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You said this a about a half dozen times on two different threads.

One of the definitions of "agnostic" is "undogmatic.

According to my Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

Okay, I get it. Dr. Hurd is undogmatic and you are dogmatic.

And according to the same dictionary "dogmatic" means: "characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts."

Yep, that's you. You express nonsensical opinions as if they were facts, and you repeat them over and over and again and again.

Maybe you think if you say something over and over and again and again and again enough times, it will become a fact.

That appears to be a typical YEC tactic.
I say if the boot fits you should put it on and it is quite obvious crack in the box that this fits you and your ongoing love affair with Kent Hovind, and secretly down inside you there is a wish that you could be as intelligent as YEC's! ;)
 
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I read a long time ago that a true scientist always keeps an open mind. For if you cannot consider all possibilities worthy of studying, you are closed minded and therefore incapable of discovering the truth.

Here's a few things I ponder:
Historical common descent can't be proven through observation, of course. Some observations have to be explained by past history, right? So we can come up with many explanations and lots of assumptions. Claims that are built upon assumptions do not make a thing fact. These are various theories, some contradicting others. And to me there isn't enough evidence to prove the theory of evolution. I'm just not convinced. I wasn't convinced long before I became a Christian. So Creationism wasn't what kept me from believing evolution. Not enough evidence (and some very ridiculous so-called evidence) did.
 
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......................I'm thinking more like 200,000 years ago.

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I'm thinking you lie.

Know what's wrong with liars? How are we supposed to know when you're telling the truth?
 
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I'm thinking you lie.

Know what's wrong with liars? How are we supposed to know when you're telling the truth?
Yeah, and you really shave with a chainsaw.

I might add that I'm a French model. If you read it on the internet, it must be true. Bon jour.

So, do you still think that animals do not have a soul? How about a spirit?

And you think Homo neanderthalensis lived how long ago?
 
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I read a long time ago that a true scientist always keeps an open mind. For if you cannot consider all possibilities worthy of studying, you are closed minded and therefore incapable of discovering the truth.
We categorically demonstrated the existence of atoms. There is no further reason to question their existence. We categorically demonstrated the existence of electrons, neutrons, and protons. It is a stupid waste of time to try and invent any world that lacks atoms made of neutrons, protons, and electrons. We have categorically demonstrated that old species give raise to new species. We know categorically that every single biological species today evolved from older ones. There is no sane reason to waste any time or diminishing scientific funding to address a question solved over a century ago. It has nothing to do with "open minded," and every thing to do with not being wasteful. Species today are going extinct faster than we can describe them.

Here's a few things I ponder:
Historical common descent can't be proven through observation, of course.
Wrong. We have documented direct common descent. There are published documentations over a century old. See: Stones and Bones: Emergence of New Species
 
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Hey, what can I say. Dr. Dino makes me laugh. Especially his doctoral dissertation.

So how long ago do you think humans lived in Paris?

No longer ago than 6,000 years ago Dr. Dino, you, and the YECs posting on this thread say?

I'm thinking more like 200,000 years ago.

'Oldest Parisian': Neanderthal Fossil Suggests Hunting Injury : Discovery News
You know...There is one thing I know for sure about you and your buddy Dr. Spock Hurd.....both of you will go to the ground soon and turn to dust or maybe scattered bones and the Word of God A.K.A the Bible...the number one best seller will still be here as the perpetuity of the word is promised in the word......so when you are on your death bed with the death rattle or maybe turning blue from a heart attack or stroke...Both of you will recall the day you rejected the word of God and the truth that it bears witness to...you guys with your systematic rejection of truth in favor of conjecture, educated guesses, opinion and any other word of like caliber and order, just like all of the men before you who rejected the word of God, are dead and gone and have rank and file went to the ground while the Bible still marches on changing lives, enlightening those who are in darkness and giving hope to those who trust into the eternal truths set forth therein! Good luck with your monkey dogma, study of rocks and belief that we came from some electrified pool of protein filled sludge!
 
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The thing about evolution is that it seems like scientists that do not want to believe in a God want to go against the earth is only 6000 years so much that they say things are so old that it is ridiculous and there is no way to measure it no matter what they say.How do you measure that the earth is billions of years old and a star is thousands of light years away.

Also evolution knows nothing and perceives nothing before any living thing,so why would evolution give us eyes to see when evolution cannot perceive there is anything to see to give us eyes to see it,why would evolution give us ears to hear when evolution cannot perceive that there is anything to hear to give us ears to hear it.

Evolution knows nothing and cannot perceive anything before any living thing is brought about,so how can it give us all these things,and put our body together in such a way that not only is it the best functional but also best looks as if evolution understand fashion.

But there might have been people before Adam and Eve which Lucifer whe he was kicked out of heaven might of caused disturbance among them and they were like the people that God wiped out in the flood.

God did tell Adam and Eve to replenish the earth which you cannot do unless you are replacing people that were already there.

The Bible says that the sons of God came unto the women and it created people that were men of reknown,men of old,a type of people that has never been before on earth,which seems like they would have to be before Adam and Eve.Jer:4:22:

For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
Jer:4:23: I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer:4:24: I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer:4:25: I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer:4:26: I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer:4:27: For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer:4:28: For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

God warned Israel that if they did not change their ways that He would punish them and make their land desolate,and then said,I looked upon the earth and the earth was without form and void,and all the birds of heaven had fled and there was no person.

Why would God say the earth was without form and void concerning Israel,and then said all the birds of heaven had fled and there was no person.

It sounds like Satan disturbed the creation before Adam and Eve and God is saying if Israel did not change their ways that they would end up like that and possibly the earth.
 

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Adm and Eve could have lived i caves after they where kicked out of the garden
 
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you will recall the day you rejected the word of God!
I do not recall rejecting the Word of God.

I recall rejecting a nonsensical interpretation that the world is 6,000 years old.

So tell me what exactly do you consider to be the Word of God?

Be specific. If your answer is the Bible, what version of the Bible?
 
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The thing about evolution is that it seems like scientists that do not want to believe in a God want to go against the earth is only 6000 years so much that they say things are so old that it is ridiculous and there is no way to measure it no matter what they say.How do you measure that the earth is billions of years old and a star is thousands of light years away.

But there might have been people before Adam and Eve which Lucifer whe he was kicked out of heaven might of caused disturbance among them and they were like the people that God wiped out in the flood.

God did tell Adam and Eve to replenish the earth which you cannot do unless you are replacing people that were already there.

The Bible says that the sons of God came unto the women and it created people that were men of reknown,men of old,a type of people that has never been before on earth,which seems like they would have to be before Adam and Eve.Jer:4:22:
There are fifth graders who could tell you how you can measure how old the earth is.

Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

Oh, maybe Adam and Eve were not the first humans?

Hey, I like that idea.

Who do you think these "sons of God" are?

Fallen angels?
 
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You know...There is one thing I know for sure about you and your buddy Dr. Spock Hurd.....both of you will go to the ground soon and turn to dust or maybe scattered bones and the ............... Word of God .......... A.K.A the ........ Bible.................................................................................................. Good luck with your monkey dogma, study of rocks and belief that we came from some electrified pool of protein filled sludge!

When creationists, either Christians, or Muslim or what have you, start flinging "I'll die and win, infidel!!!! Bwahahahaha"

I know they have run out of ideas, or maybe are just drunk.
 
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When creationists, either Christians, or Muslim or what have you, start flinging "I'll die and win, infidel!!!! Bwahahahaha"

I know they have run out of ideas, or maybe are just drunk.
HAHAH not really as I just get tired of crack in the box and to be quite frank, why cast the truth out to be trampled under foot by men who think they know something.....

1. God has made foolish the wisdom of the world
2. God's ways are past finding out by worldly wisdom
3. The things made are not made of the things they appear to be made of
4. The world that then was perished, being overflowed with water

I am confident that at the end of the day, both of you will find out that you are not quite as smart as you think you are, and your worldly education that you put so much stock in will not even amount to the dust that is left over on the scales of cognitive understanding.....!
 

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When creationists, either Christians, or Muslim or what have you, start flinging "I'll die and win, infidel!!!! Bwahahahaha"

I know they have run out of ideas, or maybe are just drunk.
Some people seem to think that they know everything.

Actually, there is only one Being like that and His titles include:

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"1. God has made foolish the wisdom of the world
2. God's ways are past finding out by worldly wisdom
3. The things made are not made of the things they appear to be made of
4. The world that then was perished, being overflowed with water"

"I am confident that at the end of the day, both of you will find out that you are not quite as smart as you think you are, and your worldly education that you put so much stock in will not even amount to the dust that is left over on the scales of cognitive understanding.....!"


Some are just too smart for their own bad fate .... ever learning, but never able to discover the truth
 
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"1. God has made foolish the wisdom of the world
2. God's ways are past finding out by worldly wisdom
3. The things made are not made of the things they appear to be made of
4. The world that then was perished, being overflowed with water"

"I am confident that at the end of the day, both of you will find out that you are not quite as smart as you think you are, and your worldly education that you put so much stock in will not even amount to the dust that is left over on the scales of cognitive understanding.....!"


Some are just too smart for their own bad fate .... ever learning, but never able to discover the truth
No doubt....where is Darwin right now?.....dead and gone...Bible still here teaching creation....where is Voltaire right now? Hmmm dead and gone....Bible still here teaching truth.....Where is Aleister Crowley right now?....dead and gone...and the Bible is still here teaching about the One true God and his creation...Where is Thomas Paine right now?....dead and gone and his book the age of reason has not even come close to the number of bible sold...Stephen Hawking doesn't seem to be doing to well with his health does he...Hmmmm, Maybe take up and believe the word which is health to thy navel and moistening to thy bones....He will be dead soon as well...What about John Lennon and him being more popular that Jesus....dead and gone and the bible is still preaching Jesus and HIS CREATION....

God wins every time as all he has to do is turn from someone and they cease to exist in the flesh and their worldly wisdom perishes with them and eventually comes to naught!
 
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It is true that scientists have found caves with heaps of ashes from fires, along with traces of food and other signs of human habitation. But that evidence does not tell us that all ancient men lived in caves, or that any who did, really form a link in a chain back to some type of “primitive man.” There are people today who are cave dwellers
 
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Yes there are ..... even the evolutionists themselves ... if you know what I mean

Cavemen to cavemen ..... pre-Genesis to Revelation .... nothing has changed

Only the perceptions of some cavemen change things

All are dust in the wind
 
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secretly down inside you there is a wish that you could be as intelligent as YEC's!
Like Pat Robertson said: “You have to be deaf, dumb and blind to think that this Earth that we live in only has 6,000 years of existence, it just doesn’t, I’m sorry.”

Well, we already knew that Neanderthals arrived on the scene more than 230,000 years ago. But the latest is that Neanderthals may have disappeared from the scene more like 40,000 years ago than 30,000 years ago. According to this source anyway:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140820-neanderthal-dating-bones-archaeology-science/

So my question is then Neanderthals were not on the ark?

If you believe the YEC date of the flood as somewhere around 4300 years ago, how could have Neanderthals been on the ark?