Can one tell someone they may go to hell

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would you preach you will go to hell or say you may go to hell

  • I would preach you may go to hell

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • I would preach you will go to hell

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • I would preach niether

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • i would let God decide

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • I would just say nothing and pray

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • I would talk and look to restore and then warn them about hell

    Votes: 4 30.8%

  • Total voters
    13

wolfwint

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Hi all hope your all well. my third poll out of five :D


You will or you may go to hell. Two different meanings.

If you felt the need to preach hell about someone for whatever reason what would you say, ( would you say you will or you may
Well, right, the poll questions are not really clear. In a sermon I would preach the truth. The truth involves both ways, to heaven and to hell. So long somebody is not saved, he will go to hell!
 

Blain

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If you were told that China was the moon you would be telling people you went to the moon after going to China. Read your Bible, Blain, and please give up your idea of God being a sadistic monster who is going to torture for eternity those who reject Him. No such thing is taught in Scripture, nor is the immortal soul anywhere taught in Scripture. Think about it. Eternal life is found only in Christ. The second death is promised to non-believers.
And I suppose you know my heart and know what I have experienced or not? Why would make up a story about going to such a horrible place? And do you think I can delude my mind so much that I would literally be imagining the deep thirst and how I was sweating so badly that my shirt was glued to my skin? The lake of fire the tortured souls I saw there the deep sadness and pain I felt for these people? And why would you say I believe God is a sadistic monster? How often have I expressed God's deep love and mercy? How often have I spoken of his heart and who he is? If you knew me then you would know that I don't believe him to be a monster.

God has a reason for everything he does, people in eternal torment is not something that even I want believe but he is not a monster for doing this he is God and we in our limited understanding have no right to call him a monster for this. There is a reason why he says so strongly to trust him and have blind faith
 
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Revelation 14:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:





I believe that hell is eternal separation from God. The one that is there is no longer in the presence of God.
 
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Oh...I certainly believe in hell!..but hell does not exist apart from God. His presence is everywhere and His love burns the people there.


You didn't see and experience what I did nor do I recommend you ever too either, Hell is an actual place in the spirit realm the horrors that are there not even the bible fully describes, many have different ideas of what hell is and what it is like but just as only a witness of Christ can fully understand who Christ is and what it is like to dwell in love and presence only those who have been to seen and experienced hell can truly know and understand that place
 

Magenta

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And I suppose you know my heart and know what I have experienced or not? Why would make up a story about going to such a horrible place? And do you think I can delude my mind so much that I would literally be imagining the deep thirst and how I was sweating so badly that my shirt was glued to my skin? The lake of fire the tortured souls I saw there the deep sadness and pain I felt for these people? And why would you say I believe God is a sadistic monster? How often have I expressed God's deep love and mercy? How often have I spoken of his heart and who he is? If you knew me then you would know that I don't believe him to be a monster.

God has a reason for everything he does, people in eternal torment is not something that even I want believe but he is not a monster for doing this he is God and we in our limited understanding have no right to call him a monster for this. There is a reason why he says so strongly to trust him and have blind faith
The God I know is truly loving just and merciful, and He does not torture for an eternity those who reject Him. They die the second death, just as Scripture says. Scripture says in many places, the wages of sin is death. I am sorry you don't believe it.
 

Blain

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Oh...I certainly believe in hell!..but hell does not exist apart from God. His presence is everywhere and His love burns the people there.
believe me that place is very far away from God and there was no love in that place only pain intense heat thirst and no hope.
Jesus met me there but he wasn't there for those who were suffering he was there for me specifically. I would have perfered to have gone to visit heaven instead of hell but I know he wanted me to go there for two specific reasons, one was to have my heart tested the second was that I would come to see and understand what happens when people refuse his free gift and that I would tell others of the horrors I saw and experienced.
 

BenFTW

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I want to know, where is the option to preach the Gospel? The good news. Not a threat of Hell but reconciliation to God.
 

Blain

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The God I know is truly loving just and merciful, and He does not torture for an eternity those who reject Him. They die the second death, just as Scripture says. Scripture says in many places, the wages of sin is death. I am sorry you don't believe it.
Then why do the scriptures say this?

Mathew 25:46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:29
and come out--those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
 
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Yes..hell is not in the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ....but this is a "sacred cow" to us evangelicals....thank God He is not an evangelical in that He is sin-conscious!.. God is Christ -conscious.

I want to know, where is the option to preach the Gospel? The good news. Not a threat of Hell but reconciliation to God.
 
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lordofthedance

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Well, right, the poll questions are not really clear. In a sermon I would preach the truth. The truth involves both ways, to heaven and to hell. So long somebody is not saved, he will go to hell!
The poll question is not just for sermon preachers, the question is for any situation.

Example like if you feared a freind may be in danger of some sought and you felt the need to talk or preach about hell
 
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In my experience many christians consider others who profess Christianity will go to hell because they perceive they don't live as morally upright lives as they do.
Far easier to tell someone on the internet of course they are heading for hell than in the flesh

I would never tell a non believer the are heading for hell, the message of grace is far more potent than trying to scare people( what in fact you would be doing)

God wants people to come to him because of his great love for them, not because they are scared not to- no love in that
 

Blain

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Yes..hell is not in the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ....but this is a "sacred cow" to us evangelicals....thank God He is not an evangelical in that He is sin-conscious!.. God is Christ -conscious.
fear is not of God love is, so the whole scaring people into faith by preaching doom and gloom and fiery torment is the devil's gospel preaching on the goodness and freedom love and eternal grace of God is the gospel of Christ.

Hence we see a type of antichrist
 

Magenta

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In my experience many christians consider others who profess Christianity will go to hell because they perceive they don't live as morally upright lives as they do.
Far easier to tell someone on the internet of course they are heading for hell than in the flesh

I would never tell a non believer the are heading for hell, the message of grace is far more potent than trying to scare people( what in fact you would be doing)

God wants people to come to him because of his great love for them, not because they are scared not to- no love in that
Perfect Love casts out fear :)
 

Magenta

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Then why do the scriptures say this?

Mathew 25:46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:29
and come out--those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
The second death lasts forever after.
The lost perish and are no more. They go to their death, and are
not eternally tortured and tormented forever. Hell is the grave,
and both it and death are thrown into the lake of fire, which makes
an end forever through the second death to those who oppose God.


Matt 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

Matthew 10:28
Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 13:3
I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Here, the Greek word for perish is apoleisthe, which means to utterly destroy, kill, slay, demolish, make void.

Jesus says that the end for the unrighteous will be the same as for those in the days of Noah (Luke 17:27), "the flood came and destroyed them all" (not tortured). And it will be the same as for Sodom (verse 29) "destroyed them" (not tortured).

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
So a person either receives eternal life, or they perish. Nothing about eternal torment there.

John 5:24, Jesus said
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Note: Death, not eternal torment.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
Destroy, not torture or torment alive forever.

Galations 6:8
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption (phthoran), but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
phthoran: From phtheiro; decay, i.e. Ruin (spontaneous or inflicted, literally or figuratively) -- corruption, destroy, perish.
The one who sows to his own flesh reaps destruction, not eternal living torment.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Destruction, not eternal living torment. The greek word is olethron: destruction.
From a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruination, i.e. Death, punishment -- destruction.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

James 1:15b
and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

James 4:12a
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy;

2 Peter 3:7
But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
All ungodly men will perish unless they repent.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
If you are not alive you cannot be tormented!

Jude 5
Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.

Revelation 2:11b
He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.
The living and the dead will be judged on the last day. Those in Christ will not experience the second death, being rewarded with life. Those not in Christ will experience a second death. This second death is their final and utter destruction.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.

Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
John interprets this for us: the lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name is not in the book of life, he experiences the second death. This is exactly what it says, death.

Revelation 21:8
“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
They will undergo the second death, which means they are dead.

After the first sin, what was the promised consequence? God said that it was death. God didn't tell them that they would be given eternal life being tormented in hell. If eternal torture in hell is the consequence, it is jarringly missing from any statement by God to Adam and Eve. God even barred Adam and Eve from the garden to prevent them eating from the tree of life and living forever in their state of sin. Paul explains this: Romans 6:23, The wages of sin is death. This is obvious, Paul said what the wages of sin is and it is not to be burned alive forever after you are resurrected.

Ezekiel 18:4
The soul who sins will die.

Psalm 1:4-6
Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.
Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.


Psalm 9:5
You have rebuked the nations and destroyed the wicked;
you have blotted out their name for ever and ever.

Psalm 9:6
even the memory of them has perished.

Psalm 34:16
but the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
to blot out their name from the earth.

Psalm 37:9
For those who are evil will be destroyed,

Psalm 37:20
But the wicked will perish:

Psalm 37:22
those he curses will be destroyed

Psalm 37:28b
Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed

Psalm 37:34
when the wicked are destroyed, you will see it.

Psalm 37:38
But all sinners will be destroyed;
there will be no future for the wicked.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
the dead know nothing
 

BenFTW

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Yes..hell is not in the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ....but this is a "sacred cow" to us evangelicals....thank God He is not an evangelical in that He is sin-conscious!.. God is Christ -conscious.
I say it in such away not to dismiss Hell but for the very reason that Christ didn't come to condemn the world but save it. Look at street preachers and you'll see them preaching condemnation, even so hardening people's hearts towards God. The truth must be given in love. So many people due to preachers think that Hell is an ultimatum and God is being sadistic saying, "Choose Me or burn." However, that is not the reality. Such an ultimatum is not born of tyranny but circumstance, that Christ is the only way and if you deny Him you have rejected your means to salvation.

It is like a drowning man in a pool rejecting a floating device. The man is already drowning (condemned) and he needs the floating device (the savior) to be saved. Circumstance has him there, it is not as if the one offering the floating device tossed him into that circumstance. No, he is already condemned and the ultimatum is that the drowning man has the option to be saved, or remain condemned. A person without Christ is already condemned just as the drowning man is incapable of saving himself without the floating device.

PS: It may be a matter of the glass being half full or empty but it seems such a distinction is important because one version paints God as a tyrant and the other full of mercy and grace.
 

Blain

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The second death lasts forever after.
The lost perish and are no more. They go to their death, and are
not eternally tortured and tormented forever. Hell is the grave,
and both it and death are thrown into the lake of fire, which makes
an end forever through the second death to those who oppose God.


Matt 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

Matthew 10:28
Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 13:3
I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Here, the Greek word for perish is apoleisthe, which means to utterly destroy, kill, slay, demolish, make void.

Jesus says that the end for the unrighteous will be the same as for those in the days of Noah (Luke 17:27), "the flood came and destroyed them all" (not tortured). And it will be the same as for Sodom (verse 29) "destroyed them" (not tortured).

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
So a person either receives eternal life, or they perish. Nothing about eternal torment there.

John 5:24, Jesus said
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Note: Death, not eternal torment.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
Destroy, not torture or torment alive forever.

Galations 6:8
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption (phthoran), but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
phthoran: From phtheiro; decay, i.e. Ruin (spontaneous or inflicted, literally or figuratively) -- corruption, destroy, perish.
The one who sows to his own flesh reaps destruction, not eternal living torment.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Destruction, not eternal living torment. The greek word is olethron: destruction.
From a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruination, i.e. Death, punishment -- destruction.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

James 1:15b
and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

James 4:12a
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy;

2 Peter 3:7
But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
All ungodly men will perish unless they repent.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
If you are not alive you cannot be tormented!

Jude 5
Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.

Revelation 2:11b
He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.
The living and the dead will be judged on the last day. Those in Christ will not experience the second death, being rewarded with life. Those not in Christ will experience a second death. This second death is their final and utter destruction.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.

Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
John interprets this for us: the lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name is not in the book of life, he experiences the second death. This is exactly what it says, death.

Revelation 21:8
“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
They will undergo the second death, which means they are dead.

After the first sin, what was the promised consequence? God said that it was death. God didn't tell them that they would be given eternal life being tormented in hell. If eternal torture in hell is the consequence, it is jarringly missing from any statement by God to Adam and Eve. God even barred Adam and Eve from the garden to prevent them eating from the tree of life and living forever in their state of sin. Paul explains this: Romans 6:23, The wages of sin is death. This is obvious, Paul said what the wages of sin is and it is not to be burned alive forever after you are resurrected.

Ezekiel 18:4
The soul who sins will die.

Psalm 1:4-6
Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.
Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.


Psalm 9:5
You have rebuked the nations and destroyed the wicked;
you have blotted out their name for ever and ever.

Psalm 9:6
even the memory of them has perished.

Psalm 34:16
but the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
to blot out their name from the earth.

Psalm 37:9
For those who are evil will be destroyed,

Psalm 37:20
But the wicked will perish:

Psalm 37:22
those he curses will be destroyed

Psalm 37:28b
Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed

Psalm 37:34
when the wicked are destroyed, you will see it.

Psalm 37:38
But all sinners will be destroyed;
there will be no future for the wicked.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
the dead know nothing
so then we ignore the scriptures that say eternal l torment? The way it is you and I are making the bible contradict itself one part says eternal torment another saying noneternal and the bible doesn't contradict itself. I notice how the scriptures say death was thrown into hell, if death was put in there then how do people die? I highly doubt that death is able to take life from the already dead while being tormented by the tortures of hell
 

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You didn't see and experience what I did nor do I recommend you ever too either, Hell is an actual place in the spirit realm the horrors that are there not even the bible fully describes, many have different ideas of what hell is and what it is like but just as only a witness of Christ can fully understand who Christ is and what it is like to dwell in love and presence only those who have been to seen and experienced hell can truly know and understand that place
Hi Blain,

I'm pretty sure that the place that you saw would have been the same place that the rich man of the rich man and Lazarus event, which is called Hades and which is synonymous with Sheol, which according to scripture is the place of the departed spirits/souls of the unrighteous. The reason I say this is because many translators have erroneously translated three different words in the NT as "Hell." The word "hell" doesn't even come from the Greek, but has its origins in Germanic or Norse, which makes me wonder how that word ever got into the NT. The three words translated as "Hell" are as follows:

Tartaroo/Tartarus:
Used once to describe the place where the angels were sent being put in chains of darkness found in 2 Pet.2:4, which is most likely a reference to those angels, the son's of God, who took wives from the progeny of men (Gen..6:1)

Hades/Sheol: Properly, the "Unseen place" of the departed spirits/souls of the unrighteous who will remain in torment in flame until they are resurrected out at the great white throne judgment (GWTJ), which takes place at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ. This is the same place that the rich man was taken to and where he still remains, its location being under the earth. I'm pretty positive that this is the place that you experienced.

Geenna/Lake of fire/second death/everlasting fire
: This is the final place punishment for all those whose names are not found in the book of life at the GWTJ, which was created for Satan and his angels (Matt.25:41, Rev.20:10,14-15). According to scripture, no one is currently in the lake of fire and its first recipients will be the beast and the false prophet (Rev.19:20).

Characteristics of Sheol/Hades:

· Is down under the earth - Gen.37:35, 42:38, 44:29, 44::31, Num.16:30, 16:33, Deut.32:22, 1 Sam.2:6, 2 kings 2:6, Job 11:7-8, 17:16, Ps.30:3, 86:13, Prov.9:18, 15:24, Isa.5:14, 14:9, 14:11, 14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17, Ezk.32:21, Ezk.32:27, Mt.11:23, Lk.10:15,

· Has multiple levels - Deut.32:22, Job 11:7-8,

· Referred to as the pit - Job 17:13, Ps.30:3, Prov.1:12, Isa.14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17

· Has Chambers - Prov.7:27

· Has Gates/Bars - Job 17:16, Isa.38:10, Mt.16:18

· A place of torment in fire – Lk.16:23-24

· Is a literal entity representing the same location – Rev.6:8, 20:14
 
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lordofthedance

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You didn't see and experience what I did nor do I recommend you ever too either, Hell is an actual place in the spirit realm the horrors that are there not even the bible fully describes, many have different ideas of what hell is and what it is like but just as only a witness of Christ can fully understand who Christ is and what it is like to dwell in love and presence only those who have been to seen and experienced hell can truly know and understand that place
I can believe you. I was once out and about a few months ago it was really hot weather like no other temps i had witnessed.
I went into a sea of blue and purple then a presence came right in front of me the presence made me relax while it read my mind it was so beautiful then i saw friends and family eyes light up then i saw a persons eyes go red and he was immediately made to disapear.
what i saw that day was a judgement from the kingdom between the living and the dead
 

Blain

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Hi Blain,

I'm pretty sure that the place that you saw would have been the same place that the rich man of the rich man and Lazarus event, which is called Hades and which is synonymous with Sheol, which according to scripture is the place of the departed spirits/souls of the unrighteous. The reason I say this is because many translators have erroneously translated three different words in the NT as "Hell." The word "hell" doesn't even come from the Greek, but has its origins in Germanic or Norse, which makes me wonder how that word ever got into the NT. The three words translated as "Hell" are as follows:

Tartaroo/Tartarus:
Used once to describe the place where the angels were sent being put in chains of darkness found in 2 Pet.2:4, which is most likely a reference to those angels, the son's of God, who took wives from the progeny of men (Gen..6:1)

Hades/Sheol: Properly, the "Unseen place" of the departed spirits/souls of the unrighteous who will remain in torment in flame until they are resurrected out at the great white throne judgment (GWTJ), which takes place at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ. This is the same place that the rich man was taken to and where he still remains, its location being under the earth. I'm pretty positive that this is the place that you experienced.

Geenna/Lake of fire/second death/everlasting fire
: This is the final place punishment for all those whose names are not found in the book of life at the GWTJ, which was created for Satan and his angels (Matt.25:41, Rev.20:10,14-15). According to scripture, no one is currently in the lake of fire and its first recipients will be the beast and the false prophet (Rev.19:20).

Characteristics of Sheol/Hades:

· Is down under the earth - Gen.37:35, 42:38, 44:29, 44::31, Num.16:30, 16:33, Deut.32:22, 1 Sam.2:6, 2 kings 2:6, Job 11:7-8, 17:16, Ps.30:3, 86:13, Prov.9:18, 15:24, Isa.5:14, 14:9, 14:11, 14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17, Ezk.32:21, Ezk.32:27, Mt.11:23, Lk.10:15,

· Has multiple levels - Deut.32:22, Job 11:7-8,

· Referred to as the pit - Job 17:13, Ps.30:3, Prov.1:12, Isa.14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17

· Has Chambers - Prov.7:27

· Has Gates/Bars - Job 17:16, Isa.38:10, Mt.16:18

· A place of torment in fire – Lk.16:23-24

· Is a literal entity representing the same location – Rev.6:8, 20:14
The place i saw and went to was in the spiritual realm not in the earths core, and I have been to only one other place in which peoples suffering came in the form of black smoke which I did not at the time was in scripture. It was not one of fire but was a place of utter despair and no hope. I do not fully understand the references of hades and the pit compared to hell because the only things I know about them is hades is a greek God that leads the dead souls into a place of holding and the pit is supposed to be the place where the devil is to be imprisoned along with all his followers but But there are many interpretations of what hades and hell are all I know is that the place I went to was called hell there was the lake of fire and the heat was beyond anything you can imagine
 

wolfwint

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In my experience many christians consider others who profess Christianity will go to hell because they perceive they don't live as morally upright lives as they do.
Far easier to tell someone on the internet of course they are heading for hell than in the flesh

I would never tell a non believer the are heading for hell, the message of grace is far more potent than trying to scare people( what in fact you would be doing)

God wants people to come to him because of his great love for them, not because they are scared not to- no love in that
Of course love is behind the Gospel. Take John 3,16. Both is includet Love and the consequence of not believing. Go lost, means forever seperatet from God, thats hell.
Many people dont care gods love, dont see the need of Salvation. Its the way we talk about.