Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.
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No, Jesus was and is a man. Understand that God became a man and was tempted as a man. He laid aside His Glory to become a man. What did He tell Peter No you not that I can ask my father and ten legions of angels will come to defend me. One angel unamed killed 185,000 trained veteran soldiers of the Assyrian army. Yet He chose not to do that. In fact if Israel would have accepted Him it would have ushered in the kingdom age. But He was rejected because of money and power.
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He sees Christ as half man and half God. 50+50. Heresy. The Bible says Jesus is fully man and fully God. 100+100. He is pretending to understand what is beyond understanding, rather than just accepting that it is beyond understanding. And then he has gone so far as to make rules and assumptions about Christ based on his false understanding. I can not say anymore on the topic. I did not come here to debate in the first place, I just happened to see this thread on top and read through a bunch of it. I wish I had not seen any of it. What a distraction from what is good and pure, and what a distraction from learning about what God has already revealed of Himself. There is so much He has shown us, so then why do some need to delve into things that were not revealed?
Jesus is part of God, He is man/God, Jesus is the epitome of innocence, He never had a evil thought. He did feel the things we felt including the pain we brought upon Him. What " man " do you know that could do as He did " raise the dead/be resurrected " and such ? No one... No one knows as He knew, He could do the impossible because He was God. He was different but was the same.
First, let's not be condescending as if you are smarter and I am not. Widsom is justified of her children; And we are to study to show ourselves approved unto God (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). Bible believing Christians do not mindlessly submit to just any church authority and not ask questions and not think for themselves as if they do not have the help of God (See Jeremiah 33:3). For it is the Spirit that guides a person into all truth. Not the elders of some church. In fact, if you were to read Revelation 2-3, Jesus had a problem with most of the churches. Only a small few were in favor with Him and were getting it right. Now, do not misunderstand me. We are not to forsake fellowship. But just blindly following any church and or what they believe is not a good idea, and surely you should know that.
Second, how do you define "free will" for Jesus Christ? Does it include Him doing evil? Does the Bible use that term "free will" specifically in relation to Jesus Christ? Are you implying Jesus could have potentially done evil? Would not Jesus potentially doing evil NOT make Him God? What verses can you find in Scripture that specifically state that Jesus could have potentially done evil? How can Jesus potentially do evil if Hebrews 7:26 says He is Holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners? Do you believe that Jesus could have failed in His mission? If so, then why does Jesus say to His disciples in John 13:19 about telling them beforehand of things of what will happen so that they will believe? For in John 13:33, Jesus says that where He is going, they cannot follow. Meaning, Jesus is going to be in Abraham's Bosom in the heart of the Earth during the 3 days and 3 nights when His physical body is in the grave. Also see John 14:28-29.
Third, throwing around accusational words like "heresy" and then not actually backing up that statement with the Word of God is kind of like an angry mob with a bunch of torches trying to burn somebody at the stake for no real good reason. You actually have to find lots and lots of Bible verses to prove your point that:
#1. Jesus Christ can potentially sin or do evil.
#2. Jesus Christ can potentially fail in his mission,
#3. Hypostatic Union must involve 100% exact likeness of man in him having a human soul and a free will (Versus Christ being a 100% HOLY GOD and versus Christ's Omniscience being suppressed during the Incarnation).
Second, how do you define "free will" for Jesus Christ? Does it include Him doing evil? Does the Bible use that term "free will" specifically in relation to Jesus Christ? Are you implying Jesus could have potentially done evil? Would not Jesus potentially doing evil NOT make Him God? What verses can you find in Scripture that specifically state that Jesus could have potentially done evil? How can Jesus potentially do evil if Hebrews 7:26 says He is Holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners? Do you believe that Jesus could have failed in His mission? If so, then why does Jesus say to His disciples in John 13:19 about telling them beforehand of things of what will happen so that they will believe? For in John 13:33, Jesus says that where He is going, they cannot follow. Meaning, Jesus is going to be in Abraham's Bosom in the heart of the Earth during the 3 days and 3 nights when His physical body is in the grave. Also see John 14:28-29.
Third, throwing around accusational words like "heresy" and then not actually backing up that statement with the Word of God is kind of like an angry mob with a bunch of torches trying to burn somebody at the stake for no real good reason. You actually have to find lots and lots of Bible verses to prove your point that:
#1. Jesus Christ can potentially sin or do evil.
#2. Jesus Christ can potentially fail in his mission,
#3. Hypostatic Union must involve 100% exact likeness of man in him having a human soul and a free will (Versus Christ being a 100% HOLY GOD and versus Christ's Omniscience being suppressed during the Incarnation).
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For what sounds more good? That Jesus can potentially do evil (Which would no longer make Him a Holy God)? Or that Jesus could fail and do evil? Do you know Jesus Christ is the Light who shined his light unto men in darkness? How can Jesus bring Light to men in darkness if Jesus had darkness of some kind of his own (In having some type of evil that he had to resist)? Do you know that there is no darkness in God? (1 John 1:5).
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You said you are not called to teach " full grown men ", look at us as children of God. Then you say you would like to be on here more " but rather be on other parts of the forum ". What are you trying to say ? Is this something Jesus would say?
God made choice.. He is not man, He is God.. If there was a word beyond perfect, He would be that... Only reason we have" choice " is because of Adam and Eve, the knowledge of evil, .. God has the knowledge of everything.. Jesus was, before flesh, though He had to learn how to walk and talk as man, He was still God, He is the will of God, no choice necessary. He still had the will to get on a boat and cross the Sea of Galilee to heal a gentile of demons. I agreed with Jason from the beginning, that Jesus never thought evil. It's not in His will to choose evil.
Example; If you have the knowledge of God, and the world is yours... and satan offers you the world, how can you accept something that is already yours ? Satan wanted Jesus to bow to him... That's the point, that's all it is... It would not and could not ever happen.. Period.
God made choice.. He is not man, He is God.. If there was a word beyond perfect, He would be that... Only reason we have" choice " is because of Adam and Eve, the knowledge of evil, .. God has the knowledge of everything.. Jesus was, before flesh, though He had to learn how to walk and talk as man, He was still God, He is the will of God, no choice necessary. He still had the will to get on a boat and cross the Sea of Galilee to heal a gentile of demons. I agreed with Jason from the beginning, that Jesus never thought evil. It's not in His will to choose evil.
Example; If you have the knowledge of God, and the world is yours... and satan offers you the world, how can you accept something that is already yours ? Satan wanted Jesus to bow to him... That's the point, that's all it is... It would not and could not ever happen.. Period.
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That statement "heresy" doesn't really mean anything unless you have Scripture to back it up. Like I said, an angry mob yelling "heresy" does not equate with an actual "heresy" exists unless one provides a substantial amount of evidence. In this case, you need to provide lots of Scripture that makes your case rock solid. We have been discussing a lot of Scripture verses so far and you just jump in and offer nothing to the table but "heresy"?
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It is blood Kerry, it's the sacrificial blood of Christ that saves us. The Bible does say the words " choose ", I think because God can do anything, He has no limits or boundaries, if God wanted to He could choose evil.. but it's not what He wants, He already is right, perfect, King of Kings, He's everything, if He " wanted to bow to lucifer " He could ... He does not want evil, He's casted it out of His presence... His will is righteousness, that's who He is..
This is a pretty vain topic, and I think it can be a hindrance more then help, so again, I'm done with this topic, we will never completely understand the mind of Christ, until we are in heaven. I'm on the fence because I understand both sides of the argument. Gods human side and His divine side on the other... He is both .. I still believe He thought as a human while being a human, but also was divine.
There is no taking away from either side or adding to scripture of external and internal... Evil was brought before Him, He either casted it out, rebuked, or refused it, every time. He did His Fathers will as a man, I stand corrected...again... This is a difficult topic as I said from the beginning and I'm sure if there's 37 more pages ... It will be in the same area of discussion " no growth ".
There is no taking away from either side or adding to scripture of external and internal... Evil was brought before Him, He either casted it out, rebuked, or refused it, every time. He did His Fathers will as a man, I stand corrected...again... This is a difficult topic as I said from the beginning and I'm sure if there's 37 more pages ... It will be in the same area of discussion " no growth ".
and if you take every statement that does not agree in that way, i guess you could come up with that - Online life is barely valid - if your going to try to teach, you should do it at a church