Can something be a sin to one person but not to another?

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PJ just brought up an interesting point. Does us feeling "condemned" make an action a "sin?"

sin is sin willie like u said earlier. the thing is that mankind became sinners. its in our nature sin doesnt repulse us like it should, we became sons of adam and eve double mind is in our nature part good part evil. all from that darn fruit our poarents consumned.


what makes us feel "conviction" is our awareness that we are commiting sin, ( to Him that Knoweth and doeth it not to Him ir is sin" even those of us who feel as if were a done deal, im sure there are still things that fall short, but the conviction of Heart comes from awareness that we have sinned, Knowing sin is what caused Our Lords suffering. part of that is meant to win our Hearts and consciences to God and turn us against sin. the bloody battered, bruised, appauling lifeless body of Jesus is the fruit of sin.

some look at the cross as means to continue on without guilt, others see it as a glorious call to repentance and obedience. Not because of anything but that Heart that Belongs to Him that suffered and died.....thats a Man i will give my very best to.
 

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That has been changed in newer versions....I think to suit culture...I don't think it was originally thought to be a curse word, though, culture has changed the severity of the word...imo...anyhow. "


Honestly my friend i think what you are saying Here, really can be applied to alot of the current issues in the church that create things Like denomination and division,

what i mean is what you are saying is spot on, and its the same with many terms in the Bible, man has a way over time of bending Gods Word to fit our state of sinfulness, When the truth of Gods Word is meant to and is able to lift us up in times of need. Through changing our minds by simply accepting and believing Gods ways and forgetting Our ways.

if you think of it, anything man learns changes our minds, this is most often accomplished By studying information, By practicing and testing its function. for instance a highschool graduates Mind is Healthy and normal even Bright and promising.....But if they are going to be a doctor, they have to learn loads and loads of information, "Knowledge" changes our Minds. Thier minds from the day they graduate Highschool, and the day they graduate medical school, are two vastly different realms of thought. they spend around a decade in many cases submerged in all of the medical Knowledge and information thats available they " dwell" in and press forth into the understanding of the medical field until thier Minds just think Like a doctor so when its needed, they dont have to try to figure it out, they just do what they Know they are supposed to do because they have been " trained" it becomes natural through the Knowledge and practice of the subject studied.


through Gods word He makes a point to say " dwell in my words, keep them before you, believe them, trust them I am faithful, My words will come to pass...obey my commandments, you must do these things im telling you to do, Meditate on them, Keep my words in you, Live them ect.....

where as humans tend to go about it by mis understanding and sometimes re defining the terms Like " Faith" " Grace" "remission" ect or...we tend to "interpret it" Our way that allows for our own sin to continue without consequence so we dont need to lose the sinful things we love to participate in and do. we tend to shape Gods Word to fit man, when Gods Word is meant to shape us into His children.
Amen...I get what you are saying...sometimes people change things around for no other reason than that it is culturally acceptable or that is what they want it to say or what they want to do.

I firmly believe we need to follow the Lord's leading....I think we need to study and listen to the word of God and not just some denomination or other mans opinion.

I think that many are at different levels of understanding, though and we are held accountable by what we know... and this is what I think it was talking about when it said there are some thirty fold, some sixty fold, and some 100 fold. Which is not to say that we should not grow and increase our understanding though. That's just how I've always thought about it anyways :)
 
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Words are words for sure....To me context, offence, who is within ear shot etc....the same people who will drop a cow when someone cusses in their presence will pay for, rent and watch movies with the same verbiage or worse without batting an eye...
lol so true, little of topic here but you reminded me of something that happens were I work in the lunch room, one guy pretty much hates when he hears people talk about God and says he is sick of people talking about religion yet he doesn't know that being a athiest is a type of religion (a belief there is no God). makes me laugh when he gets upset. I could be wrong about the word religion but nonetheless athiest is a belief a faith in no God.
 
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a person could have an identity crisis reading this thread

it is a sin, it's not a sin, it's a sin to me but not to you, some sins are worse than others, it's only a sin if you think it is etc

waiting for someone to come along now and tell us Christians no longer sin

that will make it full circle and my minor ocd will resolve itself :p

perfection at last!
 

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Can something be a sin to one person but not to another?

For example, one person believes our body is our temple and drinking alcohol is a sin. Another person enjoys drinking beer. Would drinking be a sin for the first person but not the second?

Another example: One person believes you should only pray to God while another person prays to saints, or to guardian angels. Would praying to another besides God be a sin if the first person did it, but not a sin for the second person?

Third example: One person believes Saturday is the Sabbath. Another person worships on another day, say Sunday. Would worshiping on Sunday (and not on Saturday) be a sin to the first person but not to the second?

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I guess what I'm getting at is this: Is sin an absolute standard? Or does it depend upon one's own standards?
Sin is sin, God defines it, not us... Our perception of sin can vary, every individual needs to search the scriptures and digest the truth to the best of their understanding. Your example of alcohol; "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess" (Ephesians 5:18), but also; "Use a little wine for thy stomach's sake" (1 Timothy 5:23). So there's the answer.

Your second example is easy; Who did Jesus pray to? Never to saints or angels. The written word is where every Christian should seek clarification to eliminate confusion. As for the day a person worships, I doubt God cares if its Sat or Sun, but I would think He'd prefer everyday. For myself, the Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. He is our rest.. The Sabbath was "a mere shadow of what was to come; but the substance belongs to Christ" (Colossians 2:17).
 
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Sin is sin, God defines it, not us... Our perception of sin can vary, every individual needs to search the scriptures and digest the truth to the best of their understanding. Your example of alcohol; "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess" (Ephesians 5:18), but also; "Use a little wine for thy stomach's sake" (1 Timothy 5:23). So there's the answer.

Your second example is easy; Who did Jesus pray to? Never to saints or angels. The written word is where every Christian should seek clarification to eliminate confusion. As for the day a person worships, I doubt God cares if its Sat or Sun, but I would think He'd prefer everyday. For myself, the Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. He is our rest.. The Sabbath was "a mere shadow of what was to come; but the substance belongs to Christ" (Colossians 2:17).
Ecclesiastes 9:7
Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do.
 
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Amen...I get what you are saying...sometimes people change things around for no other reason than that it is culturally acceptable or that is what they want it to say or what they want to do.

I firmly believe we need to follow the Lord's leading....I think we need to study and listen to the word of God and not just some denomination or other mans opinion.

I think that many are at different levels of understanding, though and we are held accountable by what we know... and this is what I think it was talking about when it said there are some thirty fold, some sixty fold, and some 100 fold. Which is not to say that we should not grow and increase our understanding though. That's just how I've always thought about it anyways :)
yes i agree, i also have wondered myself regarding scripture Like Jesus saying this

Luke 14....And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

31Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."


this is Jesus in the midst of One of His powerful sermons teaching the Kingdom regarding the cost of the disciple. Myself I have learned that Gods Word is Living in those who accept it and keep it alive, and it truly does Work in us. when I first read " "if you will not give up everything you have you cannot be my disciple" and those clear words through the gospel that teach the same thing, it seemed almost oppressive to me Like God was against me it turns out I was Just really selfish inwardly back in the day, and while it pains me to say it, I simply Loved Myself More than Jesus, and More than others. I wanted what I wanted and didnt think God was really saying what He is saying.


the Key is to accept what God is saying, and let those things become a part of our Minds and Lives. when I read that same verse Now i think " Why would I have ever felt Like i had anything worth Keeping Before Jesus?" and realized that us giving up sin and self, is rewarded with the presence of God manifest in Our Hearts. then its not a comparison anymore ashes traded for Beauty by the Word of God
 
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a person could have an identity crisis reading this thread

it is a sin, it's not a sin, it's a sin to me but not to you, some sins are worse than others, it's only a sin if you think it is etc

waiting for someone to come along now and tell us Christians no longer sin

that will make it full circle and my minor ocd will resolve itself :p

perfection at last!

I think you may be disregarding scripture theres a difference in the covenants. you are looking at the first covenant between God almighty and sinners incapable of righteousness, a dead dying spirit trying to Live Like a child of God doesnt work.

the new covenant the beginning of it teaches that through Jesus, we receive the Spirit of God. so you then Have the new testament, the Son of God the Only begotten, teaching His disciples to walk in the spirit He was going to send.

obedience doesnt change, God doesnt change. the change is within the believer No holy spirit v the holy spirits power in us to walk as children of God. it is absolutely different for you and I you are accountable for what you Know and are given. I am accountable for what I know. thats a very consistant teaching of the new testament. its the very reason I cannot Judge you, and you cannot Judge me, because the Only Judge is with us each one.
 

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yes i agree, i also have wondered myself regarding scripture Like Jesus saying this

Luke 14....And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

31Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."


this is Jesus in the midst of One of His powerful sermons teaching the Kingdom regarding the cost of the disciple. Myself I have learned that Gods Word is Living in those who accept it and keep it alive, and it truly does Work in us. when I first read " "if you will not give up everything you have you cannot be my disciple" and those clear words through the gospel that teach the same thing, it seemed almost oppressive to me Like God was against me it turns out I was Just really selfish inwardly back in the day, and while it pains me to say it, I simply Loved Myself More than Jesus, and More than others. I wanted what I wanted and didnt think God was really saying what He is saying.


the Key is to accept what God is saying, and let those things become a part of our Minds and Lives. when I read that same verse Now i think " Why would I have ever felt Like i had anything worth Keeping Before Jesus?" and realized that us giving up sin and self, is rewarded with the presence of God manifest in Our Hearts. then its not a comparison anymore ashes traded for Beauty by the Word of God
Yes, I agree we have to put the Lord first above all else. And Honestly I went through the same thing you did with it...

I struggled with wanting to hold on to things and keep doing things that I shouldn't have. I would try to make excuses for it, but there was never any peace in that for me.

Like you said, I was just being selfish and putting my self first . But thank God, I came to the realization that nothing in this world could ever compare to God. :)
 
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PJ just brought up an interesting point. Does us feeling "condemned" make an action a "sin?"
No. Not necessarily. Satan used to convince me all of the time that to be tempted was sin. I got wise to him and one day said: no, it is you who is sinning! I would begin to fume over something done or said to me, and if I fell into the muttering and murdering thoughts about how I was treated, yes, I was sinning, I believe. But if I resisted him and cried to God that my feet were slipping, He would take me out of it and fill me with love for the person instead of hate.
 

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No. Not necessarily. Satan used to convince me all of the time that to be tempted was sin. I got wise to him and one day said: no, it is you who is sinning! I would begin to fume over something done or said to me, and if I fell into the muttering and murdering thoughts about how I was treated, yes, I was sinning, I believe. But if I resisted him and cried to God that my feet were slipping, He would take me out of it and fill me with love for the person instead of hate.
Amen... I have went through the same thing with the enemy...He likes to come at us with temptations and then make us feel condemned for just having a thought...Like you, I have learned that it isn't a sin if I rebuke it and call upon God. However, it does become a sin if I dwell upon it and give into it.
 

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What are the specific sins--sins that are not left up to our conscience? (Is there agreement among Christians on these--or are they too subject to debate? I'm guessing debate. lol)
Galations 5:19-21 and I added 22-26 for how to act.
[FONT=&quot]19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited,provoking and envying each other.[/FONT]
 

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Sin is sin folks . What is sin for one is a sin for all .
I do think is that what may lead to sin in one brother or sister will not lead to sin a another .
Example drinking . I am a recovered drunk if I drink I may not want to stop at one and things get ugly.
Another brother or sister may have a drink socially and no probs . Get it ?
Blessings
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If you drink that is an eating of meat issue. And Paul already told us if it causes another person to sin we do not do it. Sin is never our own standards sin is what is missing the mark to G-d’s standards always. If I can be good about my behavior in front of Him and no need to be forgiven because I am holy as He is Holy well then my behavior is all good, if not then maybe I am in sin and need to repent and change.
It is a strange thing…. The Scripture is very clear on universal sin: you shall not commit adultery… Old Testament, New Testament. Thou shall not bear false witness… same OT/NT. Cut and dry.

Always universal, thou shall have no other gods before Me. This is where it can become individual. What becomes a god for one may not be for someone else, like alcohol. But yes. Praying to any other entity other than G-d is sin. Not to mention worthless. Dead people are dead, and angles obey G-d not man. Ok G-d is the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and, Jacob not was the G-d of… they are still living in heaven under G-d, they have not become gods. So, therefore, Mary, Peter, and every other are dead yet alive in heaven but never G-d or god. What will dead Mary do for me!?! She is NOT HERE!!! G-D IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get to go boldly to the throne of grace and receive mercy… So if you pray to a false god like Mary, you are in sin.
 

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Sin is sin, God defines it, not us... Our perception of sin can vary, every individual needs to search the scriptures and digest the truth to the best of their understanding. Your example of alcohol; "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess" (Ephesians 5:18), but also; "Use a little wine for thy stomach's sake" (1 Timothy 5:23). So there's the answer.

Your second example is easy; Who did Jesus pray to? Never to saints or angels. The written word is where every Christian should seek clarification to eliminate confusion. As for the day a person worships, I doubt God cares if its Sat or Sun, but I would think He'd prefer everyday. For myself, the Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. He is our rest.. The Sabbath was "a mere shadow of what was to come; but the substance belongs to Christ" (Colossians 2:17).
Agreed! Sin is sin, as defined by God to each of us, on each person's conscience. That still leaves us with the situation that something may be sin to one person but not be sin to another. This seems consistent with what Paul said in Romans:

14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Rom. 14:14
 
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I think you may be disregarding scripture theres a difference in the covenants. you are looking at the first covenant between God almighty and sinners incapable of righteousness, a dead dying spirit trying to Live Like a child of God doesnt work.

the new covenant the beginning of it teaches that through Jesus, we receive the Spirit of God. so you then Have the new testament, the Son of God the Only begotten, teaching His disciples to walk in the spirit He was going to send.

obedience doesnt change, God doesnt change. the change is within the believer No holy spirit v the holy spirits power in us to walk as children of God. it is absolutely different for you and I you are accountable for what you Know and are given. I am accountable for what I know. thats a very consistant teaching of the new testament. its the very reason I cannot Judge you, and you cannot Judge me, because the Only Judge is with us each one.
I think you took my post seriously when it was not meant to be taken seriously

that can happen sometimes when a person determines that everyone needs a spiritual health checkup and they are more than willing to hand one out

it was a joke dude

however, the description of people responding is certainly accurate enough

no worries. sin is missing the mark...God's mark. period

and it is sin and not sins

you do alot of assuming about what I know and do not know . that may be a sin too...:p

ps...I find this type of thing boorish, so you may continue without me
 
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Can something be a sin to one person but not to another?

For example, one person believes our body is our temple and drinking alcohol is a sin. Another person enjoys drinking beer. Would drinking be a sin for the first person but not the second?

Another example: One person believes you should only pray to God while another person prays to saints, or to guardian angels. Would praying to another besides God be a sin if the first person did it, but not a sin for the second person?

Third example: One person believes Saturday is the Sabbath. Another person worships on another day, say Sunday. Would worshiping on Sunday (and not on Saturday) be a sin to the first person but not to the second?

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I guess what I'm getting at is this: Is sin an absolute standard? Or does it depend upon one's own standards?
The bible talks about this, using the example that a vegetarian thinks it's wrong to eat meat, and a person who eats meat does not think it's wrong. It says to let the vegetarian do that onto God for his conscience' sake, and not to eat meat in front of him if it bothers his conscience.

To those who never even seen a bible, it says that their conscience serves as a law onto themselves. (To those who can read a bible and understand it, yet refuse to, they are guilty of disobeying every scripture they refused to read). For the Bible says "He who knows the good he ought to do, yet chooses not to do it, sins." So yeah, it is possible to not know something is a sin. But we are not found guilty of that sin unless we know it is a sin before we do it. This is why Satan asked Eve if God really said not to eat of the fruit- to incriminate her. In this way, it is possible for it to be a sin to one and not counted as sin to another.

But don't cause your brother to stumble. For example, we know it is not wrong to drink alcohol, it's only wrong to get drunk (I think alcohol is disgusting, but to each their own). But if any alcohol at all bothers your brother's conscience, don't drink it in front of him. Or if you have a known alcoholic over for dinner, you should not only not drink it in front of him, but put it out of his sight before he arrives.








NOTE: About vegetarian / vegan Christians... The Bible calls them 'weaker brothers'. For if they were strong in the scriptures they would know that God Himself prophesied in Genesis that He will one day give us every creature for food- just as He gave us the green herb. Not that we have to eat every creature, just that it would no longer be religiously wrong. And during the Old Testament feasts, God commanded that they eat from the flock and from the herd. I asked a vegan "Is it wrong to eat fish?" He answered "yes." Jesus ate fish, and He never sinned. Not only that, He lived under the old law (before He changed it)- which means He ate from the flock and from the herd.

So they might feel that it is wrong, but it is not wrong, if it's life-blood is cooked out of it. BUT what they cannot do is force on others the burden of also refraining altogether just because they do. Tell them there's no verse for that. I had a 'no alcohol' one be so rediculous that they told me it's wrong to eat at a restaurant that serves alcohol, or even go to a grocery store that sells alcohol. They called it "an appearance of evil." They cannot force the laws of their own consciences onto other people. They need to show you a scripture stating that it's wrong.
 

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with regards to the question posed in the Title of this Thread...........YES. Have you NOT read the Epistles of Paul?
 
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Yes, I agree we have to put the Lord first above all else. And Honestly I went through the same thing you did with it...

I struggled with wanting to hold on to things and keep doing things that I shouldn't have. I would try to make excuses for it, but there was never any peace in that for me.

Like you said, I was just being selfish and putting my self first . But thank God, I came to the realization that nothing in this world could ever compare to God. :)
amen i think thats a pretty consistant part of a christian Life, and a lifelong process really. Like children we grow, Learn, develop we get stronger as we grow, wiser through introspection and getting in tune with our true God given conscience, that is created By Gods Word, as are all things created. its really a wonderful journey Believers gt to partake in, the laying down of self more and more really and truly does lead to an experience of ongoing freedom.

i think the promise carried through the law and prophets of a "circumcision of mans wicked Heart" and a restoration of "a New and clean Heart before God" really is what we are talking about, By Gods Word in the Gospel, Our Hearts are circumcised through the Knowledge of Jesus Christ and the True Word of God He delivered. the term " Hearts" there obviously isnt our physical Heart but more Our Minds, our thinking, Our consciences, the inner Heart. i think that a sinners Heart is in us all from birth to some extent whether alot of darkness or a little, and the gospel through faith transforms us as we Go. if Our Hearts are renewed within us, Our actions will always change for the better.

thou each of us are on our own specific journey, some beginning at disadvantage living extremely difficult Lives from birth, while another may have every privilage and be a pastors child raised with good sense. so Our paths are different, But Our God and His ways will never change. awesome is God and great are His ways !

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