Calling all elders that has FAITH.

Cobus · May 21, 2013

Ok we are CC. So what are we? Are we a bunch of lost souls CLAIMING to be Christians, or ARE we Christians and FAITHFUL…

Here is my problem… The best person I know is an English speaking house removator here in George. He goes to several churches, and he is well known throughout this town, as a GOOD MAN. He can play excelent golf and his handicap is never higher thatn a two. He is 58 years old and has a very gentle spirit.

In the whole town’s books Neil is a pretty “good Christian”. I love the man, and I really enjoy his honesty…

So here goes, let us here on CC solve this with GOD’S WORD, not our own interpretation there-of. This man all of a sudden has a growth on his knee that is very painful. Apperently the bone growed to make up for damaged cartledge.
Hey if God can raise the dead, how easy is it to heal a knee? So now Neil prayed for God to heal the knee. This did not happen, and now he is going for an operation, so now He ask God to bless the surgeon and the knife…. WHY? If God did not hear him for the healing, why would God hear him for the operation to be a success? I mean the othr friend of ours had the operation, and HE IS IN HELL. Infections, rejections and the knee is worse than before… So what do we do now?

This is my problem with the churches… The elders are USELESS! They do not have FAITH! I see God says if the elders pray with FAITH, God WILL heal the sick, and he will even clean the SHEET!!!

Where are these churches that has elders of this caliber?
James 5:14 and 15. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: ….And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

In my simple opinion I believe the FAITH is the issue here. The prayer is done, but the saving was not done. The lord DID NOT RAISE HIM UP. Oh they also did not annoint with oil!

PilgrimUK · May 21, 2013

You are assuming that it is a lack of faith that has left him like this.

Didn't Job suffer, yet never knew why?
Didn't Paul have a thorn that God wouldn't take away?

You assume that Good living is rewarded with a life of luxury from God. It isn't.
Good living is likely to result in trials, temptations and persecution...be worried if it doesn't.
No one can take the smooth yet not want to carry burdens.

As for your other point, I agree, a lack of faith could potentially lead to a person not being healed...but it isn't guaranteed to be the reason as pointed out above.

loveme1 · May 21, 2013

GODS ways are not our ways.

Consider that if this man had of received healing you would not of had to write this post?

Glory to the Almighty God and Yahshua the Messiah in all things.

zone · May 21, 2013

Cobus said:

Ok we are CC. So what are we? Are we a bunch of lost souls CLAIMING to be Christians, or ARE we Christians and FAITHFUL…

Here is my problem… The best person I know is an English speaking house removator here in George. He goes to several churches, and he is well known throughout this town, as a GOOD MAN. He can play excelent golf and his handicap is never higher thatn a two. He is 58 years old and has a very gentle spirit.

In the whole town’s books Neil is a pretty “good Christian”. I love the man, and I really enjoy his honesty…

So here goes, let us here on CC solve this with GOD’S WORD, not our own interpretation there-of. This man all of a sudden has a growth on his knee that is very painful. Apperently the bone growed to make up for damaged cartledge.
Hey if God can raise the dead, how easy is it to heal a knee? So now Neil prayed for God to heal the knee. This did not happen, and now he is going for an operation, so now He ask God to bless the surgeon and the knife…. WHY? If God did not hear him for the healing, why would God hear him for the operation to be a success? I mean the othr friend of ours had the operation, and HE IS IN HELL. Infections, rejections and the knee is worse than before… So what do we do now?

This is my problem with the churches… The elders are USELESS! They do not have FAITH! I see God says if the elders pray with FAITH, God WILL heal the sick, and he will even clean the SHEET!!!

Where are these churches that has elders of this caliber?
James 5:14 and 15. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: ….And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

In my simple opinion I believe the FAITH is the issue here. The prayer is done, but the saving was not done. The lord DID NOT RAISE HIM UP. Oh they also did not annoint with oil!

Cobus, why don't you find a religion you can agree with ON ANY LEVEL.
Christianity doesn't seem to be working out for you.
you don't believe Christ died for THE FORGIVENESS of your sins, you think they have to be burned out of you somehow.
you think being sealed by the Spirit means the saved person goes POOF and Jesus moves in.
you don't like churches, pastors or any assembly.

like seriously....you've said you are NOT saved and are a child of satan

just have FAITH and be baptized and get to church, man.
come on!

homwardbound · May 21, 2013

Cobus said:

Faith is not Faith with any doubt consider the woman
[h=3]Matthew 9:20-22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]And suddenly, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came from behind and touched the hem of His garment. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]But Jesus turned around, and when He saw her He said, “Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And the woman was made well from that hour.
It is by belief that God shows the one that God chooses to have Mercy on as well. I really do not think God will ever let anyone into his kingdom with wrong Motive(s) in knowing him, no those that are not in him do a good job of faking it, yes and we are not called to be alive in our flesh rather alive in the Spirit of God.
the flesh fights the Spirit of God and visa versa, The flesh fights carnally and the Spirit of God fights truthfully and no physical weapons, JUST LOVE GOD'S way of
Walk in My Love. That walk becomes a glad conquering and triumphant march 1 cor 13:4-13 if one can't do this type of love then that one needs to go to God want to change beg for Mercy and if God willing and that person sincere then God will show that person and give them thisd type of love
Thanks Cobus, maybe take your eyes off others and put them on the almighty God Christ. Another way is to say how can one discover new oceans unless he takes his eyes off the shore?

justamazed · May 21, 2013

The problem is what I elaborated on in the thread about praying. If we want God to hear those type of prayers, then it shouldn't be anybody homeless or starving in the world.

Cobus · May 21, 2013

PilgrimUK said:

Job did know why AFTER HE ABHORED all the tings he said and wrote... Job 42... And God spoke to Job about all that was said... And then God said to the other two... Etc. point is Job did find out that he was once saing things he did not understand, but then HE SAW GOD and abhored all he said... KNOWING THEN what is what...

Paul's thorn in the flesh was EXACTLY this one I have now... PAul said... and remember how many people he did heal, even his cloak, but his was his thorn...2 Tim 4:13 ... the cloak that I left at Troas.... bring with thee...
And 2 Tim 4:20... Trophimus have I left at Miletum, sick...

Oh God does give a SMOOTH way... And there is NOTHING wrong haveing your knee-cap BUSTED by a bat, swung by the evil priests or pastors... That is what Jesus, Paul and the others experienced.. That persecution and even death is an honor.. But just a bad knee.... Did Jesus not say He carried all our sicknesses and misformed on the cross.

There is not one verse that says sickness cannot be healed. Or dead awakened... but if we had faith the size of a mustard seed... WOW! Did Jesus not say EVERY one that believeth in Him wll do greater works? Did He lie? NOPE!

Cobus · May 21, 2013

loveme1 said:

My dear sister, is that not our problem, Should our ways not be GOD'S WAY! Jesus said HE IS THE WAY... That is exactly what I try to convey... Our Ways should be SMOOTHED OUT ... God says acknowledge God in all your ways, and HE shall direct thy paths.... I really try to do that... Acknowledge God in all my ways... Imagine God direct my paths... I will have no more worries.

hattiebod · May 21, 2013

I think we have to be very careful when we write such things....many people who have a strong faith in Christ, die, in our earthly opinion early. We live in a fallen world. My father was a wonderful man of God who went home to be with the Lord, after his fight against cancer. He was not in any way lacking. His faith to the end was firm and sure, he was a comfort to his family and a witness to those who knew him, and many who did not. Then my mother was killed in a car crash, 2 months later....these tradgedys were not because they did not believe enough, live right or love God enough, it was simply because we live in a fallen world. To suggest other wise is very hurtful to those who do believe in Christ and damaging to those who seek Him. It is not due to anything we have done or can do....its all done by Christ but we are not promised reserection bodies or perfection, untill we go home to be with Him. God Bless you. <><

Cobus · May 21, 2013

zone said:

Oh my dear Zone, I did find a religion I LOVE and I AGREE 100% with on ALL LEVELS! God's Gospel in the Bible....

I believe Jesus died for the forgiveness of my sin, if I did not I would not be here. But I also believe the rest of the Gospel. I believe if HE DESTROYS THE WORKS OF SATAN FOR ME, I WILL NOT SIN ANY LONGER... 1 John 3. AND HE DID! All I need is HIM IN ME and ME IN HIM. DID NOT HAPPEN YET!
I believe EVERY person Jesus forgave, he also sanctified, OUT OF SIN and INTO HIM. He also GLORIFIED THEM TO BE IN HIM AND HIM IN THEM. John 17. Actually Jesus DESTROY the sin I used to commit, and then HE delivers me from sin and then HE LIVES IN ME A HOLY PERFECT LIFE, AS ONLY HE CAN! Did not happen yet for me!

(Sealed by the Spirit) I believe what the Word says about a person that is now IN CHRIST... IN HIM IS NO SIN! The Spirit seals us IN CHRIST WITHOUT SIN, IN HIM IS NO SIN... How can a person sealed in Christ where there is no sin still sin? IMPOSSIBLE.

And about the POOF... Would you say this is the POOF... For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Now my life is IN GOD, and IN HIM IS NO SIN... If my life still had sin in the life, then I would have made GOD UNPURE.. Impossible.

Or is this the POOF... Ezekiel. 26... And I will take AWAY the stony heart... and PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU... WHERE DOES MY spirit go IF GOD PUTS HIS IN ME?

I do not like FALSE pastors, FALSE churches, and False people assemble. I LOVE pastors appointed by God for the perfecting of the saints... Eph4:11. And I LOVE the CHURCH of God.. the one without spot or wrinkle... The one where Jesus is the head. And they assemble here...

Zone here is MY CHURCH.....
Hebrews 12:22 to 25....
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

I did not say I am a child of Satan, GOD DID! 1 John 3:8.

Zone I think my BAPTISM is not far off... but I doubt we have the same one in mind.... I will not allow a sinner to baptize me... There is a better BAPTIZER than a man.... The seal comes with the BAPTISM... I might get this GIFT with the BAPTISM ... To another FAITH... then your wish and mine are fulfilled my dear friend. And God's WILL also fulfilled in my life...
1 Cor 12... Faith his one of the nine gifts... But this faith is ABSOLUTE.

homwardbound · May 22, 2013

Cobus said:

Could the problem be the "I" Cobus
[h=3]Romans 7:14-25[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Do you see the solution who it is that does the turn around from every time I wish to do good I find myself doing evil? And then who would get all the glory, even having a thorn in ones side would only be a reminder of our need for Christ, My weaskness of my flesh that makes God's strength perfect. Just some food for thoughYou know Paul wanted to be completely perfect also and never sin again, but as shown in 2Cor 12:7 - on that God's grace is sufficient for us as Paul said.
If you or I never sinned agian at all, then what need would we have for Christ, and I am not promoting one to sin, I am promoting one not to!!!!!!!!!!!! by not getting proud and or boastful, or dogmatic, just humble.
Now everytime anyone of us leave humility a messenger of Satan comes along to buffet us, to keep us humble so we can understand what Paul is saying
2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
Hoping and praying for your understanding of this

homwardbound · May 22, 2013

hattiebod said:

Thanks hattiebod, been there as well sister, brother, dad, mom started for me at 14 years old, no matter what I am still holding on, and today I am a wreck in the body nad it is not good there,but it is well for my Soul, the body that is torn up is doing its best to get to me presently. So
Romans 8:23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
And that will be whenI fianally physically die along with all the rest that believe Sister, so we are still here for a reason to show the Christ
Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Stand firm, we will get there as well as be here, and have our being
Acts 17:28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Romans 5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: All in god's LOVE towards you while we still have adversities John 16:33

Blain · May 22, 2013

cobus, I can see you really care for this person. But If God doesn't heal his knee we cannot assume it's because of lack of faith. Sometimes God allows us to go through things regardless if we pray for them to disappear. Like our storms in life sometimes God redeems us from our struggles and sometimes God redeems us through our struggles.

I have prayed for my diebetes to be healed many time and it never went away, do i believe it's because of lack of faith? No, i believe he is cooking something up and is going to use all my health issues for his divine purpose

hattiebod · May 22, 2013

Blain said:

Yes Blain, well said and I would add that we have faith always, that our healing can and will come. That is our blessed hope. All is in His timing and all can be such a powerful witness to the faith and hope we have in Christ. God Bless you, <><

homwardbound · May 23, 2013

Blain said:

Yes Blain Yes, we will have trouble
John 16:33
“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world

homwardbound · May 23, 2013

hattiebod said:

And as the Paul said in the word
Romans 8:23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
Today we just learn to live by the Spirit only forsaking our unredeemed bodies for now, doing the best we can. And this is not easy especially when our bodies are broken down

oOfallen_angelOo · May 23, 2013

PilgrimUK said:

Actually this is an AMAZING response; In our eyes, this man may seem so good and what not, but God knows his heart and knows his faith; the tribulations we face are often a testament to our faith. People will suddenly grumble against God when they suffer, yet praise God when they are happy? The fact that he went with the flow and endures his pain with respects to God, is a testament of the guy's faith. Don't focus on the physical things; even demons and false prophets do miracles such as physically healing people and blessing them with luxuries in life. Our home is not this wretched earth; so it does not matter how much we suffer here. The goal of our faith is salvation; which is returning back to heaven where we really belong. The fact that you are grumbling against others because of this, exposes a reality of your own sinful nature. Perhaps this too, was God's intent? So that you may realize more about your spiritual self...

Graybeard · May 23, 2013

Cobus said:

Ok we are CC. So what are we? Are we a bunch of lost souls CLAIMING to be Christians, or ARE we Christians and FAITHFUL…

Here is my problem… The best person I know is an English speaking house removator here in George. He goes to several churches, and he is well known throughout this town, as a GOOD MAN. He can play excelent golf and his handicap is never higher thatn a two. He is 58 years old and has a very gentle spirit.

In the whole town’s books Neil is a pretty “good Christian”. I love the man, and I really enjoy his honesty…

So here goes, let us here on CC solve this with GOD’S WORD, not our own interpretation there-of. This man all of a sudden has a growth on his knee that is very painful. Apperently the bone growed to make up for damaged cartledge.
Hey if God can raise the dead, how easy is it to heal a knee? So now Neil prayed for God to heal the knee. This did not happen, and now he is going for an operation, so now He ask God to bless the surgeon and the knife…. WHY? If God did not hear him for the healing, why would God hear him for the operation to be a success? I mean the othr friend of ours had the operation, and HE IS IN HELL. Infections, rejections and the knee is worse than before… So what do we do now?

This is my problem with the churches… The elders are USELESS! They do not have FAITH! I see God says if the elders pray with FAITH, God WILL heal the sick, and he will even clean the SHEET!!!

Where are these churches that has elders of this caliber?
James 5:14 and 15. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: ….And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

In my simple opinion I believe the FAITH is the issue here. The prayer is done, but the saving was not done. The lord DID NOT RAISE HIM UP. Oh they also did not annoint with oil!

Cobus....if you think of CC as being a church then you're in trouble my man.
Hey....Job was a good man, look what he went through!

Powemm · May 23, 2013

James 1:3
because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.
Luke 8:13
Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

Ezekiel 21:13
“‘Testing will surely come. And what if even the scepter, which the sword despises, does not continue? declares the Sovereign Lord.’

prodigal · May 23, 2013

god's ultimate goal is for us to be saved and enter into heaven. Restrictions put on us here on earth for this temporary time often keep us close to god. What a testimony we have that in our suffering we hold onto our faith and have peace of spirit and joy of heart. Most in the new testament did suffer one way or another. Now if God decides to heal someone to bring glory to his kingdom he will do so.But that is his decision. I used to pray for financial wealth and justify how that would benefit his kingdom, all the good i would do. But now i realize that God knows me better than i know myself. I have never been so close to god as i am now, he knew how to get me to this place. So i thank him for not answering that prayer.
First seek ye the kingdom of God and all these things will be given unto you. You see when we have our head in the kingdom, our view of what we need changes.. God Bless

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