Can't Eat Anything You Want And Just Pray Over It

megaman125 · Nov 4, 2012

Tan said:

I understand how you feel you are welcome to believe what you want, eat what you what want. The choice is yours, but keep this in mind what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Let continue with Paul. Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Nowlets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body, with unholiness or UnGodliness.

I'm pretty sure the parts about sin would apply to most people. But we have this thing called grace and forgiveness, which you didn't even mention here. Instead, you propose that we have to enter heaven by earning it with our good works. That is nothing more than false teaching, and taking Bible passages out of context, since the Bible doesn't teach that we have to earn our way to heaven, but rather, the Bible teaches the opposite.

Tan · Nov 5, 2012

megaman125 said:

Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord. To teach someone that all they have to do is believe on Christ and you are saved is a doctrine of the devil. Many who teach eternal security teach that once a man is saved no matter how wicked he becomes he is still saved. Thus the teaching “once saved always saved”. Then you asked them what are you saved from? Or how did you obtain your salvation? And most cannot answer these questions. Some even say that sense I have been “saved” I am living a sinless life.

Paul explained this in; (Heb.10: 26,27) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

RichardofTruth · Nov 5, 2012

I agree.
The health laws still are in affect.
Don't try to buy veges from Japan nuclear zone and just pray over them and eat them.
Dont eat pork who they dont even inspect because they would find too many worms that live in your brain (and trichinosis, which makes athletes weak and painful)
dont eat catfish, they are bottom feeders and have chemical toxins and mercury to extreme levels

look, God knew what he was talking about.

Tan · Nov 6, 2012

RichardofTruth said:

Thats sound gross, but you are 115% correct. Because, in the scriptures its written...
To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten. Leviticus 11:46-47 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Leviticus 11:44)

megaman125 · Nov 6, 2012

Tan said:

Good thing I don't teach once saved always saved, but it seems you were to busy making more random and false assumptions to notice or care. But of course, that's what you needed to do in order to evade what I was actually talking about.

Tan · Nov 7, 2012

megaman125 said:

If I miss understood something let me know, so we can get some understanding here. All I ask is that you post scriptures and verses to go with what you are saying

megaman125 · Nov 7, 2012

Tan said:

Oh sure, I can do that. What things do you need me to post verses about?

Tan · Nov 8, 2012

megaman125 said:

You said," I made more random and false assumptions," so here is the time for you to, let me know, what was my random and false assumptions.

megaman125 · Nov 8, 2012

Tan said:

Sure, I can quote your previous post that I quoted and break it down on what your false assumptions were.

Tan said:

I don't deny any of this.

The Bible disagrees with you here.

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Acts 16:31

because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9

And here's your false assumption, because I don't teach that, and you can't quote a post of mine where I do. I'd reference Hebrews 10:26-29, but it seems you've already done that for me. I could also reference 1 Timothy 4:1, or even dig up a dozen other passages throughout the old and new testament that talk about losing salvation.

Given how this chunk is reliant on the false assumption I was teaching OSAS, this isn't really relevant anymore, since it's directed to OSAS teachers, or do you still want me to answer them?

Mediate · Nov 9, 2012

Belief is more than profession.

For one who knows love gives their life and possessions up to the poor. This is cause and effect.

If all we have to do is say 'Oh yea, Jesus died and He was a real person', and expect taht we have saved ourselves, it is flawed. Only Jesus paid for our sins, not us. But our HONOURMENT is faith and love. It is all that is left for us. Our honourment affords us the life that Jesus wishes for us, of peace and joy in the will and ways of God.

Belief is more than profession.

And there is nobody that can do as much as to afford them their salvation for this is what Jesus died for: the sins of ALL the world.

In belief, and practice, we are 'Saved' from the Earthy consequences of sin as Adam and Eve paid.

Saved from the guilt of sin. Saved from its effects. Saved from the destruction it causes. For I have been called ot be free and can do as I please. BUT NOT ALL IS BENIFICIAL. Indulging the flesh serves no purpose but for myself. As does the idea that what I do gets me to heaven. For then all I do is for 'a place amongst the angels'.

It has no bearing on a place in heaven.

Those who will not enter the kingdom of God, are those who will not CHANGE. For the Kingdom of God is within us. This is self explanatory logic. If I do bad things, bad things will happen. For I have done them. If I look into myself and mould my mind into the will of Jesus Christ, then I enter into the Kingdom of God. The knowledge which benefits man on Earth. For if I give, then another benefits.

There is none, as God tells us though, who will not come to know Christ eventually. And none who know Christ who will die for their sin.

All men shall come to know Christ.

There is a death and a resurrection, so that ALL men get their fair chance, for what of those who died before hearing the name of Jesus?

And in that the truth is revealed and the mist is wiped from the mirror. Then all will see.

For if it is only 'the righteous' whose sins are washed, then surely it is a mockery of Jesus death that some are afforded life and some are not.

All men shall rise again for the judgement, in a new day. And all will be made anew.

And as Jesus rose, He will draw ALL unto Him.

'For I, when I rise from the Earth, shall draw all unto me'.

And in the days where the world is anew and sin is defeated forever, 'every creature on Earth and in the sea, and EVERYTHING in them will sing praise and glory be to the Lamb, forever and ever'.

Tan · Nov 9, 2012

megaman125 said:

I said, "To teach someone that all they have to do is believe on Christ and you are saved is a doctrine of the devil." I agree with those verses, but those verses come with more knowlegdge and understanding. You can say, or a person can say, that they believe on Christ, but if your action show something different, then it becomes lip service. Lets go into Ephesians 5: 1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

This is part of the work you must do, theres no getting around this. So this is more then just saying you believe on Christ or you confess that Jesus is Lord...yeah, but if your action is samething different then its just words coming out of your mouth.

Now you quoted Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Paul is saying that we didn't do any works for grace. Another words Jesus came down and shed his blood for the remisson of sin, and not that we did anything for Jesus to do what he did. You can't just run to any of Paul's writing just because he mention the words NOT OF WORKS. Lets skip down to the next verse and see the works you suppose to do as a christians. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. So we suppose to walk like Christ into good works like Jesus did. We are his workmanship, those that keeps the law (commandments) stautes and Judgements. Ask yourself what is all of the good works did Jesus do when he was here, and that would give you an example of other works you have to do.

megaman125 · Nov 9, 2012

Tan said:

I said, "To teach someone that all they have to do is believe on Christ and you are saved is a doctrine of the devil." I agree with those verses, but those verses come with more knowlegdge and understanding. You can say, or a person can say, that they believe on Christ, but if your action show something different, then it becomes lip service. Lets go into Ephesians 5: 1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

This is part of the work you must do, theres no getting around this. So this is more then just saying you believe on Christ or you confess that Jesus is Lord...yeah, but if your action is samething different then its just words coming out of your mouth.

Now you quoted Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Paul is saying that we didn't do any works for grace. Another words Jesus came down and shed his blood for the remisson of sin, and not that we did anything for Jesus to do what he did. You can't just run to any of Paul's writing just because he mention the words NOT OF WORKS. Lets skip down to the next verse and see the works you suppose to do as a christians. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. So we suppose to walk like Christ into good works like Jesus did. We are his workmanship, those that keeps the law (commandments) stautes and Judgements. Ask yourself what is all of the good works did Jesus do when he was here, and that would give you an example of other works you have to do.

I think we might be in agreement, but just speaking in a way that neither of us is really understanding each other. I don't deny any of those passages. To simplify things, here's what I'm saying.

We don't do works to GET saved, but we do works BECAUSE we are saved. The works would simply be evidence that we are saved (speaking in terms of a human to human perspective). Of course, God knows whether or not our faith is genuine before the works that follow (Abraham is a good example of this).

There's no amount of works we can do to earn God's gift of salvation, or else it wouldn't be a gift. Also, we aren't going to lose our salvation just becuase we don't do some X number of works.

Tan · Nov 10, 2012

megaman125 said:

The thing is...the Bible do not support your mind set in how you look at the word of God in that way according to works. Theres no scriptures or verses in the BIble to support what you are saying in regards to not having to work for salvation. Now, there might be some verses that sound like its saying what you are saying, but I tell you, they means something else. I believe that you are a Sunday doctrine christian, I could be wrong, but if so, then your doctrine will not allow you to take in other writing in the BIble, including some of Paul's writing. So your knowledge and understanding will always stay limited, until you break from that doctrine. For example...Paul said in (1Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means. If you are not following after Jesus...keeping the sabbath day on the seventh day of the week (saturday) like all the Prophets and Apsotles, then you have not kept in memory whats been preached. Lets take a look at what else...

Paul said in (1Cor. 9:24-27) (v.24) Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. (v.25) And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown: but we an incorruptible. Paul says that when you run in a race every body is running for a prize. But this prize that he is referring to is eternal life, that’s what he means by an incorruptible, he’s talking about an incorruptible body, a heavenly body. (v.26) I therefore so run, not as uncertainly, so fight, not as one that beateth the air: (v.27) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. You see Paul knew exactly what was going on that why he says he has to bring his body under subjection. Under subjection to what? To God’s Law (commandments), Paul knew that if he didn’t continue to keep Gods law that even after he had preached to many that he himself could still become a castaway. This doesn’t sound like Paul thinks that he has guarantee salvation. This sounds like Paul knew he must continue working for salvation.

MetalForJesusRafael · Nov 10, 2012

Read Acts 15, please: Acts 15

Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved."

This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.

The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad.
When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses."

The apostles and elders met to consider this question.
After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.

God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.

Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?
No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.

When they finished, James spoke up. "Brothers," he said, "listen to me.
Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles.

The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
"'After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,

that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, even all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things' —
things known from long ago.

"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers.

With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings.
We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul —
men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter.
The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message.

Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers.

After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them.
But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, "Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing."

Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them,
but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work.

They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus,
but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord.

He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.

Atos 15:1-41

Thus, we are not under the jew ritual anymore.

megaman125 · Nov 10, 2012

Tan said:

There are many, but I'll just give a couple examples.

Two others, who were criminals, were led away to be put to death with him. And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments. And the people stood by, watching, but the rulers scoffed at him, saying, “He saved others; let him save himself, if he is the Christ of God, his Chosen One!” The soldiers also mocked him, coming up and offering him sour wine and saying, “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself!” There was also an inscription over him, “This is the King of the Jews.”

One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
Luke 23:32-43

The theif on the cross did no works to earn salvation.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9

There are no passages in the Bible that even suggest that salvation is earned through works, only passages to the contrary. Of course, you claimed that these passages and many more "mean something else," which is really just you saying that you reject what is plainly written in favor of your own opinons and assertions. I will not share in such.

Umm, what the heck is a Sunday doctrine Christian? By the sounds of it, I would guess that means someone who believes they are saved as long as they go to church on sundays. If that's the case, completely false judgment and assumption on your part, for I don't believe and have never claimed such a thing.

gracethroughfaith · Nov 11, 2012

Tan said:

I keep hearing you state that other try to use this verse and that verse to do away with a dietary law. They you take that passage and add to it, something that had not been taught by God.

Example:
"Let's return to I Timothy chapter 4 and start at the 4th verse.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (I Timothy 4:4-5)
Every creature of God is good, but all are not created to be received."

You chose to add that all are not created to be received. Does this passage not say that every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:??? Does received not mean received here??

RECE'IVED, pp. Taken; accepted; admitted; embraced; entertained; believed.

Why do you keep expressing that this law given to the children of Israel was a dietary law?? There is no place in God's word that every stated this was a dietary law. This was a law given to the children of Israel, for obediance, nothing more, and it was expressly given to them alone. I was not a law passed on to all men. Read what is stated not what you think it should say.

Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV)
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Leviticus 11:1-2 (KJV)
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Leviticus 11:4 (KJV)
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

Leviticus 11:6-8 (KJV)
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Leviticus 11:10 (KJV)
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Leviticus 11:12 (KJV)
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Leviticus 11:20 (KJV)
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

Leviticus 11:23 (KJV)
23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:7 (KJV)
7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:19 (KJV)
19 And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.

Who did God tell Moses and Aaron to speek these things to?

You try to use Romans 14 to make your point but refuse to use all of the passage because it will blow holes in your teaching.

How about looking at Romans 14:14-20 (KJV)
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Acts 15:10 (KJV)
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Matthew 23:13 (KJV)
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

You try to put the law on someone where it does not belong. I have a question for you and the answer.

Why was Moses not allowed to go into the promised land?
Many will say because he sinned and was angry.
Really. Have you ever sinned and been angry? Does God still say you may enter his kingdom if your repent, obey and live for him?

Moses was not allowed into the promised land because there is no place for the law in the promised land.
By the grace of God we enter into the promised land. Not by the law

Galatians 2:21 (KJV)
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 5:1-4 (KJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

gracethroughfaith · Nov 11, 2012

What I have posted here I see being done in the churches, on these chat forums, in group bible studies. Take note what is being done.
In this following passage we see exactly what is done with the word of God and his truth. The people are given just a little here and a little there of God’s truth “that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.” ”They are taught by the precept of men:”
Isaiah 28:1-13 (KJV)
1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!
2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.
3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:
4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.
5 In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,
6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.
7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Isaiah 29:13 (KJV)
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Here God gives us other examples of these precepts (commandments of men)
Matthew 15:7-9 (KJV)
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:6-8 (KJV)
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Colossians 2:20-22 (KJV)
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using

after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Titus 1:13-14 (KJV)
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

gracethroughfaith · Nov 12, 2012

Romans 2:17-29 (KJV)
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Tan · Nov 12, 2012

MetalForJesusRafael said:

You much more growing and learning in the word of God to understand that chapter. My lesson is not about rituals, its about the laws (commandments) Stautes and Judgements that still applys to this day. What I'm doing is teaching you the same way Peter was trying to teach the Gentiles. Peter said in Acts 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, This dispute is mainly talking about the Gentiles being circumcise, understand, that some of those Israelites didn't want Gentiles in this word of God at all. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, and this for a reason. Pay attention to what Peter said in 2 Peter 1 :19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

What Peter is saying here, when you start having problems in this word, always go back to the OT, thats the foundation of this word. every word that was written in the Bible was written by an Israelite. For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6)

You are a Gentile, and you are being taught by another Gentile, who have not been taught by a Hebrew Israelite, (who keeps the commandments, statues and judgments), then there’s going to be a lot of miss understanding. How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God?

Lets take a look into (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ." So as we see, there was a time when Gentiles had absolutely no knowledge of God in the whole world, and now today we have the Gentiles since March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who have tried to convince the world that the Sabbath day of the Lord thy God of Israel, have change from the seventh day to the first of the week. Knowing Jesus himself kept the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week. 14And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16) Switching the Sabbath or worshipping on another day other then what’s written in the Bible, is a very big Sin, because that separates world from Jesus, the God of Israel, and what the Sabbath day stands for, which is a day of rest in the future to come.

Now, Paul said in Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

It a lot to understand and to consider, then to just post out of the Bible, lots people post without proper knowledge and understand, the thing that gets me it that they don't ask question

_Ryan_ · Nov 12, 2012

Our family will give up meat during Lent, but pretty much other than that, we eat what we want to eat, minus sugar content for the younger siblings. With my mom a Dr, she plans some pretty healthy meals for us.

Can't Eat Anything You Want And Just Pray Over It

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