosques so i dont think that been born again chrstian would change me alot meny people here were mean to me b4 i belive in jesus and now coz i belive in jesus as god they love me??
i am still me same prosonalty AND I MET PEOIPLE THAT LOVE ME B4 I BELIUVE AND AFTER

Hi arabian princess,
I totally see where you are coming from with yoiur statement.................

meny people here were mean to me b4 i belive in jesus and now coz i belive in jesus as god they love me??

Many who claim to be christian, are hypocritical when it comes to this. If one doesn't believe as they do, they are very mean and condescending, and show their true spirit. Its a pack mentality that most churches use to bully people who believe truth to believe lies.

So are you Moslim still? (as they do not believe jesus is god, they just believe jesus is a prophet)

Moslims actually have more correct than most who claim christianity..

 

[VW]

Lying and twisting peoples words certainly doesn't help your argument.

If you are going to quote people ..get it right and dont try and decieve those on here that really are trying to learn truth, against the false doctrines being thrown around willy nilly.

I have never said that nobody will be saved.

The bible is very clear on who will and wont be saved and when that will happen..

be mindful of who you quote and the future ramifications for such dangerous actions.

You are strange.

Let me quote Jesus, and if you ever understand this, you might find life.

"I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall lie even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die."
I have live now in Jesus, by His Spirit.

 

[VW]

What you said is that no one is saved now.

 

[GospelOnly]

What you said is that no one is saved now.

I don't write the scriptures, if you don't believe them, take it up with t he author, I just happen to agree with the author unlike yourself.