Christians and Cussing
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Hi likeminded,
I've never felt the need to use foul language among the lost. I want to stick out like a sore thumb in a good way and it's because I want them to see Jesus in me and His love. I won't be shocked at their words if I'm engaging them in conversation because it's who they are and what they do.
Why would the world be uncomfortable is you don't use their language? I don't really think that they care. My family are not believers and use all sorts of bad language, but I don't. They don't seem uncomfortable at all.
And how far will you go with that? Let's say they might feel uncomfortable if you don't go drinking with them, carouse with them, smoke with them, have sex with them and the list could go on and on.
We're not here to make them feel good about themselves. We're here to bring the love of God to them through the preaching of the gospel. So should we sprinkle in a few cuss words here and there to make the gospel more palatable?
If we do that, we remove the power of the gospel message. All the power that's needed to change a life is contained within the gospel. It's the power of salvation to all who would believe.
Peter tells us to keep our conduct excellent among unbelievers. That has the power to draw men to Christ.
1 Peter 2:12
Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Also,
Ephesians 5:3-5
But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Ephesians 5:3-5
But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
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I think that saying that the words are in the bible is a childish excuse. Everyone knows what context is.
The word whore is the bible as well ... doesn't mean it's OK to call someone one
I do sometimes curse, doesn't mean I think it's a good / ok think though.
...and if I hear someone curse a lot (like in half their sentences), I am incapable of taking them seriously.
We are (hopefully) reasonably smart creatures after all, we should be able to use proper words to explain our feelings without resorting to profanity
The word whore is the bible as well ... doesn't mean it's OK to call someone one
I do sometimes curse, doesn't mean I think it's a good / ok think though.
...and if I hear someone curse a lot (like in half their sentences), I am incapable of taking them seriously.
We are (hopefully) reasonably smart creatures after all, we should be able to use proper words to explain our feelings without resorting to profanity
It is either a class thing or a pride thing. When I use a word, I use it properly in a sentence. I just think this sound silly.
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(An alternative word was used in place of one I would have used, so no "cursing.")
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I'm no lady because I have no problems being coarse. Honestly? Of all the things God wants to change about me, refined isn't one of them.
He has dealt with me about gossiping, honesty, and trusting him. He's working on me because I really do curse, (as in take God's name in vain.) He's dealing with my procrastination streak. He's dealing with me on trusting him even more. He's dealing with me on not flying off the handle easily, and loving people better. This is so much bigger to me then if I sound like I would fit in at a charity ball.
And, it probably doesn't help that the upper-crust side of my family sounded like truck drivers, but did go to charity balls, but honestly? Just not into refined. I can pull it off, if I need to. Just don't usually need to. Whew!
He has dealt with me about gossiping, honesty, and trusting him. He's working on me because I really do curse, (as in take God's name in vain.) He's dealing with my procrastination streak. He's dealing with me on trusting him even more. He's dealing with me on not flying off the handle easily, and loving people better. This is so much bigger to me then if I sound like I would fit in at a charity ball.
And, it probably doesn't help that the upper-crust side of my family sounded like truck drivers, but did go to charity balls, but honestly? Just not into refined. I can pull it off, if I need to. Just don't usually need to. Whew!
Ephesians 4.25-32:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, [SUP]27 [/SUP]and do not give the devil an opportunity. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, [SUP]27 [/SUP]and do not give the devil an opportunity. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
As much as I am going to get flaming arrows shot at me for saying this I am going to say this.
Why are we even having a discussion on if it is OK for a son or daughter of God to use profanity?!?!?!
Let me say this loud and clear for some people.
CHRISTIAN CHARACTER STILL MATTERS!
If you are a self professed blood bought, spirit filled son or daughter of God you should not be using profanity. The times you slip up and one comes out should even be rare, because your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
2 Cor 13.5 says:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test?
Really peeps, Jesus said his yoke is easy and his burden is light.
Why are we even having a discussion on if it is OK for a son or daughter of God to use profanity?!?!?!
Let me say this loud and clear for some people.
CHRISTIAN CHARACTER STILL MATTERS!
If you are a self professed blood bought, spirit filled son or daughter of God you should not be using profanity. The times you slip up and one comes out should even be rare, because your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
2 Cor 13.5 says:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test?
Really peeps, Jesus said his yoke is easy and his burden is light.
Y
I was told that "profanity is the verbal crutch of inarticulate MF'ers". I try to keep that in mind. I know how to swear, and I have sworn a lot in the past, but I don't like to, and realize it makes me sound like white trash. I should be able to communicate what I need to without "colorful metaphors". If I cannot, I should remain silent.
...in actuality I should remain silent at all times, but that's not prudent at this point in my life.
...in actuality I should remain silent at all times, but that's not prudent at this point in my life.
yeah exactly, and im not sure im " reaching" i was simply saying that Just because a word is in the bible, doesnt make it okay to use it as a swear or curse, or in disgust or as a name call or attack or such.
Kind of Like When people are mad and use the name Jesus Christ, to espress thier displeasure, or dicgust or shock. and yeah the context would be the donkey, but hionestly, i think i dont know anyone who calls a donkey an ass anymore, a jackass some of my older reletives used to call them, but not as calling someone else a jackess or anything. im saying words Like "Hell" and its context would be how we are using it. if were talking about a biblical element i think it would be acceptable, if were telling someone " go to hell" oir getthe hell out of Here" ect then its us using it wrong.
...i honestly thought that comment was reletively self explanitory
Kind of Like When people are mad and use the name Jesus Christ, to espress thier displeasure, or dicgust or shock. and yeah the context would be the donkey, but hionestly, i think i dont know anyone who calls a donkey an ass anymore, a jackass some of my older reletives used to call them, but not as calling someone else a jackess or anything. im saying words Like "Hell" and its context would be how we are using it. if were talking about a biblical element i think it would be acceptable, if were telling someone " go to hell" oir getthe hell out of Here" ect then its us using it wrong.
...i honestly thought that comment was reletively self explanitory
I just finished discussing this with a friend of mine and I asked him if he's ever used the word, "fanny". Of course, he admitted to doing so and I asked him if he felt that was wrong. He replied, "no", and I asked him why. His response was, "it's just a word describing--depending on it's use--a butt". I told him that in Britain (I think, don't quote me) that is an offensive word. So my question is, do you think my friend sinned?
If you say yes, then you're saying that words are objectively wrong because they would be binding to everyone, regardless to what we believe. But I am willing to bet my entire check that you don't feel like that is an offensive word and thus, you feel free to use it. I'm equally willing to bet that you don't think you're sinning by saying it but everything changes when it comes to words we Westerners find offensive. So are words objectively wrong? Or are there cultural differences that void their use as wrong?
If you say yes, then you're saying that words are objectively wrong because they would be binding to everyone, regardless to what we believe. But I am willing to bet my entire check that you don't feel like that is an offensive word and thus, you feel free to use it. I'm equally willing to bet that you don't think you're sinning by saying it but everything changes when it comes to words we Westerners find offensive. So are words objectively wrong? Or are there cultural differences that void their use as wrong?
J
I use to have a foul mouth...especially when angry. I grew up around it and have always been exposed to cussing. When I became a Christian, one in my heart not just by claim, I began receiving conviction from the Lord. As the convictions came, I realized I was offending Him and that helped tremendously to cause me to think twice before speaking a "word". The greater thing that came from it was the people who knew me (and my mouth) noticed the change and when around me, would "excuse" themselves if they cussed and apologize to me, which made me very uncomfortable. I appreciated the new found respect, but it wasn't mine to own. So, I began telling people who would apologize that it wasn't me they were offending... it was God. I told them they were free to speak however they wanted around me. Whether it was my imagination or I just began paying closer attention, after having explained the offense was to God, there was even less. ~ I still slip occasionally, and if anyone is around to hear it, I get "THE" look.~ I like that they expect better from me...because of God.
I agree with you to an extent. I think the broader goal is to be led by the Spirit (guided by and walking in wisdom that comes from a above) which makes people uncomfortable more times than not. At times we're led to give a word to a weary soul which makes them anything but uncomfortable. There's a time and a place and the Spirit knows best.
I personally don't think there's a cut and dry right or wrong answer. Life will always be case by case, day by day. Yes we have fundamentals that are our bedrock and they should never change, but as Jesus said in John 3:8 we're like the wind and the Spirit carries us and guides us as such. So given the person, the scenario, the background etc.- the Spirit knows what the person needs when they need it. Our duty is to be that willing vessel, whether they want to kill us after we speak or fall into our arms thanking us with tears.
I personally don't think there's a cut and dry right or wrong answer. Life will always be case by case, day by day. Yes we have fundamentals that are our bedrock and they should never change, but as Jesus said in John 3:8 we're like the wind and the Spirit carries us and guides us as such. So given the person, the scenario, the background etc.- the Spirit knows what the person needs when they need it. Our duty is to be that willing vessel, whether they want to kill us after we speak or fall into our arms thanking us with tears.
I see some people replace swear words with other words like flippin' to replace the f word. I say, you may as well say the f word because I think it's spirit of it at the end of the day.
I have to be under a lot of pressure for me to let out an explicitive under my breath, I feel bad when I do and I'm working on that.
I have to be under a lot of pressure for me to let out an explicitive under my breath, I feel bad when I do and I'm working on that.
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When we have fear, we are told to read the bible, especially verses on fear, to replace the fearful thoughts.
When someone uses a replacement word it's because they don't want to use the actual cuss word.
By your logic we should just remain in fear.
When someone uses a replacement word they are attempting to express themselves in a way that's not wrong. It's an active action to Not sin. How is that the same spirit as saying a cuss word? They didn't say it. On purpose. They made an effort to not do something wrong and you qualify that as still wrong?
When someone uses a replacement word it's because they don't want to use the actual cuss word.
By your logic we should just remain in fear.
When someone uses a replacement word they are attempting to express themselves in a way that's not wrong. It's an active action to Not sin. How is that the same spirit as saying a cuss word? They didn't say it. On purpose. They made an effort to not do something wrong and you qualify that as still wrong?