Can Christians walk holy before God each day without sinning?

[know1]

It means that if I am dead to the law and sin, how can I continue to sin? No. I do not commit sin any longer. My life is of faith now, as anything that is not of faith, is sin.
If Christ lives in us, how can we still be sinners?

There are too few of you around sir.
It is true, that all things done outside of faith, is sin, and since most haven't gotten past their faith for salvation, and don't know how to walk in faith, nor do they have any interest in learning to do so, then yes, they sin.
If one does not walk in love, faith and obey the voice/leading of the Spirit, then they are walking in the law, and subject to its punishments.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
One can have faith for salvation, but fail to eat their food in faith, and therefore sin.
So just because one is saved, does not mean they are of the just, for the scriptures say, 'the just shall LIVE by faith'.
Living by faith does not mean believing that you are saved and going to heaven when you die, or that you are a born again child of God and washed in the blood of Jesus, or that your sins are forgiven you.
That is not living by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
The law is not of faith and faith is not of the law. If you are not walking/living by faith, then are you redeemed from the curse of the law?

 

[crossnote]

I have not yet seen a person live one day without sin (only hypotheticals) unless they have lowered the goal posts.

 

[know1]

Ok, then to put it this way, NO. And the reason if you care to know, is we are not yet made perfect.

Then God is an unjust God, to tell you not to sin anymore, nor is His word true that says your are free from the bondage of sin and that you don't have to sin no more.
Sir, do you have scripture for what you are saying, other than what John said?
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Those are past sins. The verse before that says, If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Cleansed from all unrighteousness means, a clean slate, doesn't it?

 

[kennethcadwell]

I have not yet seen a person live one day without sin (only hypotheticals) unless they have lowered the goal posts.

Exactly, nobody is with out sin.

That is a false teaching that comes from those who get the wrong meaning and context out of scripture, or try to find a way to justify walking in sin is not counted toward us any more.

 

[know1]

I have not yet seen a person live one day without sin (only hypotheticals) unless they have lowered the goal posts.

So you are saying that it is not possible for a person to go through any day without sinning?

 

[Flamingspirit]

So you are saying that it is not possible for a person to go through any day without sinning?

What I find amazing is that everyone who thinks like that also believes that the sinner they would condemn is worse than them. He is only doing what they themselves admit to doing. Sinning daily. For truly a double minded person is unstable in all his ways.

 

[know1]

Exactly, nobody is with out sin.

That is a false teaching that comes from those who get the wrong meaning and context out of scripture, or try to find a way to justify walking in sin is not counted toward us any more.

Scripture please.
I think the reality of the issue is that most believe they cannot live without sinning, and therefore don't even try.
One who is born again, start out as though they never sinned, and those who confess there sins also are cleansed of all unrighteousness, as are those who live by faith, walk in love, and obey the voice of the Spirit, are without sin, for they have fulfilled the law or commandments of God for the new covenant.

 

[Flamingspirit]

Remember the Gentiles did it without the law. They were a law unto themselves.

 

[directline2iam]

1 Tim 1:15It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 16Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.

among whom I am foremost of all-present tense at the time of his writing this.
perfect patience as an example-patience for what? For Paul being a sinner.

 

[know1]

Remember the Gentiles did it without the law. They were a law unto themselves.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Are you referring to the last part of that verse?
I am hearing a lot of things like, "That is a false teaching that comes from those who get the wrong meaning and context out of scripture", but I am not seeing scripture to back anything up that is saying that I am taking things out of context.
What I have seen sir, is that those who believe they are sinners saved by grace, are the same people who believe and see themselves as though they cannot go through the day without sinning, and those who believe and see themselves as the righteousness of God, can go through the day without sinning.

 

[Flamingspirit]

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Are you referring to the last part of that verse?
I am hearing a lot of things like, "That is a false teaching that comes from those who get the wrong meaning and context out of scripture", but I am not seeing scripture to back anything up that is saying that I am taking things out of context.
What I have seen sir, is that those who believe they are sinners saved by grace, are the same people who believe and see themselves as though they cannot go through the day without sinning, and those who believe and see themselves as the righteousness of God, can go through the day without sinning.

Exactly. They forgave based on what was etched on their hearts, or accused.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Scripture please.
I think the reality of the issue is that most believe they cannot live without sinning, and therefore don't even try.
One who is born again, start out as though they never sinned, and those who confess there sins also are cleansed of all unrighteousness, as are those who live by faith, walk in love, and obey the voice of the Spirit, are without sin, for they have fulfilled the law or commandments of God for the new covenant.

How about, he who says he is without sin is a lier.

Sin no more in the bible is referring to not sinning purposely, or willfully. If you slip up, or fall back here or there it is not counted as willful sin, but it is sin and when you repent and ask forgiveness of it we have a Lord who is just and will forgive us of it.

I have not met a person who can go with out having doubts, worries, lusts, covetous, and so on. The list of sins goes on.

Anything that comes before God is a sin.

Do you show pride in yourself when you do something good, or do you give the credit to God ?

Do you never worry about anything ?

Do you never doubt something ?

Do you put emphasis on money to where you have to have ? If not, give your money away today and don't accept a dime from anybody or do a job to make money. Live solely on the word.

 

[know1]

1 Tim 1:15It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 16Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.

among whom I am foremost of all-present tense at the time of his writing this.
perfect patience as an example-patience for what? For Paul being a sinner.

That's good, thank you sir.
Though most interpreters write it in the present tense, a couple translated it as in the past.
(Murdock) Faithful is the declaration, and worthy to be received, that Jesus the Messiah came into the world to give life to sinners, of whom I was the primary.
(CEV) "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners." This saying is true, and it can be trusted. I was the worst sinner of all!



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Though I don't have much to write against the verse you used, I do have one word for your post.
Joh 8:13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
2Co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.


Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
You cannot build a doctrine off one verse, it is not established. You need one more sir. Do you have one?

 

[know1]

How about, he who says he is without sin is a lier.

Sin no more in the bible is referring to not sinning purposely, or willfully. If you slip up, or fall back here or there it is not counted as willful sin, but it is sin and when you repent and ask forgiveness of it we have a Lord who is just and will forgive us of it.

I have not met a person who can go with out having doubts, worries, lusts, covetous, and so on. The list of sins goes on.

Anything that comes before God is a sin.

Do you show pride in yourself when you do something good, or do you give the credit to God ?

Do you never worry about anything ?

Do you never doubt something ?

Do you put emphasis on money to where you have to have ? If not, give your money away today and don't accept a dime from anybody or do a job to make money. Live solely on the word.

1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Sir, the verse says 'sinned', as in past tense.
So no, you need another one. So far, I have only one possible witness for every word to be established.
Sir, when you received Christ thereby become a new creature, did you receive Him by stopping all those things you mentioned, or did you receive Him by faith?
All those things you wrote are of the law, for all things not of faith are of and under the law.

 

[directline2iam]

Sir, if you use the word WAS, then the following verse (verse 16) would make no sense and would not have been written.
So verse 16, is, the second scripture of witness.

 

[know1]

Exactly. They forgave based on what was etched on their hearts, or accused.

Sorry for changing what you originally said. I think you were calling them hypocrites, if I understood you correctly.
Someone who does something and condemns others for doing the same thing. Knowing that it is wrong, but doing it anyway and accusing or condemning others knowing that they themselves are doing the same.
Is that what you were getting at?
I just see more excuses being made for the way they are than trying to find out how to walk in true holiness.
I also don't find adequate scriptural support for the doctrine.

 

[Flamingspirit]

Sorry for changing what you originally said. I think you were calling them hypocrites, if I understood you correctly.Someone who does something and condemns others for doing the same thing. Knowing that it is wrong, but doing it anyway and accusing or condemning others knowing that they themselves are doing the same. Is that what you were getting at?I just see more excuses being made for the way they are than trying to find out how to walk in true holiness. I also don't find adequate scriptural support for the doctrine.

Yes. I am saying that such are hypocrites. And its not an excuse from me but a judgement of character. I judge all things and yet am judged by no man. That is because I see all men the same, and if I see myself saved, all will one day be with me. And for what you want in trying to walk in true holiness, we start by giving up money. Then the dominoes will fall for all to see the path to take.

 

[know1]

Sir, if you use the word WAS, then the following verse (verse 16) would make no sense and would not have been written.
So verse 16, is, the second scripture of witness.

1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
I hate to admit it, but the word 'obtained' is in the past tense, not present.
Also, the subject is about salvation, to those who don't have it, not to those who already are believers. You obtain mercy at the time of your conversion and repentance of the sins you confessed, not of the ones you do nothing with.
If I were to make two statements, could you say that you have two witnesses that agree with each other?
No, because it was made by the same person. Neither can you say verses 15 and 16 are two witnesses.

 

[know1]

Yes. I am saying that such are hypocrites.

Ouch!!!
That's harsh.
But in all sincerity, God is more severe in His condemnation to those who hold the truth in unrighteousness than those who don't know the truth.
I just see most refusing to even look at the other side of the argument. It's not like telling someone to try a cigarette, knowing that it's bad for them.

 

[directline2iam]

1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
I hate to admit it, but the word 'obtained' is in the past tense, not present.
Also, the subject is about salvation, to those who don't have it, not to those who already are believers. You obtain mercy at the time of your conversion and repentance of the sins you confessed, not of the ones you do nothing with.
If I were to make two statements, could you say that you have two witnesses that agree with each other?
No, because it was made by the same person. Neither can you say verses 15 and 16 are two witnesses.

Ok, then use this: you cannot use scripture against scripture as a house divided against itself cannot stand. Therefore, the scripture I used, verse 15, stands, or are we not in the same house?

You know there are many scriptures on this for a second, third, fourth etc witness, but if you can't except the first one, how can you accept any more?