Cain and Abel

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so hasatan in the garden wasn't a false teacher - he taught eve the truth ? (i don't think so)
Your mouthy remarks are about to get old...the context was between Cain and Able, SATAN was a given....you really should grow up....!
 
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did they both have faith ?

did abel have faith ? (not rhetorical, here, btw) how was abel's faith different (better?) than cains ?

did cain have faith ? (if cain did not, does it say WHY cain brought an offering ?)
This was already answered in the OP and a couple other posts here. Abel's faith was in the Lord's perfect love and care for him. Trusting in the Lord for his Salvation. Cain's faith was in his own righteous ability to do good and be good, based on all his hard work, and feeling that he, therefore, deserved acceptance from God.
 
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Excellent opening post. Also, God was a lover of meat when it came to sacrifices. Veggies just didn't cut it!
You're right about that. That's also one of the reasons God accepted Abel's sacrifice over Cain's. The sacrificial lamb was representative of the blood sacrifice that is needed for the forgiveness and remission of sins.

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

The law required the children of Israel to sacrifice calves and goats for the sins of the people. This they had to do every year because these kind of blood sacrifices could never permanently wash away sins.

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[SUP]2[/SUP] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[SUP]3[/SUP] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

But then God sent Jesus who offered up himself as the final blood sacrifice for the remission of sins so that if we receive Him and His atonement for our sins then our sins are forgiven forever. It's not necessary to come back repeatedly year after year to receive another remission of our sins.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[SUP]12[/SUP] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[SUP]13[/SUP] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[SUP]14[/SUP] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Abel's sacrificial lamb was a foreshadowing of the final blood sacrifice that Jesus made for us.
 
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Agrees with dcontroversal and would also like to add Cain offered GOD a sacrifice from the ground which GOD had cursed, and Abel offered a Sacrifice of his first flock of sheep.

Blessings!!!!!!!
 

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And the "heart only" thought process still doesn't take into account that Cain knew his sacrifice wasn't what God wanted...

It was definitely the sacrifice. If it was the heart only, why would God say why has your countenance fallen, if you do right will you not be accepted?

I think Cain knew it. God obviously spoke to them, He spoke directly to Cain. In the midst of Cain's sin no less. So yes God is not scared of our sin, it is us who hide from God. We see this in Adam & Eve's reaction.

Cain knew what he was doing was wrong. He probably knew the first sacrifice which was the animal that gave up it's skins to clothe Adam & Eve. And Cain decided he was going to give God what he thought God should want. His works. His effort. His best. Instead of God's. And God warned Cain and reasoned with him. But Cain ended up killing his brother.

He hated him in his heart. And without God's grace he flew off the rails.

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Cains offering was not of faith and GOD looks at the heart and is a discerner of the thoughts and intentions.