Cains flippant answer. Maybe not so flippant after all

[granpa]

Genesis 4:9 (YLT)

And Jehovah saith unto Cain, `Where [is] Abel thy brother?'
and he saith, `I have not known; my brother's keeper -- I?'

it is usually assumed that Cain is giving a flippant answer to God's question. Taken literally that is indeed what it means.
But what if it isn't such a flippant answer after all. What if Cain is actually answering gods question but doing it in such a way that he doesn't appear to be giving the secret away? what if the answer is hidden in the words that Cain said?

לֹ֣א
יָדַ֔עְתִּי
הֲשֹׁמֵ֥ר
אָחִ֖י
אָנֹֽכִי

not
i know
the keeper
my brother
i am

the key word here seems to be keeper
שֹׁמֵ֥ר

Hebrew Lexicon :: H8104 (KJV)

 

[dcontroversal]

Cain knew exactly where Abel was, and was feeding God a line of crap....Cain had killed him and buried him, so what is your point exactly?

 

[VioletReigns]

Αλλά ανόητοι και αμαθείς ερωτήσεις αποφεύγουν, γνωρίζοντας ότι κάνουν διαμάχες των δύο φύλων.

 

[Tintin]

Cain knew exactly where Abel was, and was feeding God a line of crap....Cain had killed him and buried him, so what is your point exactly?

Exactly! Cain was scared of his holy God. He didn't want to be found out for his crime, the first murder in human history. That's a big deal, taking the life of another! Especially your brother, one whom you're meant to protect. He's basically saying to God what a child says to their parent when they've been found out, "What? What are you talking about? I'm not responsible for what happened. I didn't even do anything!"

 

[dcontroversal]

Αλλά ανόητοι και αμαθείς ερωτήσεις αποφεύγουν, γνωρίζοντας ότι κάνουν διαμάχες των δύο φύλων.

I agree and there seems to be many foolish questions that cause strife and contention!

 

[granpa]

which translates to:
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strife

yes we wouldn't want to study God's word and learn what God is telling us.

 

[dcontroversal]

Exactly! Cain was scared of his holy God. He didn't want to be found out for his crime, the first murder in human history. That's a big deal, taking the life of another! Especially your brother, one whom you're meant to protect. He's basically saying to God what a child says to their parent when they've been found out, "What? What are you talking about? I'm not responsible for what happened. I didn't even do anything!"

No doubt and I agree for sure.......!

 

[VioletReigns]

On the contrary, Jesus doesn't speak to me in riddles. He speaks plainly. His sheep hear His voice.

 

[Tintin]

Αλλά ανόητοι και αμαθείς ερωτήσεις αποφεύγουν, γνωρίζοντας ότι κάνουν διαμάχες των δύο φύλων.

Can you spare any Koine? It's all Greek to me!

 

[granpa]

On the contrary, Jesus doesn't speak to me in riddles. He speaks plainly. His sheep hear His voice.

And the disciples having come near, said to him, `Wherefore in similes dost thou speak to them?'
11 And he answering said to them that -- `To you it hath been given to know the secrets of the reign of the heavens, and to these it hath not been given,
12 for whoever hath, it shall be given to him, and he shall have overabundance, and whoever hath not, even that which he hath shall be taken from him.
13 `Because of this, in similes do I speak to them, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor understand,
14 and fulfilled on them is the prophecy of Isaiah, that saith, With hearing ye shall hear, and ye shall not understand, and seeing ye shall see, and ye shall not perceive,
15 for made gross was the heart of this people, and with the ears they heard heavily, and their eyes they did close, lest they might see with the eyes, and with the ears might hear, and with the heart understand, and turn back, and I might heal them.
16 `And happy are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear,
17 for verily I say to you, that many prophets and righteous men did desire to see that which ye look on, and they did not see, and to hear that which ye hear, and they did not hear.

 

[VioletReigns]

Hey granpa, thank you for at least responding to me. You didn't respond to my comments on your other threads and I honestly thought you blocked me. I appreciate that you're including me now.

 

[VioletReigns]

Awesome! I KNEW you were gonna bring parables up. And that was before Jesus was crucified and resurrected. I'm crucified with Him and resurrected in my heart. There's no need for Him to speak in parables to His own vessel of honor. Remember, He said He must ascend so His Holy Spirit can live in us.

 

[4enlightment]

Genesis 4:9 (YLT)

And Jehovah saith unto Cain, `Where [is] Abel thy brother?'
and he saith, `I have not known; my brother's keeper -- I?'

it is usually assumed that Cain is giving a flippant answer to God's question. Taken literally that is indeed what it means.
But what if it isn't such a flippant answer after all. What if Cain is actually answering gods question but doing it in such a way that he doesn't appear to be giving the secret away? what if the answer is hidden in the words that Cain said?

לֹ֣א
יָדַ֔עְתִּי
הֲשֹׁמֵ֥ר
אָחִ֖י
אָנֹֽכִי

not
i know
the keeper
my brother
i am

the key word here seems to be keeper
שֹׁמֵ֥ר

Hebrew Lexicon :: H8104 (KJV)

So are you saying that Cain was referring to a spirit that watches over Abel? The only thing is that God was showing what will happen if we are not in His presence or if His spirit is not with us.

Psalm 51:11 Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.

 

[OnThisRock]

So are you saying that Cain was referring to a spirit that watches over Abel? The only thing is that God was showing what will happen if we are not in His presence or if His spirit is not with us.

Psalm 51:11 Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.

Was Cain older than Abel? this would make sense. they were not suppose to watch over their brother?

 

[granpa]

the key word here seems to be keeper
שֹׁמֵ֥ר

Hebrew Lexicon :: H8104 (KJV)

Sumer? Samaria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaria

 

[4enlightment]

Was Cain older than Abel? this would make sense. they were not suppose to watch over their brother?

Genesis 4 Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.

But Abel was the the first-fruit that had over came the evil that was born in him.

Genesis 25:23 The Lord said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger.”

Matthew 20:16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

And which Jesus has came after Abel, but He is the First of all Fruits.

Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

 

[Zmouth]

Cain knew exactly where Abel was, and was feeding God a line of crap....Cain had killed him and buried him, so what is your point exactly?

How do you know with absolute certainty, where was Adam? which according to Christians already had a sin record.

Who was the witness that saw Cain slay Able?

If God says life shall go for life, why did God violate his own rule?

 

[4enlightment]

How do you know with absolute certainty, where was Adam? which according to Christians already had a sin record.

Who was the witness that saw Cain slay Able?

If God says life shall go for life, why did God violate his own rule?

The life is in the blood, and the blood was crying.....

 

[Zmouth]

The life is in the blood, and the blood was crying.....

So the blood can produce sound? I thought the gift of tongues or rather the ability to speak was the gift of the Spirit to the spirit in man? Christian theology contradicts that saying the ability to speak has nothing to do with the gift of God. So why did blood cry?

 

[4enlightment]

Genesis 4:9 (YLT)

And Jehovah saith unto Cain, `Where [is] Abel thy brother?'
and he saith, `I have not known; my brother's keeper -- I?'

it is usually assumed that Cain is giving a flippant answer to God's question. Taken literally that is indeed what it means.
But what if it isn't such a flippant answer after all. What if Cain is actually answering gods question but doing it in such a way that he doesn't appear to be giving the secret away? what if the answer is hidden in the words that Cain said?

לֹ֣א
יָדַ֔עְתִּי
הֲשֹׁמֵ֥ר
אָחִ֖י
אָנֹֽכִי

not
i know
the keeper
my brother
i am

the key word here seems to be keeper
שֹׁמֵ֥ר

Hebrew Lexicon :: H8104 (KJV)

2 Samuel 10:3 And the princes of the children of Ammon said unto Hanun their lord, Thinkest thou that David doth honour thy father, that he hath sent comforters unto thee? hath not David rather sent his servants unto thee, to search the city, and to spy it out, and to overthrow it?

John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Psalm 69:20 Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.

Genesis 2:18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.

At first woman were considered as the comforters, and so the only one that Cain could of have been referring to is his wife.