Calvinism and Tulip theology

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notmyown

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Can you define reformed theology?

I have talked to many members who say they are "reformed" but differ in certain topics. So I was wondering what defines a person's position as reformed?

One person told me that they believe that God elects people to heaven but not to hell. The people's actions do that. God just choses not to save some, which is not the same as arbitrarily created people with the express purpose of condemning them to hell.
hey, how've you been? :)

there are some good resources on the 'net, and also a reformed theologian wrote a book called "What is Reformed Theology". (catchy title, right? lol)

his website is ligonier dot org.

sorry, everyone, i have a bad habit of starting at the end of a thread. :eek:
 

notmyown

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Psychomom!!! Sending love hugs over the web.

Been good. You?
found out recently we have another grandbaby coming.

i'll leave you to draw your own conclusions. :D
 
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Ariel82

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Lol exciting news!
 

notmyown

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Lol exciting news!
you know those mom days when you wonder if you're doing anything right and you're just so tired??

hang in there. grandchildren! all the fun with very little of the being vomited on. haha

oh, wait, i just remembered you go camping. you're tough. camping for me is a three star hotel. :rolleyes:
 
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Ariel82

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Found this article helpful:

https://www.challies.com/articles/what-it-means-to-be-reformed


To confess the consensus of the five first centuries of the church:
Classic theism: One omnipotent, benevolent God, distinct from creation.
Nicene and Chalcedonian Trinitarianism: one God in three eternally existent persons, equal in power and glory.
Christ, the God-Man, the one mediator between God & the human race, incarnate, crucified, resurrected, ascended, & coming again.
Humanity created in the image of God, yet tragically fallen & profoundly in need of restoration to God through Christ.
The Visible Church: the community of the redeemed, indwelt by the Holy Spirit; the mystical body of Christ on earth.
The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church.
The Sacraments: visible signs and seals of the grace of God, ministering Christ’s love to us in our deep need.
The Christian life: characterized by the prime theological virtues of faith, hope, and love.

.....
To confess the four solas:
The authority of Scripture: sola scriptura (Scripture alone)
the basis of salvation: Sola Gratia (Grace alone)
the means of salvation: Sola Fide (Faith alone)
the merit of salvation: Solus Christus (Christ alone)
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Finally: in everything, Soli Deo Gloria – to God alone be the glory in all things.
 

Sac49

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Can you define reformed theology?

I have talked to many members who say they are "reformed" but differ in certain topics. So I was wondering what defines a person's position as reformed?

One person told me that they believe that God elects people to heaven but not to hell. The people's actions do that. God just choses not to save some, which is not the same as arbitrarily created people with the express purpose of condemning them to hell.
The best way i can define reformed theology is by whats called the five solas. Thos is not a full extensive definition but more of how i myself would explain what reformed theology is.

Sola Scriptura "Scripture alone" the Bible alone is our highest authority on faith, doctrine and practice.

Sola Fide "Faith alone" we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ alone.

Sola Gratia "Grace alone" we are saved by the grace of God.

Sola Christus "Christ alone" Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior and King.

Sola deo gloria "to the glory of God alone" we live for the glory of God.

We are saved solely through faith in Jesus Christ because of Gods grace and Christs merits alone.

One thing i have found in reformed theology is that doctrine is defined by Scripture alone that is proofed by Scripture alone. I am not one to take things at "face value" so i have studied as best i can relying upon the Holy Spirot for understanding. Not everyone would agree with me, obviously, but i find reformed theology very Biblical.

The "TULIP" is part of reformed theology but reformed theology is not defined by the "TULIP".

The Sovereignty of God is very important in reformed theology. God is the highest and only authority in creation and happenings in this world. Nothing happens without it "being allowed" by God. Nothing is out of Gods control. We do not know why God allows certain things to happen except that it is all for His glory. Though we do not fully understand, we trust and have faith in Him that He is in control. This is not a "blind faith" but one that grows as we are being sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

As i stated in a previous post, "Jesus first" would be my statement of faith and a pretty good way of defining reformed theology.
 
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Ariel82

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Haha, my post posted before yours...

Lol just kidding. Found it amazing that the posts are so similar and we posted nearly at the same time.
 

Sac49

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hey, how've you been? :)

there are some good resources on the 'net, and also a reformed theologian wrote a book called "What is Reformed Theology". (catchy title, right? lol)

his website is ligonier dot org.

sorry, everyone, i have a bad habit of starting at the end of a thread. :eek:
Oh you mean the book by R. C. Sproul founder of Ligonier ministries? :) yeah i also get tabletalk magazine each month. This month the main subject are the beatitudes.
 

Sac49

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Haha, my post posted before yours...

Lol just kidding. Found it amazing that the posts are so similar and we posted nearly at the same time.
Haha i would have won but i type slow and have to keep correcting my typos lol
 
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Ariel82

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Yeah I just cut and pasted...
 

notmyown

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Oh you mean the book by R. C. Sproul founder of Ligonier ministries? :) yeah i also get tabletalk magazine each month. This month the main subject are the beatitudes.
yeah, that guy! lol

we get Tabletalk, too. i haven't had a chance to look at it and now i'm excited. :)

are you well, brother? last i heard you had been in an accident? a-g posted a prayer request for you, i know that was a while ago.
 

Sac49

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yeah, that guy! lol

we get Tabletalk, too. i haven't had a chance to look at it and now i'm excited. :)

are you well, brother? last i heard you had been in an accident? a-g posted a prayer request for you, i know that was a while ago.
Much better thank you. I broke my right hip on Dec 1st at work and was out for 3 months. But thanks to Gods healing power and prayers from everyone i am back to what is normal for me (which isnt saying much due to my arthritis) but i have no right to complain as God was and is taking care of me.

Tabletalk is such a good publication. So much Biblical learning plus the daily studies. Great for research also. I have about 5 years worth as i keep going back to them for Bible study of subjects.
 

Sac49

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Yeah I just cut and pasted...
I have no idea how to cut and paste. I am not the best at being technologically literate. Wow that is a big word for me...technologically. (did i spell it right?) Lol
 
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Ariel82

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I don't think you need the "ly" making it into an adverb...I believe it works as an adjective just as well.maybe an English major can help? Lol
 

Johnny_B

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hey, how've you been? :)

there are some good resources on the 'net, and also a reformed theologian wrote a book called "What is Reformed Theology". (catchy title, right? lol)

his website is ligonier dot org.

sorry, everyone, i have a bad habit of starting at the end of a thread. :eek:
There are some great booklets called the Basics of the Faith they can be found on most sites that sell books on Theology. When I first read, what is justification by faith alone? I was impressed by how much information was in those 32 pages, that I bought the authors book on Justification. There are 39 in total ranging from, Why do we Baptize Infants? to Am I Called to What is the Trinity? to Why did God give us a Book to What are Spiritual Gifts?
 

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You said it - God is Just as well as the other attributes. The reason He does not love each and all in the same manner as far as showing His mercy is because He exercises justice. Those who receive His justice have no love for God at all. God is glorified in many ways, one way is in His justice that He Sovereignly can exercise upon those whom He wills.

What you are asserting is that God must love each and every single person to the same extent and that all must receive the same exact treatment or God is not "fair." But that is a logical fallacy and profound misunderstanding of "fairness". No one wants God to be fair with them, because to be fair means to be just, or, they simply do not understand what they're saying.



I understand that we all deserve to die and that we are not worthy of salvation. Are you saying that God can not be Just and merciful at the same time?
It was a dilemma because, to be just means to let the punishment fall on all the guilty.
But to be merciful means to forgive and gracefully pardon the sinner.

To be just alone would show God as unmerciful and give Satan power in his accusations against God, but to be Merciful alone would eternalize sin or remove the consequence of sin.

So what can God do????

At the cross both were perfectly satisfied both mercy and justice were exercised at the cross. What a great God we serve.

Justice because the penalty was paid in full for every sin we confess by faith, and mercy because now we have the chance to be forgiven in full and stand before God faultless.

Are you telling me that God choose to only pay for some peoples sins? That is unmerciful to the ones that didn't get elected.

Is Jesus' blood sufficient to pay for all that come and ask, (1 or 10000 billion)? The value of Jesus' blood isn't limited to the elect it's value is eternally greater than a chosen few.
 

valiant

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I believe that is where we disagree.something profound happened to the world at the cross.

We hear of the external signs of the spiritual victory of Christ with the ripped veil.
Those affected the heavens, not 'the world'. The ripped vail was for believers and showed the way into the presence of God was now open,.

Satan and 1/3 of the rebellious angels were tossed out of heaven to torture the people on Earth.
To accuse, not to torture. Do you think that this was a benefit of the cross?


The earth is Now experiencing birth pangs.
They look to the FUTURE

****Romans 8
. 19For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved.


see.?
 

valiant

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I don't think you need the "ly" making it into an adverb...I believe it works as an adjective just as well.maybe an English major can help? Lol
technologically is corrects as it defines a verb :)
 
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Those affected the heavens, not 'the world'. The ripped vail was for believers and showed the way into the presence of God was now open,.



To accuse, not to torture. Do you think that this was a benefit of the cross?




They look to the FUTURE

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see.?
I agree the ripped veil showed that believers could now enter freely into the presence of God upon His throne.

Yes I believe that the cross enabled the defeat of Satan and his angels in heaven, we can look at Revelation of you wish.

Birth pangs are happening Now and they look forward to the New Heaven and Earth( but we now have the BORN again spirits), that day we will have new resurrected bodies.

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Just noticed that our conversation has gone off topic.