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Songbird_7

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I'd like to know what other Christians think about being involved politically. Is it wrong to vote, to immerse oneself in politics, to debate about it, to fight in the military, etc, or do you think that because we are not of this world and our allegiance is to God and His kingdom that we should have no part in those things? Here in the US things are getting very heated. I've been voting since I was 18, but I've started questioning it because I'm at a place where I don't believe in either political party anymore. I feel that they are all corrupt. However, I also see us heading toward socialism which always leads to something much worse. Being raised to be "patriotic", it is hard for me to watch this happen. Many feel that God was leading those who fought during the American Revolution and that we should fight today to keep our freedom. I feel strongly about that as well, but at the same time know that God has a plan and ultimately all earthly governments will fall. So what should our place in all of this be and do you have biblical references for your reason? Thoughts?
 

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It's not wrong as long as we remember who the true King is, so regardless of how dire things get God is in control.
 
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danschance

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1) Should Christians be involved politically?

I for one have chosen to abstain from voting because I see both parties as being "Evil or less evil". Both parties, if not all of them, do things that offend me as a Christian. However, this is a personal choice and I would not demand others to do I as I do. We each must do as our conscious dictates.


2) Should Christians be involved with the military?

There is nothing wrong with defending our country and maintaining peace. However, it would be wrong to obey immoral or criminal orders and to support an immoral government. The bible shows one case were an immoral order was given and it should not of been followed. David ordered the murder of Uriah the Hitite to cover up his adultery.

Keep in mind that the Israelites had a military and the bible shows that God gave that military force orders. We see great stories of how God used the military to clean out the promised land, how David killed Goliath and the amazing story of Gideon, to name a few. So clearly military service can be a good thing.
 
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Kefa52

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God is the ultimate athority on Law. The government is subject to God.

 
Romans Chapter 13: 1-7


A Christian’s Duties to the State

1 Everyone must submit to the governing authorities,a for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.

2 So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval.

4 For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenged that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.

5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.

6 And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks.

7 Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect and honor to those you owe honor.

 

The purpose of Civil Authority (the State) is #1 to Punish evil, #2 Condone Good. The laws are created by God, not man.

This is why we are to pray for the Men, and Women in authority. So that God will give then knowledge, and wisdom to run the government in submission to God.

This is also why we vote. We submit to the athority of God when we vote with Christian Values.


13:1 Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.

Instituted by God means the God makes his laws and the government is under Gods authority to make sure the laws they make are blessed by God.

What do we do when the government makes a bad law? We follow it because we are subject to that law.

Jesus lived under a corrupt Roman government and He followed the laws. He even payed taxes knowing most of it was going in the tax collectors pocket.

 
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Songbird_7

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Hmm. Good thoughts. I have to wonder, though, if God would really want us to obey a wicked leader. What if we lived in China and I was told that I would have to abort my child because I already have one? Or what about those who hid Jews from the Nazis, risking their lives? In many countries, Christians gather together in secret because it's against the law. I guess I struggle with this because I know God sets up the governments and tells us to be subject to them, but it also says (can't remember exactly where) that we ought to obey God rather than men. If the disciples had obeyed the law, they would have stopped preaching in the name of Jesus for which they were beaten and imprisoned. They were ordered to not preach the name of Jesus, and as soon as they were released they were right back at it. And as for voting, how do I really know that I'm voting Christian values? I don't put a lot of stock in politicians and what they say. I have always voted conservative, but I see the Republican party going down the same path as the Democrats (and I don't want to get into a political argument here) in wanting such a huge centralized government. Both parties have strayed from the values of our founding fathers. So what do we do when they start rounding up our guns and wanting to control every aspect of our lives? I don't think it's a far stretch to say that this could happen, and many will fight. Guess I'm wondering, should Christians get involved in something like that or would we be fighting against God's judgement and his plan for the country? I have thought about the fact that there were many wars in the Old Testament, but that was God directly leading his people and advising them so it seems a little different to me than going to war for a corrupt government that is not fighting for God. Jesus also said that the law had changed. In Matt 5:38-39 Jesus says that the old law said "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" but then he said that we should not resist an evil person but turn the other cheek. Can you turn the other cheek while you are shooting someone? I feel that there is a conflict here. "Love your enemy" is another command. Am I loving my enemy if I am trying to kill him? My husband was in the military and he has wondered about this, too. Where do we draw the line? I won't sit by and let an evil man break into my house and hurt my kids. I will do what I have to do in order to defend them. And I believe that our freedoms are worth fighting for, so it would be hard for me to sit by and let them be taken away to find my family living under an oppressive regime. Maybe it's one of those things where you don't know what to do until you are in that situation, and when you are God tells you what to do. These are just things I've been thinking about. Sorry if I don't make any sense!
 
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CDavid

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I'd like to know what other Christians think about being involved politically. Is it wrong to vote, to immerse oneself in politics, to debate about it, to fight in the military, etc, or do you think that because we are not of this world and our allegiance is to God and His kingdom that we should have no part in those things? Here in the US things are getting very heated. I've been voting since I was 18, but I've started questioning it because I'm at a place where I don't believe in either political party anymore. I feel that they are all corrupt. However, I also see us heading toward socialism which always leads to something much worse. Being raised to be "patriotic", it is hard for me to watch this happen. Many feel that God was leading those who fought during the American Revolution and that we should fight today to keep our freedom. I feel strongly about that as well, but at the same time know that God has a plan and ultimately all earthly governments will fall. So what should our place in all of this be and do you have biblical references for your reason? Thoughts?
I feel the same as you in many ways. But when I think of what Paul teaches; "rebuke and reprove sin, in season and out" I must always carry this thought into the voting booth. There's not always a lot to vote for when we cast our vote, but there seems to be a lot to vote against; (abortion, homosexual marriage, class envy, destruction of the God given rights that are enumerated in the constitution). I also wonder if churches are more interested in maintaining their tax exempt status, than they are in following Pauls instructions.

Paul also says "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." It seems to me, there's a lot of spiritual wickedness in high places, by the political powers that rule this principality we call the USA. Unless you are Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rev. Jessy Jackson or Min. Louis Farrakhan, you will loose your tax exempt status with this message. I think the church should follow the example set by Jesus, when He instructed His followers to pay the tax man.(Matt. 17:27)

As a veteran, I have always believed in serving. My service to my country was not to the politicians, and by serving this country, I was not serving the ground we stand on. My service was to the people. Each time I here of another military death, I think; "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Then I also think of what Jesus instructed. When Jesus was teaching, there was a law that if any military member asked a Jew to serve him by carrying weapons, the Jew was required to do this for one mile. Jesus said to go two miles, if asked to go one. This makes me think that if the military drafts me for two years, I should serve four. But, with the communist commander and chief we have today, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to serve. I could not serve under the current administration, with a clear conscience.

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The first and most important politics to mind for a christian is to be able to freely preach the gospel where he is at. Most westerners take this thing for granted today and some of them don't use that freedom very good.
 

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we have to be carefull here in the u.s. to not get to caught up in heavy politics as it is in our face 24-7. the pastor at my former church spent from august to election day bashing the president and calling on the church to fast and pray for him to be defeted. this is why this is my former church.
 
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Kefa52

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Hmm. Good thoughts. I have to wonder, though, if God would really want us to obey a wicked leader. What if we lived in China and I was told that I would have to abort my child because I already have one? Or what about those who hid Jews from the Nazis, risking their lives? In many countries, Christians gather together in secret because it's against the law. I guess I struggle with this because I know God sets up the governments and tells us to be subject to them, but it also says (can't remember exactly where) that we ought to obey God rather than men. If the disciples had obeyed the law, they would have stopped preaching in the name of Jesus for which they were beaten and imprisoned. They were ordered to not preach the name of Jesus, and as soon as they were released they were right back at it. And as for voting, how do I really know that I'm voting Christian values? I don't put a lot of stock in politicians and what they say. I have always voted conservative, but I see the Republican party going down the same path as the Democrats (and I don't want to get into a political argument here) in wanting such a huge centralized government. Both parties have strayed from the values of our founding fathers. So what do we do when they start rounding up our guns and wanting to control every aspect of our lives? I don't think it's a far stretch to say that this could happen, and many will fight. Guess I'm wondering, should Christians get involved in something like that or would we be fighting against God's judgement and his plan for the country? I have thought about the fact that there were many wars in the Old Testament, but that was God directly leading his people and advising them so it seems a little different to me than going to war for a corrupt government that is not fighting for God. Jesus also said that the law had changed. In Matt 5:38-39 Jesus says that the old law said "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" but then he said that we should not resist an evil person but turn the other cheek. Can you turn the other cheek while you are shooting someone? I feel that there is a conflict here. "Love your enemy" is another command. Am I loving my enemy if I am trying to kill him? My husband was in the military and he has wondered about this, too. Where do we draw the line? I won't sit by and let an evil man break into my house and hurt my kids. I will do what I have to do in order to defend them. And I believe that our freedoms are worth fighting for, so it would be hard for me to sit by and let them be taken away to find my family living under an oppressive regime. Maybe it's one of those things where you don't know what to do until you are in that situation, and when you are God tells you what to do. These are just things I've been thinking about. Sorry if I don't make any sense!

A Christian’s Duties to the State. Romans 13:1-7,13



1 Everyone must submit to the governing authorities,a for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.

2 So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval.

4 For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenged that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.

5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.

6 And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks.

7 Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect and honor to those you owe honor.

13:1 Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.

 


GOD is in control.

1. { but it also says (can't remember exactly where) that we ought to obey God rather than men.}

I am not talking about men. I am talking about Government. Please show me that scripture.

 

GOD is in control.

2. (I have to wonder, though, if God would really want us to obey a wicked leader. What if we lived in China and I was told that I would have to abort my child because I already have one?)

Is China a Christian Nation? No. The government there will suffer the wrath of God.

God is in control. God has not called me to worry about China. God is in control and he has called people to be missionaries in China. I am to give money and pray for the missionaries in China.

 

GOD is in control.

3. (Or what about those who hid Jews from the Nazis, risking their lives? In many countries, Christians gather together in secret because it's against the law. I guess I struggle with this because I know God sets up the governments and tells us to be subject to them, but it also says (can't remember exactly where) that we ought to obey God rather than men.

Romans 13:5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.

Is the wrath always from a fair government?..No. So when we choose to go against the government we need to be prepared to suffer wrath.



GOD is in control.

4. {If the disciples had obeyed the ( Jewish or Government ) law, they would have stopped preaching in the name of Jesus for which they were beaten and imprisoned. They were ordered to not preach the name of Jesus, and as soon as they were released they were right back at it.}

Who's law were they breaking. The Government or the Jewish Law?

Luke 23:13-15..13 Pilate called together the chief priests, the leaders, and the people

14 and said to them, "You have brought me this man as one who subverts the people. But in fact, after examining Him in your presence, I have found no grounds to charge this man with those things you accuse Him of.

15 Neither has Herod, because he sent Him back to us. Clearly, He has done nothing to deserve death.

Jesus was not killed by the government. He was killed by the Jews.

 

GOD is in control.

5. (Can you turn the other cheek while you are shooting someone? I feel that there is a conflict here. "Love your enemy" is another command. Am I loving my enemy if I am trying to kill him? My husband was in the military and he has wondered about this, too.)

 

Romans 13:4 For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenged that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.



The government gives the sword to the Military, the Police, and related agencies- . Through training. Ceremony and uniform they carry the Sword to do good.

 

If I pick up a gun and just shoot someone, it is murder.



If I am defending myself, or my family against evil. I believe I am given the sword in that moment. Just for that moment. We better be right when we pull the trigger.

 

GOD is in control.

6. (These are just things I've been thinking about. Sorry if I don't make any sense!)

You make sense in the flesh.. Remember "GOD is in control", and we don't see the big picture.

 

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not rely on your own understanding.

God is in control and God knows the big plan.
 
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I'd like to know what other Christians think about being involved politically. Is it wrong to vote, to immerse oneself in politics, to debate about it, to fight in the military, etc, or do you think that because we are not of this world and our allegiance is to God and His kingdom that we should have no part in those things? Here in the US things are getting very heated. I've been voting since I was 18, but I've started questioning it because I'm at a place where I don't believe in either political party anymore. I feel that they are all corrupt. However, I also see us heading toward socialism which always leads to something much worse. Being raised to be "patriotic", it is hard for me to watch this happen. Many feel that God was leading those who fought during the American Revolution and that we should fight today to keep our freedom. I feel strongly about that as well, but at the same time know that God has a plan and ultimately all earthly governments will fall. So what should our place in all of this be and do you have biblical references for your reason? Thoughts?
Personally, I feel my allegiance is owed to God and as part of that; having the right mentality to live in the world while I am here.

It means loving all people.

I have much compassion for soldiers, even if I do disagree with some motives, and with violence in general. I find that soldiers carry a heavy burden.

I have pity for people who are ragingly patriotic, because generally it leads to a form of blind faith, and a lot of anger, and people could do without that inside them.

Governments, I believe are put here by God. Not all adhere to God's laws and commands per-se, but instead create laws for the rights of the masses. The right to do anything, unless it infringes on another's rights, which I believe to be the proper ruling of a land.

I have the right not to be christian, as I do to be a follower of Jesus. I have the right to abstain from sin, or partake in it, as long as it does not infringe upon another's rights (murder, theft etc).

And people have the right to go above and beyond that law and try to stick unto God's.

I also believe there are reasons why there are variations in culture and people.

If I were a King, I would rule as this;

Laws

There is to be no premeditated murdering of humans, unless in exceptional circumstances, which is to be decided by teams judge, jury, investigators and psychological professionals.

there is to be no slaughtering of animals except that which is painless and humane. there is also to be no public hanging of animals or unprocessed animal parts. All animals hung must be kept in private or designated premises, such as marketplaces.

There is to be no death penalty for any crime.

There is to be no violence except that which is used in self-defence or as an act of peacekeeping, by either police or citizen. Such acts must be within context. We do not allow for a person who attacks in an unarmed state to be shot, for instance. An act of violence is considered as any of the following; Willful physical striking or hurting of another person by any body part, or with any weapon or object. Though this is within context. If a person is assaulted with a piece of paper, this is more likely to be adjudged as harassment, rather than assault.

There is to be the freedom of any race, religion, creed, sex, age or sexual orientation to live within the walls of this land.

There are to be no public sexual acts whatsoever. A person may engage in any sexual act, oral or penetrative, privately at their own discretion. This does not include acts which would be considered inhumane, perverse or violent. Both parties must be alive and willing.

There is to be no bestiality whatsoever.

There is to be no forceful sexual acts, or any act of such which is not permitted by both sides.

There is allowed to be alcohol sold to whomever wishes it (except children), through licensed vendors, but none can drink it outside the confines of a private, or licences premises, or in designated areas.

There is to be no theft.

There are to be public schools, free to all citizens, though non-compulsory, which should a person wish to enrol into; there will be one compulsory subject; morality. Others will be based on interest of the child and reviewed yearly.

Parents or guardians shall have sole authority over whether a child is home-schooled or publicly educated; up to the age of 13.

Parents or guardians shall have sole custody and authority over a child in all other aspects up to the age of 16, unless the child's rights are infringed, in which case the case will be properly investigated through means of police and counselling teams to establish the situation.

If (a) parent(s) is/are found to be mistreating a child, the parents will be counselled on proper parenting, or confined in a rehabilitation environment until suitably reformed. In this case, the child will be held in a secure and regularly vetted recreational and educational environment until such times as the parents are deemed suitably reformed, or until the age of 13, whichever is sooner. When the child leaves at the age of 13, they may continue studies for free, and the government will supply the child with a home and allowances, free of charge at governmental expense, until the age of 16, during which time the child will be frequented by a temporary guardian, who is vetted and approved by police and psychologists regularly. After this period, normal governmental policy for young adults applies.

At the age of sixteen, a person becomes a young adult in the governments eyes. A young adult has all privileges of an adult, with these exceptions; alcohol purchase is limited to three units maximum, and only with meals. Young adults may live outside their parental homes, but only with parental permission and adequate resources for living. If the young adult was previously in governmental care, or goes into governmental care, the government will continue to house them, and allow the young adult living allowances until the age of 18.

At the age of 18, all citizens become full adults.

The age of accountability varies depending on mental state, to be assessed by multiple professionals, should the need arise. As a rough guide, this age is at around 10 years old. But it is highly dependant on several factors.

There are lots more but you get the picture.


I don't necessarily agree with a lot of these things, but at the same time, the right for someone to live their life as they please is important, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.

People will always have the choice to be followers or not.
 
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Kefa52

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Personally, I feel my allegiance is owed to God and as part of that; having the right mentality to live in the world while I am here.

It means loving all people.

I have much compassion for soldiers, even if I do disagree with some motives, and with violence in general. I find that soldiers carry a heavy burden.

I have pity for people who are ragingly patriotic, because generally it leads to a form of blind faith, and a lot of anger, and people could do without that inside them.

Governments, I believe are put here by God. Not all adhere to God's laws and commands per-se, but instead create laws for the rights of the masses. The right to do anything, unless it infringes on another's rights, which I believe to be the proper ruling of a land.

I have the right not to be christian, as I do to be a follower of Jesus. I have the right to abstain from sin, or partake in it, as long as it does not infringe upon another's rights (murder, theft etc).

And people have the right to go above and beyond that law and try to stick unto God's.

I also believe there are reasons why there are variations in culture and people.

If I were a King, I would rule as this;

Laws

There is to be no premeditated murdering of humans, unless in exceptional circumstances, which is to be decided by teams judge, jury, investigators and psychological professionals.

there is to be no slaughtering of animals except that which is painless and humane. there is also to be no public hanging of animals or unprocessed animal parts. All animals hung must be kept in private or designated premises, such as marketplaces.

There is to be no death penalty for any crime.

There is to be no violence except that which is used in self-defence or as an act of peacekeeping, by either police or citizen. Such acts must be within context. We do not allow for a person who attacks in an unarmed state to be shot, for instance. An act of violence is considered as any of the following; Willful physical striking or hurting of another person by any body part, or with any weapon or object. Though this is within context. If a person is assaulted with a piece of paper, this is more likely to be adjudged as harassment, rather than assault.

There is to be the freedom of any race, religion, creed, sex, age or sexual orientation to live within the walls of this land.

There are to be no public sexual acts whatsoever. A person may engage in any sexual act, oral or penetrative, privately at their own discretion. This does not include acts which would be considered inhumane, perverse or violent. Both parties must be alive and willing.

There is to be no bestiality whatsoever.

There is to be no forceful sexual acts, or any act of such which is not permitted by both sides.

There is allowed to be alcohol sold to whomever wishes it (except children), through licensed vendors, but none can drink it outside the confines of a private, or licences premises, or in designated areas.

There is to be no theft.

There are to be public schools, free to all citizens, though non-compulsory, which should a person wish to enrol into; there will be one compulsory subject; morality. Others will be based on interest of the child and reviewed yearly.

Parents or guardians shall have sole authority over whether a child is home-schooled or publicly educated; up to the age of 13.

Parents or guardians shall have sole custody and authority over a child in all other aspects up to the age of 16, unless the child's rights are infringed, in which case the case will be properly investigated through means of police and counselling teams to establish the situation.

If (a) parent(s) is/are found to be mistreating a child, the parents will be counselled on proper parenting, or confined in a rehabilitation environment until suitably reformed. In this case, the child will be held in a secure and regularly vetted recreational and educational environment until such times as the parents are deemed suitably reformed, or until the age of 13, whichever is sooner. When the child leaves at the age of 13, they may continue studies for free, and the government will supply the child with a home and allowances, free of charge at governmental expense, until the age of 16, during which time the child will be frequented by a temporary guardian, who is vetted and approved by police and psychologists regularly. After this period, normal governmental policy for young adults applies.

At the age of sixteen, a person becomes a young adult in the governments eyes. A young adult has all privileges of an adult, with these exceptions; alcohol purchase is limited to three units maximum, and only with meals. Young adults may live outside their parental homes, but only with parental permission and adequate resources for living. If the young adult was previously in governmental care, or goes into governmental care, the government will continue to house them, and allow the young adult living allowances until the age of 18.

At the age of 18, all citizens become full adults.

The age of accountability varies depending on mental state, to be assessed by multiple professionals, should the need arise. As a rough guide, this age is at around 10 years old. But it is highly dependant on several factors.

There are lots more but you get the picture.


I don't necessarily agree with a lot of these things, but at the same time, the right for someone to live their life as they please is important, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.

People will always have the choice to be followers or not.

What I think doesn't matter much. GOD is in control.
 
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However, I also see us heading toward socialism which always leads to something much worse.
Nope. There was never any danger of the USA being Socialist. There never was. So whoever said that to you was flat out wrong and most likely, lying. Bearing false witness against neighbours.
 
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CDavid

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Nope. There was never any danger of the USA being Socialist. There never was. So whoever said that to you was flat out wrong and most likely, lying. Bearing false witness against neighbours.
The US is socialist in many ways already, and is headed deeper in that direction.
We have socialist security, welfare, government controlled minimum wages, along with many other socialist programs, two of the three auto makers are now government controlled, and now we have a socialist health insurance system. Now they want to follow the example that the great socialist, Adolf Hitler spoke of;"To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens". When this happens, and it is happening as I write, the star spangle banner will be replaced with a sickle and hammer.
 
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Songbird_7

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Well, I'm not here to argue politics. I'm simply wrestling with what I believe and seeking the truth. I will never argue with what the Word of God has to say, and from what I have read in Scripture, mainly in the New Testament, I don't see anywhere where God wants us to be giving all of our time, attention, and worry with anything of this world. I John 2:15 says "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
II Timothy 2:5 says "No man that wars entangles himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who has chosen him to be a soldier." I do believe in obeying the laws and the authorities over us, unless they are asking us to disobey God. Did Daniel bow and worship the king? No. And he was thrown in with the lions, but God showed himself strong and was glorified. Sometimes I think we have it too easy in the US and are never challenged in our faith to a deeper knowledge of God. Would we call ourselves Christians if we knew we could be imprisoned or tortured or even killed? Imagine if those who go through these things had the freedom we do. What would they be doing differently? I've been trying to push myself out of my comfort zone, to seek the Lord, and follow His lead. After all, our main job is sharing the Gospel, right? Not worrying about the government. Oh, and the verse I was talking about was Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather than men," but you are correct Kefa that it was the high priest and the Sadducees who had the apostles arrested. Great discussion. Gives me more to ponder....
 
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Songbird_7

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In Connecticut, a law was proposed (not sure if it was passed) to have a tax rebate of $2,000 for anyone who turns in any type of "assault weapon", and they gave a list of what constitutes an assault weapon. First it's voluntary, but then I believe it may become compulsory. This does disturb me because of what history shows us happens when citizens are disarmed. But, as much as we may worry about this, God also reminded me "are you putting your faith in your guns or in me?"
 
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Great thread Songbird 7. You know exactly what is going on & many Christians are blind to it. I agree that we have a 2 party corrupt system.Vote when you want to, or vote for the lesser of the 2 evils or vote 3rd or 4th party, or write in someone.
We could become Amish & not be a part of this world at all. God wouldn't ask us to surrender our guns, because He knows that Christians would be persecuted if we did. However, the Bible does ask us to follow the law.
If we give medicine to a sick child does that mean we are not putting our faith in God?
We are not disrespecting God by owning a gun, nor are we putting our" faith" in guns. Guns may allow us to practice our faith & not be imprisoned for it, or beheaded.
 
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Songbird_7

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LOL Webchatter. I live down the road from some Amish and I have thought many times that they are much smarter than the rest of us. We are trying to learn a more self sustaining lifestyle, but we are so dependent on the system. I see a lot of people, "preppers", putting provisions away and I go back and forth between thinking they're paranoid or very smart.
I'm more of a Libertarian than Republican in my views. I almost did vote 3rd party this last time, but the thought of another 4 years of Obama changed my mind. Of course, he won anyway and that is God's will so I'm ok with it. Hey, you can only do so much.
I guess what I meant about putting faith in guns is, if our guns were taken, would we think that all hope is lost and that God can't take care of us? Jesus talked about us being persecuted for His name. That's a given. Things might get tougher here in the near future, our rights to practice our religion may be infringed, etc, but God is still on His throne. I just think we need to be aware of what's going on.
 
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ndovu

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i dont think its wrong to get involved politically or in anything else whatsoever as long as it is not immoral(or sinful)and is being done for His glory alone and not to please men nor for selfish gain,monetary or otherwise.colossians 1;15-16 romans 13titus 3;1 1peter 2;13.john19;10-11 proverbs 8;15.since God is the genesis,cause and reason of everything,governments,military law etc we should diligently indulge in anything we feel for,knowing that there is a superior authority besides the set(earthly) laws and regulations governing such activities lest we abet or get used by others for their own ends.regardless the reward/consequences we should be on the look out to serve the Creator and not the creature
 
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CDavid

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Because Christians have not been politically active we now have; abortion on demand to the tune of 1.2 million each year, open homosexuals in the military, no 10 Commandments or any other Judeo Christian symbols in public, no prayer in school, homosexual marriage around the corner, and a Muslim in the White House.
We deserve the government we get!