Can liars and thieves still make heaven?

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FinnGottlieb

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Only if they repent, meaning they must turn away from their son and ask for forgiveness
 

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Job 27. For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he has GAINED (appears to be blessed of God) when God takes away his soul?

Will God hear his cry when trouble comes upon him? Will he delight himself in the almighty (continue to feign faith and a religious facade )? Will he always call upon God?

I will teach you about God (and His word), that which is with the Almighty I will NOT conceal. (Oh how I've tried).

Behold, all of you have seen it (read it in your bibles) then why are you altogether vain? (Vain: Hebrew: Hebel: something with no sunstance. Emptiness. Futility. Meaninglessness. Worthlessness.) .

This is a portion of a wicked man with God, and the heritage of the OPPRESSORS, (cleric hirelings for filthy lucre gain) which they shall receive of the Almighty.

Verses 14-23...not so good. Read them if you dare!

To recap. This 'self exalted pastor' confessed to me, in front of the folks, before casting me out of his 'church', that he'd been deceiving those folks for years, that he'd been lying about tithes in order to enrich himself and not have to punch a time clock in a sweat shop like the rest of us.

And 10 will get you 20 that all those dumb sheep are probably still there enabling this man to continue in his lying and thievery.

They're not doing him any favors, nor themselves, nor the new folks that walk in off the street hungering for the truth of God's word and plan!
 
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PurerInHeart

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Will liars and thieves still make heaven?

Simple question!
If my name "-----" means 'thief' or 'liar' or 'unrighteous', then I cannot get into heaven by my own name. But if I call upon the name of the Lord (Acts 22:16) which means 'pure', 'perfect', 'righteous', then I will enter heaven because He let me use His name instead of mine. The church is the bride of Christ. She married (baptism) into royalty. When a woman marries a royal man, she takes on his last name, and becomes royal herself.

So if you lie you are named a liar. But if you are in Christ, and you tell a lie, it is wiped out instantly. It is the same as if it didn't happen at all. And if it didn't happen at all, you can't be named a liar, but named a Christian- someone covered by the blood of Christ. Someone IN Christ is free of sin because there is no sin in Christ- therefore if you are in Christ there is no sin in you. So, to answer your question, no, liars and thieves will not enter heaven, but Christians will. Christians aren't perfect, just saved, because Christ shares His perfection with them.

So is this a license to sin? Can I do whatever I want knowing that it will be covered? No! Because whatever does not grow dies. If we don't grow in Christ, and be transformed in the likeness of Christ, if we are inactive, we will be disqualified for the prize (heaven). It's not enough to get saved, you have to stay saved. We have to take up our cross daily, and rid our lives of sin. Yes, sometimes a Christ visits sin, but there is a big difference between visiting and living there. A Christian cannot LIVE in sin.

Romans 6:1 "What shall we say then, shall we live in sin so that grace can be more abundant? By no means! We died to sin, how can we live in it any longer? Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ were baptized into His death?" We put sin to death when we got baptized. We buried our old sinful self in the watery grave. And we strive daily to keep the old self buried. We make mistakes and are forgive, having those mistakes washed away, but only if we live for Christ and strive to put away the misdeeds of the body.
 

hornetguy

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Strange you teach that, yet Scriptures teach those who believe in Jesus are Born of God, and those who are Born of God do not sin.
Can you expound on your beliefs on this statement, DD?

On the surface, it sounds as if you are saying that a saved person never sins again?
 

hornetguy

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This is about tithing again isn't it? I thought that this was covered in your many previous threads on this topic.[/QUOT

Tithing is one subject. Liars that push tithing that keeps the poor in bondage and the rich from knowing how to hear His voice is another.

If those self appointed powers that be know the truth but are withholding it for financial gain, that would seem to mean that most pastors will not make it into His eternal kingdom. Scary food for thought. Kinda like the rich man that had his comforts in this life while the beggar lived In perpetual fear and want in the pew because of a false law hanging over his head. Can anyone see my point yet?
Totally disagree. I would say that perhaps SOME so-called pastors might not make it.... definitely not "MOST".