Can you love your enemy
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God bless you in all wisdom and riches in Christ. You have wealth in heaven.
Matthew 6:19-22 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Matthew 6:19-22 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
you are a joker hmm you are mocking God hmm God is Justice and Judgement hmmm
Jeremiah 18:8If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
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For the wicked God will seek justice and judgement. But, aren't those in Christ under grace?
Are we not to go and preach Christ and his grace.
Teaching a revengeful God is a preaching of condemnation and causes such things as wars from the zealous, witch hunts brought about by fear.
Do you not know, that we have not been given the spirit of fear, but the Spirit of adoption. We, those in Christ, have a Father and not a Destroyer.
Are we not to go and preach Christ and his grace.
Teaching a revengeful God is a preaching of condemnation and causes such things as wars from the zealous, witch hunts brought about by fear.
Do you not know, that we have not been given the spirit of fear, but the Spirit of adoption. We, those in Christ, have a Father and not a Destroyer.
A couple of months ago I started a thread called "I'm sick of arguing." It ended up with an argument severe enough to be closed down. So when I become evasive, that might be one of the reasons. I just got burnt out. After beating my head against the wall of purposeful rejection of not wanting to see the truth, I wound up ignoring some, and then busied myself in writing a book, and now I am into writing about the Feast of Tabernacles. Some people just refuse to stop and comprehend something that is against what they have learned as supposed true doctrine. When other scripture that jeopardizes that doctrine, the arguing starts with a stiff-necked defense, and reconciliation and edification is obliterated and crucified putting Jesus to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
I still contribute where I feel it will be learning and instruction of the real truth. I am saddened by the refusal to grow in the teaching of the Spirit, and how ALL scripture applies. Some will inwardly hate this verse when they wrongly divide the truth.
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Some will say the Spirit teaches them today, without the law, and the Law of Moses doesn’t apply in spiritual matters. That is so very wrong to have that mindset. It is a willful stalemate. If we are Spirit led, then we will be subject to the law, and understand its rightful place in the Christian walk. I read that the law, and commandments are spiritual, holy, just, and good. That’s Paul speaking. Yet some will ask; “Who are you going to follow, Paul or Moses?” My answer is both! Hello?
Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
I’ll come right out with it after saying all I have. I question with all gravity the indwelling Spirit in those who talk with rhetoric demeaning the Mosaic law. I personally don’t believe they have it, cause they cannot grasp it.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
I still contribute where I feel it will be learning and instruction of the real truth. I am saddened by the refusal to grow in the teaching of the Spirit, and how ALL scripture applies. Some will inwardly hate this verse when they wrongly divide the truth.
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Some will say the Spirit teaches them today, without the law, and the Law of Moses doesn’t apply in spiritual matters. That is so very wrong to have that mindset. It is a willful stalemate. If we are Spirit led, then we will be subject to the law, and understand its rightful place in the Christian walk. I read that the law, and commandments are spiritual, holy, just, and good. That’s Paul speaking. Yet some will ask; “Who are you going to follow, Paul or Moses?” My answer is both! Hello?
Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
I’ll come right out with it after saying all I have. I question with all gravity the indwelling Spirit in those who talk with rhetoric demeaning the Mosaic law. I personally don’t believe they have it, cause they cannot grasp it.
What I said may not be taken as a loving gesture, yet I would say when the day ends, and we are no longer in this world, will we question our own motives in retrospect, if we didn't do all we could to help others by shedding light on darkness. Do we not want to hear from Jesus "well done," despite being hated? I would say the choice is obvious, but one cannot do their job and think they will escape ridicule.
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if any christian was genuinely interested in transformation to a higher spiritual
awareness then this would happen. IE The believer would actually live their faith.
But many, not pointing the finger at everyone, are quite happy to continue with the status quo.
Taking it a step forward I propose that Religion generally provides a mechanism for
diversion from the business of real spiritual transformation.
People will hold onto their present state for dear life.
We are afraid of the light and the dark.
A christian life emulating what Jesus reportedly did and did not do is
of course impossible because the sins are so many and without context.
EG Is it ok to steal if you are starving.
Is it ok to hurt someone if they want you to (EG torture versus masochistm)
Is it ok to kill someone (if you feel you need to)?
the transformation becomes a token effort and all that happens is the person
has a closed mind as to what is good/bad (christian values) or Honour/dishonour
(Muslim Values)
Thats why You cannot love your enemies, because you cannot Love what you deem to be bad.
The problem stems from the fact that this love you are lining up to bestow on someone is false love.
An emulation of the real thing provided by the self as a distraction.
But Love is an unconditional thing, Anything that is called love that is attached to a
condition is false love. Akin to prostitution. A payment for a service.
If you love something you must respect its freedom.
Yahwehs' love (and Jesus') is often conditional mixed with unconditional love to confuse
those who do not know what real Love is and the laws under which it functions in the universe.
The fact is that our selves are incapable of true love since EGO is our false side.
It can only emulate love, by saying you love this and that but not this and this.
It has a bias that is our selfishness and greed (evolutionary).
Our spirit (true side) is the agency responsible for Love.
Our spirit cannot function while the self is in self chatter of selfishness.
You cannot be angry and unloving at the office and then go home and say
you love this and that.. It ego talking.
Love is a state of mind or way of being.
It is an unfolding Love.
It is a love everybody and everything (trending) state achieved
First by realising that ego cannot control or experience Love in its selfish ego mode,
where everything is filtered into good and bad (according to the word.)
Thats the only way to Love your enemies is to transform into the Love everything state of being...
= Presence.
Rev. Hydrogen
awareness then this would happen. IE The believer would actually live their faith.
But many, not pointing the finger at everyone, are quite happy to continue with the status quo.
Taking it a step forward I propose that Religion generally provides a mechanism for
diversion from the business of real spiritual transformation.
People will hold onto their present state for dear life.
We are afraid of the light and the dark.
A christian life emulating what Jesus reportedly did and did not do is
of course impossible because the sins are so many and without context.
EG Is it ok to steal if you are starving.
Is it ok to hurt someone if they want you to (EG torture versus masochistm)
Is it ok to kill someone (if you feel you need to)?
the transformation becomes a token effort and all that happens is the person
has a closed mind as to what is good/bad (christian values) or Honour/dishonour
(Muslim Values)
Thats why You cannot love your enemies, because you cannot Love what you deem to be bad.
The problem stems from the fact that this love you are lining up to bestow on someone is false love.
An emulation of the real thing provided by the self as a distraction.
But Love is an unconditional thing, Anything that is called love that is attached to a
condition is false love. Akin to prostitution. A payment for a service.
If you love something you must respect its freedom.
Yahwehs' love (and Jesus') is often conditional mixed with unconditional love to confuse
those who do not know what real Love is and the laws under which it functions in the universe.
The fact is that our selves are incapable of true love since EGO is our false side.
It can only emulate love, by saying you love this and that but not this and this.
It has a bias that is our selfishness and greed (evolutionary).
Our spirit (true side) is the agency responsible for Love.
Our spirit cannot function while the self is in self chatter of selfishness.
You cannot be angry and unloving at the office and then go home and say
you love this and that.. It ego talking.
Love is a state of mind or way of being.
It is an unfolding Love.
It is a love everybody and everything (trending) state achieved
First by realising that ego cannot control or experience Love in its selfish ego mode,
where everything is filtered into good and bad (according to the word.)
Thats the only way to Love your enemies is to transform into the Love everything state of being...
= Presence.
Rev. Hydrogen
This post is about loving your enemies and if you can love what you view a enemy. It is greatly appreciated that you keep you comments to the topic given and not have a battle of wits concerning other topics. This is not good to a post to derail the post to your own private battle. Thank you
iwant2serve
iwant2serve
Can you love a Tiger? (He! He!)
I had a friend (José Medina) who I think he is in France now. We worked for Minera Loma de Niquel, here in Venezuela. He was my infield boss.
I don´t mind having friends (real ones are known) but I don´t like "stickers" of avatars or faces as those any think they have on FB.
CC is a better place to share, to find some fellowship... Thanks!
I had a friend (José Medina) who I think he is in France now. We worked for Minera Loma de Niquel, here in Venezuela. He was my infield boss.
I don´t mind having friends (real ones are known) but I don´t like "stickers" of avatars or faces as those any think they have on FB.
CC is a better place to share, to find some fellowship... Thanks!
Loving your enemies is an oxymoron, if you love them, they can't be your enemy. I believe Jesus was referring to a spiritual love, which is why he said to pray for them. Praying for our enemies is not necessarily a pleasant thing if God chooses to correct them, but it is never-the-less an act of love. Jesus said, "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea" (Matthew 18:6).
The idea is to overcome evil with good, and not to return hate for hate. If we lower ourselves to that mind-set, we inevitably escalate the problem, but we know vengeance belongs to God. By the same token, I don't believe Christians are required to willfully subject themselves to would-be enemies; "If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him" (Luke 17:3). And Paul said, "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men" (Romans 12:18).
The idea is to overcome evil with good, and not to return hate for hate. If we lower ourselves to that mind-set, we inevitably escalate the problem, but we know vengeance belongs to God. By the same token, I don't believe Christians are required to willfully subject themselves to would-be enemies; "If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him" (Luke 17:3). And Paul said, "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men" (Romans 12:18).
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