Can You Actually KNOW?

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The more I learn the less likely it seems that a person can ever know(and be right) that they will be saved in the end. It seems that it really depends on how you finish and it seems to be beyond simply trusting in Christ. Faith until the end is essential, however being in the state many of us find ourselves(that is to say, "works in progress"--much needing to be corrected) how do we know we will eventually meet the criteria laid out in the bible?

Some schools of thought find assurance in "perseverance of the saints," referencing texts such as "(Php 1:6) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"

Some schools of thought will tell me exactly what I'm asking. "You can never know."

Other schools of thought find assurance in speaking in tongues or baptism.

Others just "know that they know" and can "feel" that they will be saved.

I am not trying to dig a rabbit hole by mentioning these other views but just wanted to show some different examples. I make no statement on the validity of either view. I simply don't know.

Must we just trust that we will be saved in order to be saved? Trusting that although it seems impossible at times, that if we keep believing that somehow someway God can make the impossible possible?

I can think of nothing more amazing than having true and correct assurance. I imagine it would produce such peace and fruit in your life, and a gratitude that would change you. I've come close before. And when I was closest to grasping that assurance major trials sprung up left and right.

I'll be upfront and state that as usual this is a selfishly motivated post but I hope somebody out there can be edified by any answers this thread might receive.

Thank you. :)
 
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Think of it this way. Who would be more thankful, the one who hopes they will receive a million dollars if they hang in there; or the one who believes it is secure in their bank account?
Our assurance is found outside us on a Tree at Calvary 2000 years ago.
 
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I think it takes faith and trust in God that He will do what He says He will do at the end. I dont think one part of my flesh believes I will be saved but I know deep down in my spirit that I will be. I think we also need to have confidence in that otherwise how can you possibly live and walk with God if not??
 
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Do you love God? If you love God then you know.
 
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JDecree said:
The more I learn the less likely it seems that a person can ever know(and be right) that they will be saved in the end. It seems that it really depends on how you finish and it seems to be beyond simply trusting in Christ. Faith until the end is essential, however being in the state many of us find ourselves(that is to say, "works in progress"--much needing to be corrected) how do we know we will eventually meet the criteria laid out in the bible?

Some schools of thought find assurance in "perseverance of the saints," referencing texts such as "(Php 1:6) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"

Some schools of thought will tell me exactly what I'm asking. "You can never know."

Other schools of thought find assurance in speaking in tongues or baptism.

Others just "know that they know" and can "feel" that they will be saved.

I am not trying to dig a rabbit hole by mentioning these other views but just wanted to show some different examples. I make no statement on the validity of either view. I simply don't know.

Must we just trust that we will be saved in order to be saved? Trusting that although it seems impossible at times, that if we keep believing that somehow someway God can make the impossible possible?

I can think of nothing more amazing than having true and correct assurance. I imagine it would produce such peace and fruit in your life, and a gratitude that would change you. I've come close before. And when I was closest to grasping that assurance major trials sprung up left and right.

I'll be upfront and state that as usual this is a selfishly motivated post but I hope somebody out there can be edified by any answers this thread might receive.

Thank you. :)
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Read 1 John 5.

Give particular consideration to this verse:


1 John 5:

[SUP]13[/SUP] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


"Yes, you can actually know..." :D

:)
 
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I prefer the first school of thought. My assurance is based on God's promises, not my feelings.
Romans 8:14-16
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1 John 5:10-13
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 
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Absolutely you know!

The doubt means that the holy spirit is telling you you havent got it yet.
so
get it
Nicodemus KNEW he was right
Jesus told him, Nicodemus, except you BECOME born again you arent going..."

answer is to be born again

You have to decide which contry you want to belong to, Heaven '
or US or china or whatever.

You know
you know if you made that choice.
If you give your whole heart and soul and mind to Jesus and care about nothing else but his work for him you know
if you dont have it
and you want it

it is very easy

Get off the internet
go to your closet or room lock the door and pray
tell him what you want
I love you I am bad I cant do anything I am selfish but I want you more than enything and I give you my whole life from now on forever
please make me be born again
I will follow your WORD OF GOD above whatever anyone else says
That means stop relying on others
start reading and following jjust as fast as you read it pray each verse
a nd have him next to you for eternity
YOu know
you talk to him
he responds as your consciencevoice
and give you answers and questions
tell him every problem
born again
a heart that wants to do right all the time
ask for it
dont leave your closet tonight till you know.
you will know.
 
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lookuptoseeJesus

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IT did for the woman at the well

When you are worried, that means the spirit is calling you to come to Jesus something is wrong.
thats what it means
So no problem if you listen and go to Jesus.

Just go to him
ask him to take you
to give you his holy spirit and he will.
and you if you meet the conditions, (total commitment to Jesus forever)
he will cleanse you and purify you by his blood in an instant
and if you remain in love with him you cannot be lost.
 
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Rom 8:31-38
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Just as it is written,
“FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG;
WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED.”

But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.
For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 6 37-40
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

Heb 11:1
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

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lookuptoseeJesus

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EVeryday the relationship becomes stronger as you pray.
and commit your life to him every day.100%

all that come to me I willl in no wise cast out
that is right

go to him and stay with him.
 
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lookuptoseeJesus

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If you are not sure if you have a relationship
you dont

so go get one
it is easy
all that come to him you will not be cast out
so go already.
 
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Karraster

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Since our Father knows the end from the beginning, and gave His children to the Messiah, and He is the author and finnisher of our faith, the work He started in us (keep his commandments and believe we were bought by Messiah) continue in His Word, work out our salvation with fear and pray without ceasing. Depend on Him daily, ask for that "peace that surpasses all understanding) Not by our power or might, but by His Spirit we can run the race to the finish.
 
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This walk goes something like 3 steps forward and two steps back...on our best day:rolleyes:
 
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Yes you can know, with full assurance. God wants you too.

Jesus Christ died for your sins. All of them, past, present & future... before you were born. This is known as "sins that are past through the forbearance of God", because God shows us in various points of Scripture His view is "without controversy"- it is finished. Our Salvation is in a person, because of an event that took place in our behalf. The wages of sin is death. Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree. He made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. He was delivered for our offences and raised for our justification. The righteousness of God is what we need and that is a free gift when we trust in the faith of Christ and what He did for us on that cross plus nothing else. He says in Scripture,"Believe in God, believe also in me", " I do not give as the world gives"... You can trust Christ for your complete soul salvation and believe the testimony of God the Father about His Son, "For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God." Grace is freely given, but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ to those who believe the Gospel of our salvation. We become sealed, made alive to God, received into His family. Our identity is in a position & standing as purchased possessions awaiting the redemption of our bodies, not our soul salvation that is secured the moment we trust Christ for the forgiveness of all our sins, that is when we become sanctified by His work & faith, which is credited to our account as "heirs, adopted, washed, holy, unreprovable" in His sight.

I could go on and on;

God is not willing that any should parish, but that all men everywhere should repent and be saved "come unto the knowledge of the truth" and be ye reconciled to God. God only requires one thing for the salvation of our souls, put your trust in the faith of Christ who has been set forth as a propitiation for all sins. God cannot lie, read Romans 3-5 kjv about the mechanics of getting out of Adam and in Christ, who is the Saviour of the body, we are His body, when we are unfaithful He remains faithful, because He cannot deny Himself. When we are judged, the new creature, at the judgment seat, it is not for sin.

Smiling, somebody stop me, lol- I love knowing! (I may come back here, haha)


"And the very peace of God sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit, soul and body be preserved BLAMELESS unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He that calleth you, who will also do it.


To the glory of God.
 
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JDecree said:
The more I learn the less likely it seems that a person can ever know(and be right) that they will be saved in the end. It seems that it really depends on how you finish and it seems to be beyond simply trusting in Christ. Faith until the end is essential, however being in the state many of us find ourselves(that is to say, "works in progress"--much needing to be corrected) how do we know we will eventually meet the criteria laid out in the bible?

Some schools of thought find assurance in "perseverance of the saints," referencing texts such as "(Php 1:6) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"

Some schools of thought will tell me exactly what I'm asking. "You can never know."

Other schools of thought find assurance in speaking in tongues or baptism.

Others just "know that they know" and can "feel" that they will be saved.

I am not trying to dig a rabbit hole by mentioning these other views but just wanted to show some different examples. I make no statement on the validity of either view. I simply don't know.

Must we just trust that we will be saved in order to be saved? Trusting that although it seems impossible at times, that if we keep believing that somehow someway God can make the impossible possible?

I can think of nothing more amazing than having true and correct assurance. I imagine it would produce such peace and fruit in your life, and a gratitude that would change you. I've come close before. And when I was closest to grasping that assurance major trials sprung up left and right.

I'll be upfront and state that as usual this is a selfishly motivated post but I hope somebody out there can be edified by any answers this thread might receive.

Thank you. :)
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Well Christ said the following concerning the matter of provision, but I think the overall concept still applies to your concern:

Matthew 6:34
“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.​

Keep your focus on today. Do your best not to sin today. Allow Christ to shape you from who you are today into more of his image. Today, when you wake, make just THIS time frame your mission (don't worry about tomorrow)...so that if the end was *today* you know you did your best, even if you stumble. This is why we're immediately supposed to ask for forgiveness when we do sin, and repent, because all we have is today. Then when today is through...and you go to sleep...rest because you know you've met the criteria (as you put it). You've successfully ran this leg of the endurance race.

A person can be so focused on tomorrow, or on a week from now; or on months or years later; or on Judgment day, so much that they prejudge themselves based on how they are today, and give up because they're presently not where they feel they should be "then". But God's grace/power IS sufficient. This is a journey we take...one day at a time.
 
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