Can Salvation be lost?

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Blain

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You have no clue what you're talking about with respect to the Gospel.
You will always find those whose views oppose your own and whose beliefs of the truth will be the opposite of yours but that does not give you the authority to decide if a person knows what they are talking about in regards to the gospel. The gospel is not simply a osas vs a non oasa view the gospel is the love story between God and creation it is the testimony of Jesus Christ it is the bonds between God's children and his heart.

Not a single one of us has it all right, none of us has every correct doctrine in our hearts nor do anyone of us believe all the correct views, we all have different understanding and we all have a different way of viewing things but the gospel its;ef is not something you get to decide if a person is clueless about or not that especially since the gospel is so much more than anything we could image with our feeble minds.
 
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Not a single one of us has it all right, none of us has every correct doctrine in our hearts nor do anyone of us believe all the correct views, we all have different understanding and we all have a different way of viewing things but the gospel its;ef is not something you get to decide if a person is clueless about or not that especially since the gospel is so much more than anything we could image with our feeble minds.
No.
We MUST be 100% deadon with the Gospel. Or we might as well just give up.

You can be wrong on eschatology, you can be wrong on a lot of things, but you CANNOT be wrong on the Gospel. This flipflopping which I also do around other topics will not work with the Gospel. Because the Gospel = salvation.
 

Nehemiah6

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Paul lost Demus so I’d say yes.
That is reading more into that incident than is warranted. Paul said For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica...(2 Tim 4:10).

What can we infer from this?

1. Demas was a Christian and a companion of Paul.

2. There came a time when he preferred the things of the present world to the things of the future Kingdom of God.

3. Paul suffered greatly for the sake of the Kingdom, but Demas may not have been prepared to do so.

4. Therefore he forsook Paul and chose to become a worldly Christian.

5. Do worldly (or carnal) Christians lose their salvation, or do they lose their rewards and their fellowship with God?

6. Does the Bible teach Christians that they are not to love the world?

7. Does the Bible say that if they love the world they will lose their salvation?
 
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but the gospel its;ef is not something you get to decide if a person is clueless about or not that especially since the gospel is so much more than anything we could image with our feeble minds.
You're clueless on the Gospel. That's a fact. Since you're so certain of your view, and that my view by rule is then in error, then provide Scriptural proof of your view instead of offering your own thoughts.

Try Scripture instead of your hypothesis.

As stated, "the golden chain of redemption" cannot be broken. All phases of salvation will be experienced by the true convert. Romans 8:29-30, 31-39 and none shall be lost; John 6:39; John 10:28; Philippians 1:6 &c.
 
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No.
We MUST be 100% deadon with the Gospel. Or we might as well just give up.

You can be wrong on eschatology, you can be wrong on a lot of things, but you CANNOT be wrong on the Gospel. This flipflopping which I also do around other topics will not work with the Gospel. Because the Gospel = salvation.
NAILED!!!!!!!
 

John146

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No, salvation cannot be lost.

But not every faith leads to salvation. Only active faith with life of repentance.

If somebody lives still in sin and has no desire whatsoever to be clean and like Jesus, he was never saved, in the first place.
Only the faith of Christ given to those who believe. No works.
 

John146

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If salvation can be lost, then we're all lost, every one of us.
 
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joefizz

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That is reading more into that incident than is warranted. Paul said For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica...(2 Tim 4:10).

What can we infer from this?

1. Demas was a Christian and a companion of Paul.

2. There came a time when he preferred the things of the present world to the things of the future Kingdom of God.

3. Paul suffered greatly for the sake of the Kingdom, but Demas may not have been prepared to do so.

4. Therefore he forsook Paul and chose to become a worldly Christian.

5. Do worldly (or carnal) Christians lose their salvation, or do they lose their rewards and their fellowship with God?

6. Does the Bible teach Christians that they are not to love the world?

7. Does the Bible say that if they love the world they will lose their salvation?
Well it is written that "to be a friend of the world is to be at enmity(war)with God" but I fail to see what this debus a person has to do with losing salvation,after all once again did Jesus or his apostles,say they "had to serve forever",and Paul didn't lose his salvation,Debus was most likely a "rookie" who had yet to give his life to Jesus,what's surprising about that?
Judas Iscariot was the same posing as a believer yet still putting material things above serving Jesus,each person makes their own "Individual choices" that's all this shows.
 
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Not so. If we follow the plan God has set for us.
 

trofimus

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I see church fathers speak of the fact Demas left off Paul as to not hazard his life for the Gospel, loving the temporary over eternal, or, it has been stated that he was not regenerate, which evidenced later in his life. I've yet to read any respectable authority that says he was once converted and then lost salvation.
I do not remember where I read it, but some old source says that he got married and Paul wanted him for gospel work.

Thats that "he loved the world [more]". But who knows.
 
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I do not remember where I read it, but some old source says that he got married and Paul wanted him for gospel work.

Thats that "he loved the world [more]". But who knows.
Wow, whoever said that must have been privy to the whole thing, lol! Never heard that one, but thanks! :D
 
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It seems to me that being saved in Christ doesn't magically grant us carte blanche to engage in any sort of sinful behavior that temptation sends our way. Or does it?
Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

FlSnookman7

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Can what we do cause us to lose salvation? Let's see what the Word says...


1 Corinthians 3:13-15 13 [FONT=&quot]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire

Titus 3:5 [FONT=&quot]He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

Colossians 2:13 [/FONT]
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

There are many other verses as well but the important thing to realize is what actually happens when we are saved. All of us inherited a dead spirit from adam, when we are saved God quickens (or makes alive) that spirit and combines it with the spirit of Jesus (hidden in Christ). That can never, ever be undone. Many churches especially the RCC and the church of Christ want people to believe that they can in fact lose salvation so they (these churches) can keep control over the people who attend them.

We can never out sin God's grace and even if someone who was truly saved "turned their back" on God they would still know He exists and who He is. It is God who both calls us and saves us for HIS pleasure not our own.

Once the Son makes you free you are free indeed and no power anywhere can change that.

John 10:27-29 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

When a sheep wanders off does the shepherd simply leave it to go on its own?? Of course not, in fact if he hass 100 sheep and one wanders off he will leave the 99 to search for the lost one.


Matthew 18:12-14 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

Trust God when He says we are sealed unto redemption and pray that those who want to assume they have the power over salvation come to see that such power is God's and God's alone.[/FONT]
 
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joefizz

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2 Timothy chapter 4 verse 10:For Demas hath forsaken me,having loved this present world,and is departed unto Thessalonica;
notice how scripture says Demas forsook paul Not Jesus,paul and Jesus are not one and the same,also...
Philemon Chp.1 verses 21-25 Having confidence in thy obedience I wrote unto thee,knowing that thou wilt also do more than I say.
But withal prepare me also a lodging:for I trust that through your prayers I shall be given unto you.
There salute thee Epaphras,my fellow prisoner in Christ Jesus;
Markus,Aristarchus,Demas,Lucas,my fellow labourers.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.Amen.
If Demas fell away from salvation then why would paul have him saluted just the same as the other workers for Jesus?
 
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Paul said Demus has left me for this present world
 
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No he is not but he was taught by Him. He was an apostle. He was a God inspired man.
 
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Paul said Demus has left me for this present world
John Mark left the apostles. Did he "lose his salvation?"

He also came back, and was profitable to Paul, did he get "saved again?"