Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

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Will the nonelect ever be born-again?

  • The nonelect can be born-again.

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We will all find out.

Actually we already know that it IS in fact God's will that all be saved which makes limited atonement to be fake gospel

See Post #24 for scriptural proof




That's exactly where people that teach heresy go!



How can we explain all of these away, without disposing them or skimming over them

Scripture twisting which is satan's specialty, along with ignoring the whole counsel of God.

Where these people go, it's not going to be nuthin nice disagree.gif
 

MerSee

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Actually we already know that it IS in fact God's will that all be saved which makes limited atonement to be fake gospel

See Post #24 for scriptural proof






That's exactly where people that teach heresy go!






Scripture twisting which is satan's specialty, along with ignoring the whole counsel of God.

Where these people go, it's not going to be nuthin nice View attachment 261670
Do you believe the nonelect will ever be born-again?
 

MerSee

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I don’t think there’s such a thing as “nonelect.” Those who come to the Lord are “elect.” Thoughts?
Do you believe only the elect can be born-again?
 
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Limited Atonement is FALSE
calvinism is false doctrine!

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
Read John 6, 8, and 10. Jesus clearly teaches that God chooses all believers and holds onto them until he resurrects them to follow him into eternity. You must interpret the so-called universalist passages in their contexts, which limit them. Salvation is available for all, but humans are fully responsible for their rejection of that free gift.
 

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Read John 6, 8, and 10. Jesus clearly teaches that God chooses all believers and holds onto them until he resurrects them to follow him into eternity. You must interpret the so-called universalist passages in their contexts, which limit them. Salvation is available for all, but humans are fully responsible for their rejection of that free gift.
You have put two contradictory things together. If salvation is available "for all" then God does not elect any for salvation. You cannot have it both ways. And election is never for salvation, exactly because of what you just said -- salvation is offered to all.
 

MerSee

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You have put two contradictory things together. If salvation is available "for all" then God does not elect any for salvation. You cannot have it both ways. And election is never for salvation, exactly because of what you just said -- salvation is offered to all.
Can only the elect ever be born again?
 

CS1

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#53
Truth is no one knows who is elect but God. The qestion is moot.
 

MerSee

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Enlighten me towards your thinking. Can only the elect ever be born again?
 
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Actually we already know that it IS in fact God's will that all be saved which makes limited atonement to be fake gospel

See Post #24 for scriptural proof






That's exactly where people that teach heresy go!






Scripture twisting which is satan's specialty, along with ignoring the whole counsel of God.

Where these people go, it's not going to be nuthin nice View attachment 261670
Trampling over 120 scriptures is Satan's specialty. Those that do it have a date with the lake of fire
 
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I don’t think there’s such a thing as “nonelect.” Those who come to the Lord are “elect.” Thoughts?
The correct term is "Reprobate" those that God leaves in their sin and condemnation. In other words they cannot be born again or elect
 

PaulThomson

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Truth is no one knows who is elect but God. The qestion is moot.
Those in Christ by grace through faith are elect. I know I am elect. When I trusted in Christ I became elect. Before that I was without Christ, an alien from the commonwealth of Israel, a stranger from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world. But now in Christ I have been made near by the blood of Christ and I have access by one Spirit to the father. Eph 2:12-18
 

CS1

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Those in Christ by grace through faith are elect. I know I am elect. When I trusted in Christ I became elect. Before that I was without Christ, an alien from the commonwealth of Israel, a stranger from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world. But now in Christ I have been made near by the blood of Christ and I have access by one Spirit to the father. Eph 2:12-18

Elect in Hebrew and Greek means chosen. The Lord Jesus said in Matthew 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


Paul said :

in Colossians 3:12

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;


Calvinists talk about the "Elect." in context to exclusionary, not that God is seeking That none should perish.
 

CS1

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Those in Christ by grace through faith are elect. I know I am elect. When I trusted in Christ I became elect. Before that I was without Christ, an alien from the commonwealth of Israel, a stranger from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world. But now in Christ I have been made near by the blood of Christ and I have access by one Spirit to the father. Eph 2:12-18
There you go, and you would be nothing without the Blood of Christ.