Christianity; what about personality & age?

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EnaGoguette

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"Hey" to all who are checking this out... I'll try 2 make this short.

I've been struggling in my faith, which is affecting nearly every area of my life. One in general is the different personalities in the faith. I'm a young teen used to Christian modern music, such as rap, pop, etc. I've seen some really good points being made about Christian music genres. Some are "ouches" and others "amens". I feel like some folks are so stuck in tradition, that rap in general is a sin, quote-on-quote, even when it's used 2 lift Christ's Name. I'm a Christian teen whose stuck, feeling like Deep-soul-gospel-tradition folks are against modern-Christians. Both sides can be supported biblically, and I'm just one of many young people wanting to experience God's Voice in my language, and having Mark 10:26 ("...Then who in the world can be saved?...") lodged into my brain. I even wonder how the Bible reaches out to my age level; sorry Dad (God). If anyone can help, it'd be cool. Sorry if I offended anyone. Pls pray 4 this young confused Christian teen. T.y.
 
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Danzi

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David danced before the Lord and was mocked. I'm not one of the heavy scholars on here, but if the lyrics and the music is in actual praise of Jesus and not made to fit into the secular world then I'm all for it. For example I love Toby Mac's music, but some of his songs can be played at secular weddings/festivities-so is it really praise? On the flip side, where I work secular music is pumped into the intercom. Yes I have to listen to Hells Bells at work. For 10 hours a day I am in spiritual warfare in changing the secular trash being forced into my ears into praise and worship. Go to prayer with your petition. God will show you the direction you need to go. Keep close to Him. You will have many trials and temptations at your young age, but what a powerful warrior for the cross you can be!
 
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EnaGoguette

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David danced before the Lord and was mocked. I'm not one of the heavy scholars on here, but if the lyrics and the music is in actual praise of Jesus and not made to fit into the secular world then I'm all for it. For example I love Toby Mac's music, but some of his songs can be played at secular weddings/festivities-so is it really praise? On the flip side, where I work secular music is pumped into the intercom. Yes I have to listen to Hells Bells at work. For 10 hours a day I am in spiritual warfare in changing the secular trash being forced into my ears into praise and worship. Go to prayer with your petition. God will show you the direction you need to go. Keep close to Him. You will have many trials and temptations at your young age, but what a powerful warrior for the cross you can be!
Thank you. I really appreciate it. God bless...
 
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You are talking just as the gentiles talked to Peter and Paul back in about 30 and 40. Most of the church members were teaching about how to eat and changing the day they went to church from their day of the sun kind of things, and the gentiles just didn't want to do all that. Paul said they didn't have to, and then he wrote a lot of letters telling them what they had to do. That is what a big portion of the New Testament is about.

Now there are lots of people in the church saying that it is wrong to do any of what the "old foggies" of back in those times wanted them to do. So just wait, maybe in 50 years or so the church will decide the old hymns are wrong and your music is the only right way.

Scripture is full of what is most important.
 
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EnaGoguette

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I understand where you're going, however, i'm not saying hymns are wrong, actually, the complete opposite; is it ok for young Christian teens to listen to their own type of Jesus music? I mean, every Christian has a differ Jesus based personality and age/nationality?
 
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I understand where you're going, however, i'm not saying hymns are wrong, actually, the complete opposite; is it ok for young Christian teens to listen to their own type of Jesus music? I mean, every Christian has a differ Jesus based personality and age/nationality?
Yes, God is not out to make you religious. He's out to let you feel free, but also in his hand. Your free to move around in his hand, thats what I like to think of it as.

I write raps about Jesus all the time.

This reminds me of the question the pharisee's asked Jesus, "Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath?"
 
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"Hey" to all who are checking this out... I'll try 2 make this short.

I've been struggling in my faith, which is affecting nearly every area of my life. One in general is the different personalities in the faith. I'm a young teen used to Christian modern music, such as rap, pop, etc. I've seen some really good points being made about Christian music genres. Some are "ouches" and others "amens". I feel like some folks are so stuck in tradition, that rap in general is a sin, quote-on-quote, even when it's used 2 lift Christ's Name. I'm a Christian teen whose stuck, feeling like Deep-soul-gospel-tradition folks are against modern-Christians. Both sides can be supported biblically, and I'm just one of many young people wanting to experience God's Voice in my language, and having Mark 10:26 ("...Then who in the world can be saved?...") lodged into my brain. I even wonder how the Bible reaches out to my age level; sorry Dad (God). If anyone can help, it'd be cool. Sorry if I offended anyone. Pls pray 4 this young confused Christian teen. T.y.
1 Samuel 16:7But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
 
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EnaGoguette

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Yes, God is not out to make you religious. He's out to let you feel free, but also in his hand. Your free to move around in his hand, thats what I like to think of it as.

I write raps about Jesus all the time.

This reminds me of the question the pharisee's asked Jesus, "Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath?"
Thanks so much. I really appreciate it brother... Thank you...
 
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BeanieD

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We need to do what ever it takes to influence across the board. There have always been those who don't like all kinds/genres of music but that doesn't make it wrong. If it takes rap to get through to certain persons then by all means GO FOR IT. God created us all with different personalities, likes, etc, so why would it be wrong to use heavy metal for those who like that kind as long as it gets the word of God out there? Isn't there a passage somewhere that says I must become all things to all people? or something similar. Wasn't it Paul who said this?
 
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EnaGoguette

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We need to do what ever it takes to influence across the board. There have always been those who don't like all kinds/genres of music but that doesn't make it wrong. If it takes rap to get through to certain persons then by all means GO FOR IT. God created us all with different personalities, likes, etc, so why would it be wrong to use heavy metal for those who like that kind as long as it gets the word of God out there? Isn't there a passage somewhere that says I must become all things to all people? or something similar. Wasn't it Paul who said this?
Thank you so much. I'm not thanking you because you reach my point of view, but because I feel touched by your strong words. God bless:)
 
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BeanieD

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I too am of the opinion that as long as what we hear in the music is spiritual, godly then there is nothing wrong with it. I know there are groups out there who even do a bit of the heavy metal kind, but it is all about God. How else are we to reach some if we aren't willing to go there.


Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. ...

Hang in there hon and stay as close to God as you can. Sometimes it can get really tough. Blessings
 
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Peace be with you, interesting and genuine confession about the struggles in understanding everyday life here on earth as Christians. What is right and wrong? What is true and false? What is good and evil?

[These things are very close to each other in this world that we find it difficult to distinguish between them. So we carry on to live as we see and think, which is best between these two and in discernment we make a choice of practicing them in our daily life. Then later when this doesn't work out to give us peace, we try a different approach between these two and some have ignorantly survived to attain temporary peace and some have gone to the extreme to become miserable, in their lives here on earth. We all have been doing something in faith according to our sight and our thinking in this world to please 'self' and please others. In order to survive in this world and its system we are clever to mix and match between these two and encourage others to do the same and this has become the tradition of this world today in the midst of diversified religions. Even though they diversify in religion but because of the tradition of this world that rules their lives even today, they are able to mix and match between these two and encourage one another in order to survive in the tradition that rules all of them. Even they are able to cross from one religion to another.in order to find peace. But sadly in ignorance they are actually rooted to the religion of this world and its traditions in order to survive. And the other they observe and practice according to their natural birth and their natural individual religions has become a compromised show growing and growing in deception everyday.
This revelational information tool of the HOLY SPIRIT is not for us to judge or condemn outsiders but only to show unconditional love to their ignorance which only by HIS help we can and have become free and clean from because once we were like them. But use this tool only to judge ourselves as Christians, are we practicing even to the little ways of their pattern in our lives as a church?

(Choices between these two)
Hell<<----Kingdom of this world spiritual patterns----<< Born Again >>----Kingdom of GOD SPIRITUAL patterns---->>Heaven

As it is written; "Either hot or cold and not lukewarm (in between both), for I will spit you out."
Who is in real danger with GOD? Isn't it for sure Christians and not non-Christians for they still have a chance.
Many have joined into this company called 'Christian & Co. Unlimited' in order to prosper but they fail to read and know, in order to know and practice, all the requirements that is written in the contract during their probation period serving in the company. This contract was made by the employer Himself with His employees, who agreed upon the terms and conditions and also the rules and regulations written inside the contract(Covenant).
It is true we are not perfect? But we are not blind either by the help of the HOLY SPIRIT who is our true Teacher, we are also able to seek help when we turn to the employer's Son. He is able to sympathize and help us in all our weaknesses.]

In my experience in journeying with the LORD, He allowed me to wonder out, to know the things of this world and also in the gradual learning process of HIS Holy Bible regarding His Father's Kingdom, HE wants me to make a choice between both.
So in my experience in order to make a choice, for example Christian rap or rock, i enjoy them, for their lyrics are also spiritually encouraging but the beat is the one that is deceitful, which gradually listening to them, gets me all hyped up, puffed up and up cool even to my dressing with an earing, one of the mix match influence and trend of the pattern of this world. i have been there but Holy Bible led me to make a choice between both and since i am sanctified from this world into GOD's Kingdom because of CHRIST to grow in His likeness, then i must learn to suffer, giving up one and practice the other in order to stand out different.
Then why GOD allowed such music?
It is for us to test our faith to distinguish between the spirit of error and the spirit of truth operating in the church and in this world. They can be close to each other where It has a mixture of elements of partially Christianity and partially modernity. The Kingdom of GOD is not for Rappers, Rockers etc. but for sinners who turn back to GOD from this worldly elements and influences in order to worship GOD in spirit and truth.
There is tendency and evidence that a Christian can go back and live in between both because of the roaring lion the devourer. Let this and many others to come be a lesson to build and edify a true faith in order for one to make the right SPIRITUAL choices in practice, feeding our spared lives to grow from condemnation of Lawlessness.
As it is written; "A dog who goes back to lick its vomit."
'This sharing may be helpful to some but not to all because there are still babes in CHRIST.'
May the Good GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you and keep you from being tempted and protect you from evil.
Older people surely reject modern songs because of their experience that once they were young too and enjoyed them but it never helped them in the long run as they journeyed in Christianity. Since young people are adventurous and want to learn the hard way about true life, then we cannot stop them for it is the will of GOD.
As it is written; "JESUS did not use harshness and force on people."
 

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I would be extremely careful when choosing music, please use this following information as an example

i actually lost a friend in the faith when I shared this following info with them:

Toby Mac has a song out, I think called "ILL AM I"

some of the lyrics go as such"

"Ill-M-I, Ill-M-I, Ill-M-I, Ill-M-I and you
Illuminati comin' through
Ill-M-I, Ill-M-I, Ill-M-I, Ill-M-I and you
Illuminati comin' through "

the Illuminati is a real group of satan worshippers which have become way more prevalent in their exposure in the recent years.

Also his album cover has this on it:



seems like no big deal, except for the fact that the Illuminati's number one symbol is an eye, called "the all seeing eye",
to them it represents Lucifer (satan), know in Egypt as the "eye of horus"


here it is used in Illuminati symbolism



HOLD FAST TO OUR CREATOR AND BE CAREFUL WHEN DEALING WITH THE WORLD
 
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Ignore Hizikya's conspiracy theory nonsense. The illuminati are not a real organization, and neither Mac's lyrics nor his album cover are in reference to that supposed secret organization.
 

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There seems to be a lot of information out there about this secret organisation lol
 
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It really isn't the kind of music, but what the music does to bring people closer to God in their lives.

I am from the older generation, and we are a lot more sexual than the younger generation. The older we are, the less we had of sex as the media distorts it to contend with every day as we were growing up. Today's generation must deal with being bombarded with distorted sex all the time, they have become immune to it. The physical drumming of rock that was started as a sort of "sex" music is seen by the young as actual enthusiasm for Christ, to much of the older we respond to the secular implications of it.

It is hard for me, being 88, to understand the young mentality that can actually translate the physical drumming and repetition to spiritual growth. We just have to take the younger people's word for it. We shouldn't be blamed for feeling skeptical.
 

Hizikyah

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Ignore Hizikya's conspiracy theory nonsense. The illuminati are not a real organization, and neither Mac's lyrics nor his album cover are in reference to that supposed secret organization.
Do $1 bills exist?


the say "announcing conception" "new order secular"

no those lyrics feom the popular singer had nothing to do with the Illuminati, even though he said "Illuminati coming through" that just happens to have an eye on the cover.

this is why these people are allowed to fulfill their agenda, because most people do likeand ostrich and "hide their head in the sand."

here is a documentary that shows our "leaders" worshipping satan (Molech of the Moabites) at a grove in California and admitting they belong top a "secret society" in am MSNBC interview.

Dark Secrets : Inside Bohemian Grove Full Length - YouTube
 
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Peace be with you, because of 'Agape' what is helpful to others, is not helpful to all as Christians. Apostle Paul remind us of those who have 'a clear conscience' and those who have 'a weak conscience'("anything against their believe is a sin.") and he highlighted this regarding the food ate by Christians and there is a confused struggle about it among them. After clarifying these issue, he urged them to do all things individually as to only honor the LORD. He also went on to say because of 'Agape'; "if I have offended a vegetarian brother or sister who are weak in their conscience, in what I eat in a clear conscience especially meat, I will stop eating meat for the rest of my life.'' Paul's concern and love to lay down oneself's freedom for the benefit of GOD's people is 'Agape'.
For those who have a clear conscience about bringing modern music and beat to GOD's New Testament Psalms is not concern and thinking about those who are weak in conscience. You cannot aspect and force others to agree with you because you who are of clear conscience must look out for those who are weak in conscience.
Instruments can be used to Glorify GOD, but Christian musician of clear conscience today have picked up the worldly pattern to include music and beat more and louder then the Spiritual lyrics. On the other hand Hymns have it the other way around like an oprah of this world.
In the book of Deuteronomy before Moses left, he reminded GOD's forbidden acts to HIS people about when their eyes may stray away to pick up pagan practices patterns of honoring their god and bring them to their congregation to worship the LORD thy GOD.
The organize marching band kind of music and singing as a group is slowly becoming rare or dieing off. i believe in my spirit of truth that this what King David put together and also his son King Solomon for the Glory of GOD.
Anyway in the book of Revelations and in some testimony of believers visiting there, in Heaven there was only voices singing without a band, one may correct me Scripturally if i am wrong, thank you.
Revelation of 'Agape' in the New testament of the Holy Bible can only be revealed by the LORD the HOLY SPIRIT the author and finisher of our faith.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST stop using your short sighted opinion and mental understanding for it is 'self' based and not sound doctrine based`assisted from the Holy Scriptures in the Holy Bible.
One's reply is concerned on oneself's understanding, believes and opinions and not lovingly concerned towards the community and citizen and family as a whole spiritually rich or poor.
 
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EnaGoguette

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Peace be with you, because of 'Agape' what is helpful to others, is not helpful to all as Christians. Apostle Paul remind us of those who have 'a clear conscience' and those who have 'a weak conscience'("anything against their believe is a sin.") and he highlighted this regarding the food ate by Christians and there is a confused struggle about it among them. After clarifying these issue, he urged them to do all things individually as to only honor the LORD. He also went on to say because of 'Agape'; "if I have offended a vegetarian brother or sister who are weak in their conscience, in what I eat in a clear conscience especially meat, I will stop eating meat for the rest of my life.'' Paul's concern and love to lay down oneself's freedom for the benefit of GOD's people is 'Agape'.
For those who have a clear conscience about bringing modern music and beat to GOD's New Testament Psalms is not concern and thinking about those who are weak in conscience. You cannot aspect and force others to agree with you because you who are of clear conscience must look out for those who are weak in conscience.
Instruments can be used to Glorify GOD, but Christian musician of clear conscience today have picked up the worldly pattern to include music and beat more and louder then the Spiritual lyrics. On the other hand Hymns have it the other way around like an oprah of this world.
In the book of Deuteronomy before Moses left, he reminded GOD's forbidden acts to HIS people about when their eyes may stray away to pick up pagan practices patterns of honoring their god and bring them to their congregation to worship the LORD thy GOD.
The organize marching band kind of music and singing as a group is slowly becoming rare or dieing off. i believe in my spirit of truth that this what King David put together and also his son King Solomon for the Glory of GOD.
Anyway in the book of Revelations and in some testimony of believers visiting there, in Heaven there was only voices singing without a band, one may correct me Scripturally if i am wrong, thank you.
Revelation of 'Agape' in the New testament of the Holy Bible can only be revealed by the LORD the HOLY SPIRIT the author and finisher of our faith.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST stop using your short sighted opinion and mental understanding for it is 'self' based and not sound doctrine based`assisted from the Holy Scriptures in the Holy Bible.
One's reply is concerned on oneself's understanding, believes and opinions and not lovingly concerned towards the community and citizen and family as a whole spiritually rich or poor.
Thank you brother... However, it was simply a question... I'm a young Christian teen, and because we're both obviously different ages, you probably wouldn't understand me... Thank you again... God bless