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[shad]

You know Watchmen....I use to be one of those I'm set in my ways of OSAS type of people...then God used someone to show me otherwise...scary stuff....really it is....cause God's word says if we blasphemy the Holy Ghost we can't be forgiven, and lose salvation. If we walk away from God, we walk away and leave everything God ever did for and gave to us. We lose it...we give it up ourself. He doesn't take it from us, and doesn't walk away from us....we turn our back on those things,and on Him...not a smart move, but yeah....

Not only that, but many other things God has shown me. I'm in total awe. I agree, OSAS does teach that you can sin all you want and it's okay...which includes blaspeming the Holy Ghost. Not something I'd want to tell others. In fact, a decon at my ''old'' church,...I don't go there now, he stood up and preached one night, and he said ''you can blasphemy the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, and you can be forgiven''. His exact words! I was so bothered by that, and I told my grandparents, I'm sorry, but God's word says other wise. He then said ''just don't tell anyone you can, because it's not a good thing to do, it's bad, but you can do it and be forgiven''.

*shrugs* anyhow, I use to be set on OSAS until recently,I mean VERY recently God showed me differently.

I don't believe for one minute that God showed you that you can walk away from Him and lose His righteousness that He imputed to you by grace when you first believed. Those that truly believe and have received God's eternal salvation and understand the nature of God's gift do not teach that it is alright to sin or live in sin. That thought is a projected trick and lie of the devil to keep believers from understanding the nature of God and to cause much division in the church among believers. The devil also wants believers to live in fear when times of testing come to get them to charge God with being unfaithful to those that belong to Him to make it easier to walk away and go back into their own history of Adam. Think about that!

You are an adopted child of God and you may walk away from your heavenly Father while you are on the earth but you still belong to Him and you are a purchased possession through the blood of Christ. You could stop taking up your cross and backslide into sin for a season but the work that God started in you will continue even if the Father has to chastise or scourge you to get you back. God is faithful and will not deny nor forsake those that have been redeemed by the blood of His Son and have the gift of His righteousness dwelling in them.

Wasn't Lot a just man but was vexed by the filthy lifestyle and conversation of the wicked. Did he not subject his family to the same and make his daughters available to the men of the city to do what they wanted with them?. But God was faithful and took Lot out before the cities were consumed. Yet, after God took him out, he let his daughters get him drunk so that they could have sons by their own father. The Holy Spirit records in the NT through Peter that Lot had a righteous soul 2Pt 2:7,8. I do not see anywhere in the scriptures that Lot repented before the Lord for any of these things and I won't be presumptuous like some and presume that Lot must have repented.

Could the Holy Spirit from God have recorded in the NT a testimony that Lot possessed a righteous soul and then condemn him to eternal ****ation? I certainly do not read this account about Lot and think for one moment that we can determine that we can get away with sin and still make it to heaven. But I have determined from this account that God is faithful to His own righteousness that Lot possessed and never lost nor was able to walk away from.

 

[Thaddaeus]

I don't believe for one minute that God showed you that you can walk away from Him and lose His righteousness that He imputed to you by grace when you first believed. Those that truly believe and have received God's eternal salvation and understand the nature of God's gift do not teach that it is alright to sin or live in sin. That thought is a projected trick and lie of the devil to keep believers from understanding the nature of God and to cause much division in the church among believers. The devil also wants believers to live in fear when times of testing come to get them to charge God with being unfaithful to those that belong to Him to make it easier to walk away and go back into their own history of Adam. Think about that!

You are an adopted child of God and you may walk away from your heavenly Father while you are on the earth but you still belong to Him and you are a purchased possession through the blood of Christ. You could stop taking up your cross and backslide into sin for a season but the work that God started in you will continue even if the Father has to chastise or scourge you to get you back. God is faithful and will not deny nor forsake those that have been redeemed by the blood of His Son and have the gift of His righteousness dwelling in them.

Wasn't Lot a just man but was vexed by the filthy lifestyle and conversation of the wicked. Did he not subject his family to the same and make his daughters available to the men of the city to do what they wanted with them?. But God was faithful and took Lot out before the cities were consumed. Yet, after God took him out, he let his daughters get him drunk so that they could have sons by their own father. The Holy Spirit records in the NT through Peter that Lot had a righteous soul 2Pt 2:7,8. I do not see anywhere in the scriptures that Lot repented before the Lord for any of these things and I won't be presumptuous like some and presume that Lot must have repented.

Could the Holy Spirit from God have recorded in the NT a testimony that Lot possessed a righteous soul and then condemn him to eternal ****ation? I certainly do not read this account about Lot and think for one moment that we can determine that we can get away with sin and still make it to heaven. But I have determined from this account that God is faithful to His own righteousness that Lot possessed and never lost nor was able to walk away from.

very nice point about Lot and I just thought about Lot's wife did God deliver her body from the wrath only to cast her soul into hell, she didn't have a chance to repent and I was thinking about Moses the other day He was never allowed to enter into canaan land down here, because He tapped the Rock when God told Him to speak to it. so obviously he never repented of that sin but later we see Him with Jesus on the Mount of transfiguration. I see that there are people on the Osas side that don't fully understand the wrath of God and also I see people on the lose your salvation side that don't fully understand the Mercy and Grace of God, and I only know I very few on both side that fully understand the Love of God


Joh 1:17For the law was given by Moses, but GRACE and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[jjkg]

Maybe it's not necessarily about OSAS, maybe it's actually about people who THINK themselves saved when in reality, they are not. There is a verse, not sure where, that speaks about a group of people who left the church preaching another gospel. Had to be in one of the letters, maybe Paul's. And Paul said, basically, that it just shows they were never part of us anyway. Also scripture about those that use the grace of God as a license for immorality. Those people are claiming salvation but using it for only selfish reasons....those people are not saved as well.......And they said to Him, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do this in your name and that in your name....and Jesus said to them, "Get away from me, I never knew you." .......I think the key word in this sentence would be the word 'never'....meaning they never really had salvation in Christ because once again, to these people it wasn't about relationship, but more about selfish pride. Anyone with a sincere faith in Christ will abide in Him and He in they. They desire to do the Lord's will...not just claim it.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

well Shad and Thaddaeus, believe what you want. Y'all ain't God, or me. I know what He showed me. Nor was I talking too eitherof you so don't be nosing in on what someone says to another person. I could honestly care less what either of you think or say, cause like I said, I KNOW what God showed and told me. You aren't God, so you can't say what He did or didn't say or tell me, and you aren't me,so you can't tell me what He did or didn't tell or show me.

 

[Thaddaeus]

well Shad and Thaddaeus, believe what you want. Y'all ain't God, or me. I know what He showed me. Nor was I talking too eitherof you so don't be nosing in on what someone says to another person. I could honestly care less what either of you think or say, cause like I said, I KNOW what God showed and told me. You aren't God, so you can't say what He did or didn't say or tell me, and you aren't me,so you can't tell me what He did or didn't tell or show me.

i was addressing mine to Shad not to you,so who is nosing in ,but hey go ahead after all this is a public forum , if you don't want people to respond maybe you shouldn't post it in a public forum,
you have a real nice Christian attitude, and everybody calls me a meanie,

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

i was addressing mine to Shad not to you,so who is nosing in ,but hey go ahead after all this is a public forum , if you don't want people to respond maybe you shouldn't post it in a public forum,
you have a real nice Christian attitude, and everybody calls me a meanie,

Doesn't matter, you were responding to what I said as well, considering what he said was a response to what I said. No I didn't have an attitude until you started. I've seen you around,and yeah you can be rude. I ain't got an attitude yet. Nor will I get one, as it's not worth getting over smart remarks other make. So whatever dude, I have nothing left to say to you. Peace...in fact, I'm done with this whole thread. However, I can post what I want in a thread. Others just need to not worry about what I say, unless it's said towards them. At any rate, I'm done with this thread so God bless everyone.

 

[Leilaii425]

i was addressing mine to Shad not to you,so who is nosing in ,but hey go ahead after all this is a public forum , if you don't want people to respond maybe you shouldn't post it in a public forum,
you have a real nice Christian attitude, and everybody calls me a meanie,

I can believe that...............

 

[DinoDillinger]

i was addressing mine to Shad not to you,so who is nosing in ,but hey go ahead after all this is a public forum , if you don't want people to respond maybe you shouldn't post it in a public forum,
you have a real nice Christian attitude, and everybody calls me a meanie,

awwwwe Thaddaeus, I don't think your a meanie, but than again, look where it is coming from

 

[Buddee]

"Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone." -Colossians 4:6

 

[NoahsMom]

that was AWESOME Buddee.

 

[watchmen]

Judging is also a dangerous sin and if you believe you can lose your salvation, Then I would be very careful on telling me that i have never had true repentance, I will let God be the Judge of that thank you

I have never told you anything of the such, nor do i attempt to judge anyone. However although not the judge I can tell if someone is guilty or not by the evidence (fruits they produce)

 

[watchmen]

You know Watchmen....I use to be one of those I'm set in my ways of OSAS type of people...then God used someone to show me otherwise...scary stuff....really it is....cause God's word says if we blasphemy the Holy Ghost we can't be forgiven, and lose salvation. If we walk away from God, we walk away and leave everything God ever did for and gave to us. We lose it...we give it up ourself. He doesn't take it from us, and doesn't walk away from us....we turn our back on those things,and on Him...not a smart move, but yeah....

Not only that, but many other things God has shown me. I'm in total awe. I agree, OSAS does teach that you can sin all you want and it's okay...which includes blaspeming the Holy Ghost. Not something I'd want to tell others. In fact, a decon at my ''old'' church,...I don't go there now, he stood up and preached one night, and he said ''you can blasphemy the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, and you can be forgiven''. His exact words! I was so bothered by that, and I told my grandparents, I'm sorry, but God's word says other wise. He then said ''just don't tell anyone you can, because it's not a good thing to do, it's bad, but you can do it and be forgiven''.

*shrugs* anyhow, I use to be set on OSAS until recently,I mean VERY recently God showed me differently.

I thank God that God has shown you the truth, and I pray that others will be sensitive to what He wants to speak into their hearts.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Doesn't matter, you were responding to what I said as well, considering what he said was a response to what I said. No I didn't have an attitude until you started. I've seen you around,and yeah you can be rude. I ain't got an attitude yet. Nor will I get one, as it's not worth getting over smart remarks other make. So whatever dude, I have nothing left to say to you. Peace...in fact, I'm done with this whole thread. However, I can post what I want in a thread. Others just need to not worry about what I say, unless it's said towards them. At any rate, I'm done with this thread so God bless everyone.

ok so I will start a poll! do you think stand up has an attitude? yes or no. you are discussing things in an open forum and you tell someone to mind their own business , that is an attitude!! God Bless

 

[shad]

If that is what some of you want to believe about so great a salvation that we have received through our Lord Jesus Christ, that is between you and God. However, those that do will have much striving in the flesh. They will try to resist sin in the flesh instead of receiving grace and being strengthened by that grace. They will measure their own spirituality before God by how much they are able to abstain from sin instead of walking in the Spirit so that they will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Mark it down, they will have major setbacks and sin will be strengthened because of law of sin and death that lives in their members.

We all have flesh and an old sin nature to deal with. They will have no control and no power to overcome sin through repentance. The reason why monks separate and isolate themselves is so they would not be tempted in their flesh and end up in some kind of sin. Even a single sin would point to failure and they would reject or punish themselves because they do not know how to receive the grace of God. This is nothing new and many believers think that they can overcome sin without grace. They all end up as a casualty in some form thinking they have failed God to the point of no return and they must have lost their salvation along the way. What a sad and unnecessary scenario that has befallen so many because they have never understood the nature of God's mercy and grace. They don't understand it because they have never been taught it and been around those that live and walk by faith in it.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

I only came back to read and see if Watchmen got what I said, good he did....as for you Thaddaeus, as I said I have no attitude, I'm calm as of this point. You'd know if I had one, and to go so far as to ''start a poll'' is extreamly immature, you're simply looking to cause arguments and things...well, the tongue is the mos powerful part of the body, I shall refrain from saying anything I shouldn't. Lastly, I shall not allow you to drive me to anger or anything else. Saying you shoud mind your own business, isn't an attitude, it's advise, and a request. At any rate, I'm not angry, nor do I have an attitude. I'm calm, cool, and collected. You do as you wish. Words stir upanger(Proverbs 15:1). Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even asGod for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.(Ephesians 4:31-21). BE YE ANGRY, AND SIN NOT" let not the sun o down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil.(Ephesians4:26-27) I shall obey God's word. Now I might of came across strongly, however let me tell you this...what I said was out of a form of ''passion'' not anger, or attitude. Considering that's how you thought it was meant, I do humbly apologize. I suppose I should have chosen my words with less passion. Peace be with you, and God bless you.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

I thank God that God has shown you the truth, and I pray that others will be sensitive to what He wants to speak into their hearts.

Agreed. I'll just keep my thoughts past that to myself, or send you a mail message sometime or something, as I prefer not to have arguments and all on here just because some believe differently. I respect and accept that's their beliefs and all...just hope they'll do the same for me and you...and the others like us.

 

[shad]

In 1Th 5:18 the scriptures say , 'In everything give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.'

Notice that the verse says, 'In everything' not just some things but every thing. We all have given thanks to God that He has forgiven and cleansed us from all sin and saved us through His Son and that is the will of God concerning us. We are thankful that we have been saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God. We are thankful that we have been justified by grace and the blood of Christ before the Father and have been accepted in Christ. We are thankful that the blood of Christ has purged our conscience from dead works so that we might serve the living God. We are thankful that His perfect love has cast out all fear because fear has torment. We thank God that He has separated our sins from us as far as the East is from the West and does not impute our sins or trespasses unto us. We thank God that He has ascended and gone to heaven to prepared a place for us and if that were not true He would have told us. We are thankful for all that He is and all that He has done for us as unworthy sinners who were his enemy. These are the kinds of things that we are thankful for and that is the will of God.

Are we to be thankful that we have to live in fear to serve God instead of serving Him through love because we have been set free? Are we to be thankful for the fact that we could lose our salvation if we are not careful? Did you ever thank God that you could lose your salvation and if you did you would not be able to get it back? Was that the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you? Or did you raise your hands in thanksgiving and thank God that His salvation is eternal and no man including yourself can pluck you out of God's hand? Are you thankful and proud that you can go through the great tribulation and experience what the children of disobedience will have to face or are you thankful that God has chosen to take you out before that happens and never have to face the wrath of God? The Pharisee was thankful that he was not like other men, a sinner. Is that what we are to thankful for or for the mercy that justified the sinning publican as he went home?

The outcry of the apostle Paul was, 'Oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this body of death, I thank God through Jesus Christ there is no condemnation.' We are thankful that God had has translated us from the power of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear Son. We are thankful that nothing can separate us from the love of God. Sin did separate us from the love of God but Christ came and took that sin and put it on His own body and crucified it through death. Thank God for the cross and the finished work that Christ accomplished on our behalf. It's not an evil thing to know that we have been saved and justified forever by the blood of Christ but a glorious thing that God has provided to sinful man and we are thankful. Thank God that when our heart condemns us in anything, that God and His grace is greater than our heart.

 

[Thaddaeus]

and I thankful for what shad said Plus I am thankful for Chastisement;

Heb 12:2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.Heb 12:3For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.Heb 12:4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.Heb 12:5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:Heb 12:6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.Heb 12:7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?Heb 12:8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.Heb 12:9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

if we sin and God blots us out of the lambs book of life where is chastisement, for He don't correct us He just blots us out, then there is no chastisment. or else how many times do we sin , how many times does He chastise us before he kicks us out, or is that determined by the type of sin we do?? So if God compared His chastisement to that of earthly fathers, a earthly father may kick us out of the family by disowning us but we are, no matter how our earthly father feels about us, we are still his son, if we walk away from His Love. here I go something happend to me like a death of a child, I decide that that chirstian stuff is just too hard for, so I turn away from I run the other way as hard as I can, I turn back to the Bottle to drown my sorrow and my pain and Watchman and Stand up 4 God sees me drunk and they are concern for me and tell me, dude you need to repent and get saved again, if they knew my walk with God at one time and say that I have walked away from that salvation then they have gone against scripture itself and they have laid a charge against the elect of God;

Ro 8:33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.Ro 8:34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.Ro 8:35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?Ro 8:36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.Ro 8:37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.Ro 8:38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,Ro 8:39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
so I will let Jesus Christ be my "author and finisher of our faith" and not watchman and Stand up, I think that falls under " nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

 

[imoss]

In 1Th 5:18 the scriptures say , 'In everything give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.'

Notice that the verse says, 'In everything' not just some things but every thing. We all have given thanks to God that He has forgiven and cleansed us from all sin and saved us through His Son and that is the will of God concerning us. We are thankful that we have been saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God. We are thankful that we have been justified by grace and the blood of Christ before the Father and have been accepted in Christ. We are thankful that the blood of Christ has purged our conscience from dead works so that we might serve the living God. We are thankful that His perfect love has cast out all fear because fear has torment. We thank God that He has separated our sins from us as far as the East is from the West and does not impute our sins or trespasses unto us. We thank God that He has ascended and gone to heaven to prepared a place for us and if that were not true He would have told us. We are thankful for all that He is and all that He has done for us as unworthy sinners who were his enemy. These are the kinds of things that we are thankful for and that is the will of God.

Are we to be thankful that we have to live in fear to serve God instead of serving Him through love because we have been set free? Are we to be thankful for the fact that we could lose our salvation if we are not careful? Did you ever thank God that you could lose your salvation and if you did you would not be able to get it back? Was that the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you? Or did you raise your hands in thanksgiving and thank God that His salvation is eternal and no man including yourself can pluck you out of God's hand? Are you thankful and proud that you can go through the great tribulation and experience what the children of disobedience will have to face or are you thankful that God has chosen to take you out before that happens and never have to face the wrath of God? The Pharisee was thankful that he was not like other men, a sinner. Is that what we are to thankful for or for the mercy that justified the sinning publican as he went home?

The outcry of the apostle Paul was, 'Oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this body of death, I thank God through Jesus Christ there is no condemnation.' We are thankful that God had has translated us from the power of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear Son. We are thankful that nothing can separate us from the love of God. Sin did separate us from the love of God but Christ came and took that sin and put it on His own body and crucified it through death. Thank God for the cross and the finished work that Christ accomplished on our behalf. It's not an evil thing to know that we have been saved and justified forever by the blood of Christ but a glorious thing that God has provided to sinful man and we are thankful. Thank God that when our heart condemns us in anything, that God and His grace is greater than our heart.

WOW!!! thank you for this on Thanksgiving day in Canada. I am thankful for you and for pastor Keith and so many others in here who fill my heart with joy in the Lord and are of sound biblical knowledge. The Holy Spirit gave me chills of validation as I read this as recently I was questioning all I thought about God and Christ and the Holy Spirit... questioning the form of God. This is the bad thing about the forum posts but also the good thing about the forum posts... to get you really thinking about what you believe and in the end the Holy Spirit gives me such validation to this very post. Praise the Lord for pastor Keith for giving us the thread addressing what is our mental image of God & praise the Lord for you Shad for giving us this post! Others on here should know that if they are reacting strongly to posts they should really look within at what would cause such a reaction... Is it because you want to cling to your own pride filled ideas and not question what you are taught, or is it a legitimate steadfast knowledge given with a conviction that is only of the Holy Spirit. Spiritual blessings of the wisdom of the Holy Spirit to all who read this thread, Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[imoss]

well Shad and Thaddaeus, believe what you want. Y'all ain't God, or me. I know what He showed me. Nor was I talking too eitherof you so don't be nosing in on what someone says to another person. I could honestly care less what either of you think or say, cause like I said, I KNOW what God showed and told me. You aren't God, so you can't say what He did or didn't say or tell me, and you aren't me,so you can't tell me what He did or didn't tell or show me.

Stand up, you need to question why you react so strongly to these two. God Bless you as you seek His truth.