-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Nice try.
The Ark is a type of Mare AND Jesus. It is a polyvalent symbol, just as there are FOUR people in the Bible whio are called "Rock":
God the Father
God the Son
Abraham
Peter
From the passages I provided, Mary is a crystal CLEAR fulfillment of the Ark. Some of them are almost verbatim in their content from the OT to the NT - case in point:
a. "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
b. "Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43)
I know it's a huge concession to make to a Catholic but there is simply no getting around the fact that Mary is the fulfillment of the Ark.
The Ark is a type of Mare AND Jesus. It is a polyvalent symbol, just as there are FOUR people in the Bible whio are called "Rock":
God the Father
God the Son
Abraham
Peter
From the passages I provided, Mary is a crystal CLEAR fulfillment of the Ark. Some of them are almost verbatim in their content from the OT to the NT - case in point:
a. "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
b. "Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43)
I know it's a huge concession to make to a Catholic but there is simply no getting around the fact that Mary is the fulfillment of the Ark.
REALLY??
There are OODLES of historical evidence.
Let's start with Ignatius of Antioch, who was a student of John, the Apostle. He wrote 7 letters to 7 Church communitees on his way to be martyred in AD 107. Here is an excerpt from the Letter to the Smyrnaeans:
Ignatius of Antioch
The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).
A few dacades later, Irenaeus wrote:
The Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said (Against Heresies 1:10 [A.D. 189]).
Oops - almost forgot about Acts 9:31.
Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:
“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”
According to Strong’s Greek Concordance and Lexicon – which is used by Protestants AND Catholics alike – the verse is translated as:
“The true Church throughout all Judea . . .”
Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας
The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “katah-holos”.
Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely
"Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC.
Sorry to kick the chair out from underneath you but you're WRONG.
There are OODLES of historical evidence.
Let's start with Ignatius of Antioch, who was a student of John, the Apostle. He wrote 7 letters to 7 Church communitees on his way to be martyred in AD 107. Here is an excerpt from the Letter to the Smyrnaeans:
Ignatius of Antioch
The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).
A few dacades later, Irenaeus wrote:
The Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said (Against Heresies 1:10 [A.D. 189]).
Oops - almost forgot about Acts 9:31.
Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:
“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”
According to Strong’s Greek Concordance and Lexicon – which is used by Protestants AND Catholics alike – the verse is translated as:
“The true Church throughout all Judea . . .”
Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας
The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “katah-holos”.
Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely
"Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC.
Sorry to kick the chair out from underneath you but you're WRONG.
I'm going to expose your falsehoods - just like I did on another thread:
Looks like you've been poisoned against the Church by the likes of Alexander Hislop, Jack Chick and Lorainne Boettner.
This nonsense about the Ishtar/Semiramis/Mary similarities started with a book by Alexander Hislop called "The Two Babylons". It became the anti-Catholic Bible for Catholic haters, including one named Ralph Woodrow. He wrote a follow-up book called, "Babylon Mystery Religion", based on Hislop's findings. HOWEVER, Woodrow did some actual RESEARCH on his own. I know that research is a foreign concept to most of you here but I applaud Woodrow for his efforts.
After his research, he stopped the printing of his book and wrote another one called "The Babylon Connection?" in which he retracted ALL of the statements he made against the Catholic Church. You can read all about it from Woodrow himself right here:
Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association
Although he is still a Protestant, he is no longer an ignorant anti-Catholic - which is more than I can say for most of you . . .
Maybe a little more homework and a little less beatring false witness against the Body of Christ might do you some good.
Looks like you've been poisoned against the Church by the likes of Alexander Hislop, Jack Chick and Lorainne Boettner.
This nonsense about the Ishtar/Semiramis/Mary similarities started with a book by Alexander Hislop called "The Two Babylons". It became the anti-Catholic Bible for Catholic haters, including one named Ralph Woodrow. He wrote a follow-up book called, "Babylon Mystery Religion", based on Hislop's findings. HOWEVER, Woodrow did some actual RESEARCH on his own. I know that research is a foreign concept to most of you here but I applaud Woodrow for his efforts.
After his research, he stopped the printing of his book and wrote another one called "The Babylon Connection?" in which he retracted ALL of the statements he made against the Catholic Church. You can read all about it from Woodrow himself right here:
Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association
Although he is still a Protestant, he is no longer an ignorant anti-Catholic - which is more than I can say for most of you . . .
Maybe a little more homework and a little less beatring false witness against the Body of Christ might do you some good.
R
you badly misquoted 2 samuel 6:9...here is what it -actually- says...i will quote from several -roman catholic- translations in order to avoid any accusation of 'protestant bias'...
douay-rheims bible..."And David was afraid of the Lord that day, saying: How shall the ark of the Lord come to me?"
new jerusalem bible..."That day David felt afraid of Yahweh. 'How can the ark of Yahweh come to be with me?' he said."
new american bible..."David became frightened of the LORD that day, and he said, "How can the ark of the LORD come to me?""
latin vulgate..."et extimuit David Dominum in die illa dicens quomodo ingredietur ad me arca Domini"
on biblegateway i got a similar result in every translation i checked...except for 'the message' which often paraphrases very loosely...and even then it didn't match your rendition of the verse...
a google search for exact matches with your rendition of the verse gave me only 963 hits...mostly all apparently from the same article copied over and over on multiple websites...
so your rendering of the verse is -not- a legitimate translation of the scripture...the -real- text of the verse is -not- the exact 'almost verbatim in content' match for luke 1:43 that you claimed it was...and your attempt to use it as a proof text for your doctrine is invalidated...
for someone who claims that their church respects the bible...you seem to have no problem with blatantly rewriting it...
the ark of the covenant is -not- an old testament type of mary...
douay-rheims bible..."And David was afraid of the Lord that day, saying: How shall the ark of the Lord come to me?"
new jerusalem bible..."That day David felt afraid of Yahweh. 'How can the ark of Yahweh come to be with me?' he said."
new american bible..."David became frightened of the LORD that day, and he said, "How can the ark of the LORD come to me?""
latin vulgate..."et extimuit David Dominum in die illa dicens quomodo ingredietur ad me arca Domini"
on biblegateway i got a similar result in every translation i checked...except for 'the message' which often paraphrases very loosely...and even then it didn't match your rendition of the verse...
a google search for exact matches with your rendition of the verse gave me only 963 hits...mostly all apparently from the same article copied over and over on multiple websites...
so your rendering of the verse is -not- a legitimate translation of the scripture...the -real- text of the verse is -not- the exact 'almost verbatim in content' match for luke 1:43 that you claimed it was...and your attempt to use it as a proof text for your doctrine is invalidated...
for someone who claims that their church respects the bible...you seem to have no problem with blatantly rewriting it...
the ark of the covenant is -not- an old testament type of mary...
R
neither ignatius nor irenaeus were talking about your church...in those days 'catholic' just meant 'universal' and didn't refer to the particular roman branch of christianity...
they were talking about -all- christians everywhere...not your denomination...which didn't exist yet...
the fact is that there is absolutely no historical evidence linking the universal or 'catholic' church of the apostolic age with your church today...
they were talking about -all- christians everywhere...not your denomination...which didn't exist yet...
the fact is that there is absolutely no historical evidence linking the universal or 'catholic' church of the apostolic age with your church today...
L
Being incorrigible is not a fruit of the Spirit. 
You haven't presented any facts. Based upon your comments throughout this thread; you are a real live spiritual Don Quixote type. Spiritually, "Tilting At Windmills"; you depict yourself as an impractical idealist bent on righting incorrigible wrongs concerning Scripture.
I do not believe that you neither read the Creed in detail nor studied the Trinity Shield and what this model represents; the "blah, blah, blah", stuff you refer to. There is nothing fruitful with this conversation. You are not the protagonist of this thread, it is SaintAnthony.
You just may want to research the definition of "automaton". It is being used in my post as a spiritual idiom just as Don Quixote is being used to depict your personality.
Let peace continue...
You haven't presented any facts. Based upon your comments throughout this thread; you are a real live spiritual Don Quixote type. Spiritually, "Tilting At Windmills"; you depict yourself as an impractical idealist bent on righting incorrigible wrongs concerning Scripture.
I do not believe that you neither read the Creed in detail nor studied the Trinity Shield and what this model represents; the "blah, blah, blah", stuff you refer to. There is nothing fruitful with this conversation. You are not the protagonist of this thread, it is SaintAnthony.
You just may want to research the definition of "automaton". It is being used in my post as a spiritual idiom just as Don Quixote is being used to depict your personality.
Let peace continue...
Oh no...... they banned the Protestant bashers....... whatever will we do now? How can I post a couple of paragraphs without anybody to counteract it? What to do, what to do........
not sure it was protestant-bashing.
prolly false teachings.
but i could be wrong.
oh...wait - no, that's not possible.
post a couple paragraphs so we can check it.
lol.
J
Hi, The Holy Bible tells us to call no man Holy Father-jus he who is in Heaven. The wog also tells us Mary was married and had other children after giving birth to Christ. She did not remain a virgin. Also Mary is grieved so many of you worship her[hail] instead of the living son of Father God, Yeshua [Jesus]. He is our Saviour-Redeemer and Lord. It is he The Word Of God, who became flesh-lived his life without committing any sin-suffered-was rejected by the world-tortured-had a crown of thorns pushed down his scalp - was nailed to a wooden cross. Yeshua also fasted for 40 days and nights-resisting all temptation from Satan to eat when he was hungry. When he was preaching to the people-one of his deciples came to him and said Master your mother seeks you-Yeshua said to him stretching out his arms towards the people-who is my family if not these people-for anyone who receives me-receives my Father who sent me-indicating Father God is no respecter of persons. Yes, Mary was at that time-a vessel for Father God-out of the lineage of David. Yeshua will return and set up his kingdom in Jerusalem. However, The rapture of Gods people will happen first-The dead in Christ will rise first-then we the living will be caught up in the air to meet them-when the trumpet sounds we need to be ready-The precious Blood of Gods Lamb[Yeshua] his one time-all time sacrifice for washing away everyones sins-is the only way to eternal life with Father God. Please read King James Version-of the Bible. Also Jesus said you must be born again-that means being filled with the Holy Spirit- after you ask Jesus to forgive your sins.for has Yeshua said' I will not leave you comfortless-for I will send my Comforter[Holy Spirit-and he will be with you. Also read the book of acts:KJV, .
J
The WOG also tells us Yeshua is the only mediator between man and God. When Christ died on the cross-the veil covering the place where people went in to confess their sins to a priest-was rent into -meaning-they did not have to go there anymore-now there is a High Priest-Yeshua-for on the third day he rose-defeating death and hell. Yeshua now sits on the right hand of our Heavenly Father- all who are in Christ[the vine] are reconciled back to Father God-[we are the branches]. All our sins were paid in full-by the precious blood of his only begotten son. If we worship anything or anyone else-its an idol. Jesus is the way-the truth and the life. There is no other way. [You know when your sins are forgiven-he comes in-and gives you a joy-peace-and understanding you never had before-he also gives you Love-he is a real presence-who will never leave you