Can Gloria Copeland Affect The Weather?

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Of course it is the Holy Spirit in us prompting us to use our authority we have in Christ. It is all about Jesus in us in the person of the Holy Spirit. I agree that we cannot go around and "do" whatever we want from ourselves..that is from our flesh. However that does not negate that we can do what Jesus did and speak to the weather.

The term "name it and claim it" is misleading to say the least. I say that Jesus saved me and so I name and claim it. We should be "naming it and claiming it" about all that Christ has done for us!

Philemon speaks about this so called "name it and claim it"

Philemon 1:6 (KJV)
That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

Acknowledge all the good things that are in us in Christ. This sounds like a whole lot of "name it and claim it"

I realize there is an extreme to this teaching as there can be in everything but to label it "name it and claim it" as if it is a bad thing - well..it's just ignorance gone to seed.

Let us be careful of the "tags" we give to the truth of God's word.




We need to be using "sound words" as Paul talks about in 2 Tim 1;13


Yes there is. Read your Bibles.

John 5:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 8:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Those that "name it & claim it" without the Holy Spirit's leading are not doing it the way Jesus did. Those that say they can do these things take upon themselves more authority than Jesus had. Even Jesus couldn't do it, for He only did what the Father showed Him to do.

Claiming such authority rebels from God's will & plan.
 
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Do I need the Holy Spirit's leading in "claiming" I am a child of God or that I am born-again? The answer is obviously no because the Holy Spirit already witnessed to my spirit these truths so that means I can "name it and claim it"!

When we know who we are in Christ and our minds are renewed to this truth - we will respond with the knowledge of Christ in us to the situation that is being presented to us. We have authority in Christ which is why Jesus told us to "speak to the mountain"...not speak to Him about the mountain.

As we grow up we learn who we are and that life of Christ in us responds automatically to a situation. But it is all Him in us doing the works. As you have said so well...we can do nothing from ourselves.

Yes there is. Read your Bibles.

John 5:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 8:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Those that "name it & claim it" without the Holy Spirit's leading are not doing it the way Jesus did. Those that say they can do these things take upon themselves more authority than Jesus had. Even Jesus couldn't do it, for He only did what the Father showed Him to do.

Claiming such authority rebels from God's will & plan.
 
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Yes, she can and so can anyone else with the right kind of faith.

Matthew 14:29-33 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And he said,
Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him,
O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

A point to be made from that is Peter walked on the water in the middle of the storm. He was overcoming that storm, then doubted he could, having begun in the natural mind, entered the spiritual, then fell back into the natural. Well, Jesus didn't doubt, who was fully a man like Peter, teaching the apostles faith to do the things he did. The same Father that taught Jesus would soon teach them.

That was a very good use of a storm that wasn't hurting them, which Jesus ended by the faith of Jesus.

There's another incident that demonstrates a potential power over the earth in the hands of the apostles, but desired to be exercised for the wrong reason, in the flesh and not in the Spirit.

Luke 9:54-56 (KJV)
[SUP]54 [/SUP] And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
[SUP]55 [/SUP] But he turned, and rebuked them, and said
, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
[SUP]56 [/SUP] For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.
And they went to another village.

Notice the Lord didn't say they couldn't command such things to happen like Elijah did in 2 Kings 1:10-14, but taught them that would be wrong, manipulating natural forces to punish people rejecting Christ. That was close to sorcery or witchcraft. But obviously possible to do. What's speaking to a storm to stop compared to calling down fire? The main issue is motive, not ability.

I've shared this before here, one of us remembering the storm. A tornado came against Malvern, AR. While I frantically (and hopelessly) removed firewood sitting on the storm cellar door, my wife went to the back door, saw a huge emerald green ball of cloud with lightening coming off it at the bottom of a very sharply defined tornado, moving directly toward our house. We had been to a Copeland meeting weeks before where we learned about faith, then being So. Baptists never taught much about faith in our church. She chose to go onto the back porch, then speak to that storm "in the name of Jesus", commanding it to not damage us. I ran back to her, joining her in that prayer. We pointed at it and commanded it to "go up". It did. It raised up and over us, skipped our house, then immediately lowered to destroy the mighty oak trees lining our street, tore roofs off homes across the street, and did much damage to that town. We only could comprehend the immediate danger to ourselves. We received exactly what we said. To this day we talk about "what if" we had prayed for the whole town.

We did not halt in faith. It might have appeared foolish not to get in that shelter, but living by faith also might seem foolish.

Gloria Copeland has grown in faith and boldness ever since those days, and so have we. I won't let the Bible skeptics influence me, even though many of those are Christian church pastors. They ought not short-change their congregations by criticizing anyone acting just like Jesus even for just a few minutes.

Step out of the natural realm into the spiritual at least when needed. We ought to fill every day exercising faith through the path of whatever the Lord lets into our lives. He will deliver us through if we let him. Most people tend to falter in fear, hide, beg, sink, while God will only reply with "O you of little faith, why did you doubt?" When a town doubts, nothing can save it if they have left Jesus out. I think God did help us all put everything back somewhat, like Peter getting back in the boat, seeing an end to the storm, then continuing on serving the Lord. How much better might it have been for others who could have benefited from some faith against that storm over us.

Such authority didn't end with the last apostle. Tradition says that because a life of faith is such a strange thing to a carnal life, the life we are all familiar with, full of troubles, fears and a few blessings along the way.

Have dominion over the earth by the faith of Jesus. We have the keys Start with speaking the word of God over your immediate surroundings, yourself, family, place of employment, city, and beyond as that holy faith grows more in you. It's contagious. Spread the good news. To the Church he said in
Matthew 16:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.




 
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The Creator controls the weather, not the created.
I don't think the Creator controls the weather, I think the Creator created a weather system in the beginning but something has gone seriously wrong with natural weather disasters which kills and causes suffering to many human beings, a loving Creator wouldn't do this on purpose surely?

Science and man can affect the weather according to geoengineering

We are told by all official sources, agencies, and elected officials, that all we are seeing in our skies are "condensation trails". They say that it is perfectly normal for this "condensation" so stay in the sky for hours or days, widening and spreading until whole horizons are completely blotted out. Yes, what we see is exactly what they say they want to do with solar radiation management (SRM), but they assure us that geoengineering is not actually going on. Those that choose to believe these blatant lies simply do not yet want to wake up. Here is the fact of the matter, all commercial jet aircraft and all military tankers are fitted with a type of jet engine that is by design nearly incapable of producing any condensation trail except under the most extreme circumstances, the high bypass turbofan.
 

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Job 37: “6For he directs the snow, the showers, and storm to fall upon the earth. 7Man’s work stops at such a time so that all men everywhere may recognize his power. 8The wild animals hide in the rocks or in their dens.”
 
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[h=2]Can Gloria Copeland Affect The Weather?"[/h]
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Again I ask you...have you ever seen drunk people? They act strange to say the least and if we were to show a video of the people from the upper room back in Acts....we would have to conclude it's not God there. That is complete foolishness. The Holy Spirit was there but it is simply the flesh of man reacting to His presence and something happens when we encounter the supernatural presence of God in our flesh.

Is it God falling down when people encounter the power of God..no...of course not. it is the people's flesh reacting to Him. Sometimes it happens in certain manifestations and some times it doesn't.

I can just imagine the religious people of that day in Acts looking on the disciples and saying.."...this cannot be God here!" God was definitely there inside them when they were acting like they were drunk people. Selah

As a healed alcoholic who has been around other hard drinkers for many, many years of my life, I can tell you with assurance, I have never witnessed anything even close to what was going on in that video.

Falling on your face in the presence of God or angels is one thing, but crawling/flopping around while making animal sounds and laughing like maniacs is completely different.

Again, God has more respect for His children, and more dignity than that.
 

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I don't think the Creator controls the weather, I think the Creator created a weather system in the beginning but something has gone seriously wrong with natural weather disasters which kills and causes suffering to many human beings, a loving Creator wouldn't do this on purpose surely?
God is in complete control of everything.

There are numerous examples in Scripture where God has used weather to punish the wicked. Just read the story of the Exodus, and the Flood. And in the New Testament, just read Revelation.

God uses hailstones, torrential downpours, drought, lightning, snow, heat, dew, winds, etc., all throughout the Bible.
 
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You should have seen me acting up when I was drunk in the past...lol

I understand what you are saying and again I say it is just their reaction to the presence of God. When flesh encounters God - people react differently. God is still there in the people but He does not make them "react" that way. It has nothing to do with "God's dignity".

I can assure you that God is not offended at how we respond in our flesh to Him. He never thought once about His dignity when the man born lame jumped up and was walking and leaping like a madman when Jesus healed him. Nor was He offended when David danced with all his might before the Lord. His wife was sorely offended however! The truth is that we get offended.

As a healed alcoholic who has been around other hard drinkers for many, many years of my life, I can tell you with assurance, I have never witnessed anything even close to what was going on in that video.

Falling on your face in the presence of God or angels is one thing, but crawling/flopping around while making animal sounds and laughing like maniacs is completely different.

Again, God has more respect for His children, and more dignity than that.
 

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Let me put it this way, and then I'll be done.

If I were an unbeliever, and was invited to church, and I walked in and saw all of that going on - I would walk out and never darken the door of a church again.

I certainly would think that if Christianity is about flopping around on the floor while making squealing and honking noises - I want no part of it.
 
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Hope no one has asked, so I can...........Does she now possess "W's" weather machine? You know, the one he used to create Katrina and kill a bunch of folks.
 
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Why did Jesus rebuke the apostles for not having faith when they woke him during the storm?



This does not mean that they have power, they pray in the name of Jesus to stop the storm. This is what Jesus was trying to teach them about prayer and that He did nothing of His own but when to the Father that it may be done.
 
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....and when and where have you seen someone move a mountain?? :)
I was told that its not literally a mountain that faith can move, the mountain can be something in ourselves or in someone else.
My mountain I'm praying to be removed is fibromyalgia and M.E. which has taking everything and everyone from me. When God moves my mountain I can live again to serve and be of use to him. At the moment I cant praise him by going to church, and because I'm mostly bedbound I cant go out and talk to others about Gods love. Please will you pray for me that my mountain (this disease) will be taken away from me.
 

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Please will you pray for me that my mountain (this disease) will be taken away from me.

Praying for the complete restoration of your health.
 
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I hear what you are saying! There are people that would never darken the door of a church again if someone shouted out Praise the Lord. People will be offended that all kinds of things.

Saying that ..I agree with you that WHEN unbelievers are present we should conduct ourselves with a view that would encourage them to believe in Christ.


Let me put it this way, and then I'll be done.

If I were an unbeliever, and was invited to church, and I walked in and saw all of that going on - I would walk out and never darken the door of a church again.

I certainly would think that if Christianity is about flopping around on the floor while making squealing and honking noises - I want no part of it.
 
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God is in complete control of everything.
I don't believe that at all, not on this planet anyway.

There are numerous examples in Scripture where God has used weather to punish the wicked. Just read the story of the Exodus, and the Flood. And in the New Testament, just read Revelation.
I don't disagree that the God of the Bible can execute divine retribution, but I don't believe God causes all the unatural chaotic weather patterns deliberatley to cause human death and human suffering on this earth in this modern day and age, how do you explain Christians who are killed or suffer in unatural and chaotic weather disasters? did God deliberatley cause the death and suffering of Christians? how do you reconcile a God of love with a God that deliberatley causes human suffering?, I don't quite buy that somehow, just my worldview though.
 
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Hope no one has asked, so I can...........Does she now possess "W's" weather machine? You know, the one he used to create Katrina and kill a bunch of folks.
According to some here God causes that kind of catastrophe?, I don't buy that though.
 

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I hear what you are saying! There are people that would never darken the door of a church again if someone shouted out Praise the Lord. People will be offended that all kinds of things.

Saying that ..I agree with you that WHEN unbelievers are present we should conduct ourselves with a view that would encourage them to believe in Christ.
The folks not attending a church service, certainly never witnessing a whole gospel meeting that includes miracle healing and maybe some odd worship behavior, are understandably suspicious. It was that way all the days Jesus and his 12 apostles ministered.

A really hard problem is determining whether a visitor to a Christian service is indeed an "unbeliever". In all my Christian years I might have actually known of maybe half a dozen people who made that plain to all concerned. Probably most of those were people I invited that I knew needed salvation. Not many congregations have a member with the spiritual gift of discernment of spirits, and probably shouldn't be judging anyone about that anyway until it becomes inescapably clear. When we attended one Brownsville service while on vacation, I doubt I ever even thought of the possibility of one soul there being an unbeliever. The folks entering the church were without exception jubilant with anticipation.

What happened in this thread is a shame, mixing a proved ministry segment from KCM with a segment taken out of context from another ministry like Brownsville's where a Copeland might have been a guest speaker, that presents a confusion. Anything taken out of context will likely produce confusion, so that was not inspired from the Spirit. There is absolutely no confusion in a Copeland meeting, not was there in the Brownsville or anything out of Rhema U.

I am certain I could by evil present many threads and posts presented on this site in another Bible site, 'proving' this site is actually atheist. Of course that wouldn't be truth. But many "over there" would likely believe my claim. Few would take the trouble proving me wrong, so the lie would flourish around the world.

Anyone with copy/paste skill here could take part of this post of mine to do the same evil.

WHEN unbelievers are present, what should they witness? Jesus was a sign unto the generation of unbelievers. Luke 11:29-30 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]
And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

That covers the people thinking they see, and those knowing they don't see.


1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

That deals with those unbelievers that dare enter a Christian church service.
 
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If Gloria Copeland and her wolf husband can affect hundreds of thousands of dumb sheep, leading them all to destruction, why shouldn't she be able to affect the weather. I'm just saying!
 
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Her critic says no, but she says otherwise. What say you?

[video=youtube;_Bc4XSSwRXs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bc4XSSwRXs[/video]​
More like, what says the Bible?
Jesus effected the weather, then he told the disciples they had little faith.. why? because he expected them to effect the weather so he could get some much needed sleep.