wasn’t meant to be personal bro.... I simply ignore his points as he ignore God's....and in my view I don't think he qualifies to make that particular point..but that is just my view...that is like putting the fox to count your chickens....he knows all about chickens...but what he knows is not in your best interest....just saying....
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There are scientists that dont believe climate change and they are not all Republicans,your statement is generalizing.You can talk on the forum like anyone else,it just doesn't seem reasonable that you'd want to discuss what you think is a fairy tale with a bunch of Christians that are obviously insane to believe in them.So why bother? Just odd.
Secondly science doesn't belong exclusively belong to those who don't believe in God.Many of the great scientists have believed in God. Copernicus ,Sir Francis Bacon ,Johannes Kepler,Blaise Pascal,Isaac Newton to name a few.
Media magnates encroach on what is meant to be a free and unbiased media? Oh my land you had me rolling on the floor laughing with that one.I cant even believe you would seriously say that.smh.
Street preachers encroach on your personal space? Well I feel so bad for you.How about people who curse at work,in the street,on tv in magazines and in music on the radio,often playing at the mall.Who tell filthy jokes in public places and talk filth.Who mock you for your views.I think its pretty even there.
Political careerists encroach on what is meant to be fair rule uninfluenced by piles of money?? Again you had me laughing.You cant be serious.You dont expect people to believe that.
"Christians encroach on atheist sites trying to evangelize" Do they? I dont.But if they do,like you said,free country.You're here so no complaints.Its fair.
"Theologians encroach on the study of the natural world with preposterous assumptions" Christians have contributed a lot to the scientific world and to various types of study.To deny it would be foolish. Atheists dont own thought,they didnt invent science,history,archaeology etc. So therefore they are not encroaching on anything.
As far as being on the site,like I said,its odd but I for one could care less.If Christians want to share the gospel they better learn to talk to atheists and others.Good discussion is great for the mind especially with those who disagree with you.By all means talk on!
Secondly science doesn't belong exclusively belong to those who don't believe in God.Many of the great scientists have believed in God. Copernicus ,Sir Francis Bacon ,Johannes Kepler,Blaise Pascal,Isaac Newton to name a few.
Media magnates encroach on what is meant to be a free and unbiased media? Oh my land you had me rolling on the floor laughing with that one.I cant even believe you would seriously say that.smh.
Street preachers encroach on your personal space? Well I feel so bad for you.How about people who curse at work,in the street,on tv in magazines and in music on the radio,often playing at the mall.Who tell filthy jokes in public places and talk filth.Who mock you for your views.I think its pretty even there.
Political careerists encroach on what is meant to be fair rule uninfluenced by piles of money?? Again you had me laughing.You cant be serious.You dont expect people to believe that.
"Christians encroach on atheist sites trying to evangelize" Do they? I dont.But if they do,like you said,free country.You're here so no complaints.Its fair.
"Theologians encroach on the study of the natural world with preposterous assumptions" Christians have contributed a lot to the scientific world and to various types of study.To deny it would be foolish. Atheists dont own thought,they didnt invent science,history,archaeology etc. So therefore they are not encroaching on anything.
As far as being on the site,like I said,its odd but I for one could care less.If Christians want to share the gospel they better learn to talk to atheists and others.Good discussion is great for the mind especially with those who disagree with you.By all means talk on!
Please give me even one peer reviewed scientific paper from the last 50 years that even denies human instigated climate change, let alone comes close to disproving it.
Science doesn't ''belong'' to anybody, but I'm fairly certain were Pascal or Newton to see people denying what is verified scientific evidence they'd feel the same as I do about it; weary that people can be so ignorant.
That's basically what I said.
Give me an American president in the last 20 years who wasn't funded by oligarchs and banks and we can discuss further.
Just as I said. Therefore, I can be here if I like, fairly.
They have, but much of it wasn't preposterous, much of it was genuine scientific assertion and investigation. I'm speaking about those whose methods are not genuine and whose notions are preposterous.
You guys don't seem to be able to phrase this right. The saying is ''I couldn't care less'', which means ''I'm not too bothered''. If you aren't bothered though, why keep going on about it?
I will.
Science doesn't ''belong'' to anybody, but I'm fairly certain were Pascal or Newton to see people denying what is verified scientific evidence they'd feel the same as I do about it; weary that people can be so ignorant.
That's basically what I said.
Give me an American president in the last 20 years who wasn't funded by oligarchs and banks and we can discuss further.
Just as I said. Therefore, I can be here if I like, fairly.
They have, but much of it wasn't preposterous, much of it was genuine scientific assertion and investigation. I'm speaking about those whose methods are not genuine and whose notions are preposterous.
You guys don't seem to be able to phrase this right. The saying is ''I couldn't care less'', which means ''I'm not too bothered''. If you aren't bothered though, why keep going on about it?
I will.
I don't think the answer is in the Bible. The best we could find in it is God's wisdom is beyond man's. Bone cancer on children is just beyond our way of reason.
About God not creating robots hence freewill , creates new questions:
a: Who provided the choices to choose from? In the case of Adam, the choices were provided by the serpent? Now, who created the serpent. Why is the serpent "inside" paradise?
b. And when given the choices, why is our flesh created to be weak and always tends to lean toward the sinful choice?
Just a piece of my mind. Questions I know only prayers can pacify.
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Imagine you dug the oil and other minerals needed to make legos. You loving took the legos and formed lego people. You made a lego land for them to live. EVERYTHING they have YOU made and gave them. You wanted love from them but knew unless you gave them free will choice it would only be programmed, fake love. with this free will some of the lego people hated each other and YOU, others didn't even believe YOU existed, and they came to being by a massive explosion, that after eons of time reformed matter (they can't even come up with a theory as to where the matter came from) into them AND their intelligence.
YOU love them though. So much so that YOU become a lego person to save them from their hateful ways. You want them to be with you forever and only ask for their love and belief for you. But many still are hateful and refuse to accept you. Others are so grateful to you for not only creating them, but saving them from their hateful ways by becoming one of them. You can allow the hateful legos to live amongst the loving ones forever or you can melt them down and use their oil for some other purpose. What will you do with the legos who refused to accept you and your sacrifice?
The major difference in this analogy is that God is more infinitely above us as you would be above a created lego.
YOU love them though. So much so that YOU become a lego person to save them from their hateful ways. You want them to be with you forever and only ask for their love and belief for you. But many still are hateful and refuse to accept you. Others are so grateful to you for not only creating them, but saving them from their hateful ways by becoming one of them. You can allow the hateful legos to live amongst the loving ones forever or you can melt them down and use their oil for some other purpose. What will you do with the legos who refused to accept you and your sacrifice?
The major difference in this analogy is that God is more infinitely above us as you would be above a created lego.
The difference is, god knew in advance exactly what would happen.
If I created lego people, and knew in advance exactly how they were going to behave, then its MY fault for their behaviour. I knew they would do this and that.. And I still went ahead and made them... I certainly wouldn't send them to eternal torture when they acted exactly how I knew they would when I made them.
If I created lego people, and knew in advance exactly how they were going to behave, then its MY fault for their behaviour. I knew they would do this and that.. And I still went ahead and made them... I certainly wouldn't send them to eternal torture when they acted exactly how I knew they would when I made them.
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Well Human I had some real snappy come backs to what you said.I wrote them out twice and lost them,twice.So I think God is telling me to shut my trap.I couldnt/could care less if you are here{one expression is British one American}By that I mean to say its fun talking and debating with you so keep it up.Christians need a challenge to their faith,makes us look deeper for the answer. Have a great day.
