Christians' roots start with the killed Prophets of Israel. Part #2

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Jesus’ religion/ WAY:

The WAY of the good people, (the Prophets), was taught by Jesus, the Mighty God of Israel.

Jesus taught a continuation of the Tradition of the despised and killed Prophets.
Jesus’ 12 chosen and anointed Apostles were his and his Father’s worldwide servants >> (to men),
under the New and better Covenant that is based on better promises from him and his Father.

Jesus joins the Prophets to the Apostles
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Paul, who many Jews hate, explained the Christian ROOTS to the Gentile converts.

Eph.2
[19] Now therefore you (baptized Gentiles)
are no longer strangers and foreigners >> (to the Christ of Israel)
but now you are fellow citizens with the saints >> (the Prophets etc.)
and of the household of GOD
[20] and (you the worldwide ear opened and eye opened Christians)

are built (ROOTED) upon the foundation of the Apostles
and the murdered Prophets >> (and not the Hebrew or Jewish roots who killed the Prophets)
Jesus Christ, (the God of the Prophets), himself (PERSONALLY)
being the chief corner (bonding) stone.
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The Prophet Isaiah was told, the New Direction, for the children, by GOD

Isa.1
[10] Hear the Word of the LORD, you rulers (Jewish Priests) of Sodom >> (Jerusalem)
Give ear to the law of our God, you people (Jews) of Gomorrah >> (Jerusalem)
[11] To what purpose (valuable benefit) is the multitude of your (animal) sacrifices to me?

saith the LORD:
I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts;
and I do not delight (find pleasure) in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of male goats.
[12] When you (Jews) come to appear before me,

who has required this >> (sacrificing of innocent animal) at your hand, to tread my courts?
[13] Bring no more vain oblations

incense is an abomination unto me;
the new moons and Sabbaths,
the calling of assemblies (gatherings), I cannot, away with.
It is iniquity (evil), even the solemn meeting.
[14] My soul hates your New Moons and your appointed (3) feasts:

they are a trouble to me.
I am weary to bear (to tolerate) them.
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Your hands are full of blood >> (of the Prophets etc.)
[16] Wash you >> (from hatred and evil)

Make you clean
Put away the evil of your doings (to others) from before my eyes.
Cease to do evil >> (love and do good).

Jesus continued the Teachings from Isaiah:
The main Christian Teachings are love ad good deeds to everyone.
Jesus, creates the NEW person.

Luke.6
[22] Blessed are you (Apostles etc), when men (Israelites) shall hate you,
and when they shall separate you from their company,
and shall reproach you and cast out your name as evil,
for the Son of man's sake >> (the Apostles said = Jesus was the LORD, the God of Israel)
[23] In that day rejoice and leap for joy:

for, behold, your reward in heaven is great
for similarly their (the disobedient non-believers) fathers >> (the prophet killers),
did to the (O.T.) Prophets >> (like Isaiah)
[26] Woe to you (Apostles and others),

when all men (the good and the evil of Israel) shall speak well of/ about you!
for similarly their >> (the disobedient ones), fathers >> (who killed the TRUE Prophets)
treated the FALSE Prophets >> (the devils = liars and convincing seducers)

The continuation of the Teaching the Prophets: LOVE for and good to all.
[27] But I (the hated lawgiver of Israel)
say to you >> (the Apostles and others) who hear
Love your (wicked) enemies.
Do good to the (wicked) Israelites who hate you >> (of the prophets)
[28] Bless the (wicked) Israelites who curse you >> (of the prophets)

Pray for the (wicked) Israelites who despitefully use you >> (of the prophets)
[29] To him (the wicked), who smites you on one cheek offer the other one also.

Him (the wicked), who takes away your cloak forbid not from taking your coat also.
[30] Give to every man (poor Israelite) who asks of you

and of/ from him (the robber Israelite) who takes away our goods do not ask for them again.
[31] and like you would that men should do (good) to you, similarly do also (good) to them likewise.
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[35] But love your enemies,

and do good,
and lend, hoping for nothing again;
and your reward (from GOD) shall be great,
and you (of the prophets) shall be the Children of the Highest
for he is kind to the unthankful and to the evil >> (Israelite)
[36] Therefore be merciful (good) like your Father also is merciful.

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To the Jews and unconverted Gentiles:“You must be born again”
and have a new beginning >> as a member of the New creation, the Spiritual man >> (Phase #2)

Judaism, in defiance of GOD, is a religion that was created by the Jewish Elders.

The Proof:
2 Kings 17
[18] Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel >> (the N.Kingdom of 10 tribes),
and removed (exiled) them out of his sight.
There was none left (of the 12) but the tribe of Judah only.
[19] Also Judah did not keep/ obey the commandments of the LORD their God,

but they walked in ‘the Statutes of Israel’
that they made >> (= called the Tradition of the Elders).
[20] and the LORD rejected ALL the seed of Israel (the 12 tribes), and afflicted them,

and delivered them into the hand of spoilers >> (of their lives)
until he had cast them out of his sight.

Jesus: the hated Lawgiver of Israel.

Mark.7
[5] Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Jesus:
Why don’t your disciples >> (the Apostles)
walk according to >> (Judaism) the Tradition of the Elders >> (Judaism)
but they eat bread with unwashed hands? >> (not hygienic)
[6] He (the hated Mighty God) answered and said to them:

Well has Esaias, like it is prophesied of/ about you hypocrites >> (insincere in heart)
This people (of Israel) honor me with their lips but their heart is far from me.
[7] However, in vain (uselessly) they worship me >> (in the Temple)

by teaching >> (substituting) the commandments of (Jewish) men
for Doctrines >> (of GOD)… (Gentile Baptism Ordinance was changed).

[8] For laying aside (voiding) the commandment of GOD,
you uphold the Tradition of (Jewish) men,
like the washing of pots and cups ...
[9] and Jesus (the hated righteous God of Israel) said to them:

Full well (deliberately) you reject the commandment of GOD,
so that you may keep your own tradition >> (from Jewish men = the devil)

More from Jesus their hated God:

John.7
[19] Didn’t Moses give you (Jews) the law >> (from GOD),
and yet (rebelliously)
not one of you >>(of Judaism) keeps/ obeys GOD’s law?
Why do you go about to kill me?

To the baptized Spirit filled Christian:
[1] Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the LORD >> (Jesus)
To reinforce the same things to you (converts)
indeed is not grievous to me >> (the anointed Paul)
but for you >> (the sheep of the hated Christ) it is safe >> (cautious)
[2] Beware of dogs >> (the biting opponents of GOD’ servants and his people)

Beware of evil workers >> (the devils in word and their deed)
Beware of the concision >> (whom GOD has cut off and cast away)
[3] We >> (the baptized Israelites and Gentiles)
are (GOD’s) circumcision >> (from hate and evil)

who (gleefully) worship GOD in the (our) Spirit >> (our inner man)
and rejoice in Christ Jesus,
and have no confidence in the (human) flesh >> (but in the Spirit)

The profile of our Fathers, whom GOD saved as a good seed.

Zeph.3
[13] The Remnant (the few honorable) of Israel >> (the Apostles first)
(1) shall not do iniquity >> (washed),

(2) nor speak lies >> (washed.)
(3) neither shall a deceitful tongue be found (by GOD or man)
in their mouth >> (washed)

(4) for they, (starting with the Apostles) shall feed >> (the unyielding Word of GOD)
(5) and they shall lie down >> (comforted),
(6) and no one>> (devilish Jew or devilish Gentile)
shall make them afraid >> (because of BOLDNESS >>)

Christians are the People of the living GOD, who know how to maintain their own happiness and Spiritual health.
Due to our GOD given, enjoyable, responsibility and the GOD implanted love, in us, for everyone
we are zealous to pass on the KNOWLEDGE and Gifts from GOD and Christ to ALL nations of people
for we are all from the ONE GOD, who is the Father of ALL.

We need the EXCELLENT Spirit of our good Father.

We get that EXCELLENT Spirit, through obedience to baptism calling on Jesus, for pardon,
from under the water.

For the TRUTH to survive and to reach and benefit all international people,
the liars against GOD’s Doctrine and their children must be curtailed by GOD.
Those who erred innocently or were deceived will, in respect to GOD, correct their Doctrine.

The children of GOD will cleave to respect and obedience to GOD and his Ministers.
GOD does not speak aimlessly, including his universal and unyielding counsel on Baptism.

Christian ROOTS:

2 Pet.2
[2] That you (the baptized converts) may be mindful of the predictions
that were spoken before by (1) the Holy Prophets >> (like Isaiah),
and of the commandment of us (2) the Apostles of the LORD
and Savior>> (the hated Mighty God Israel)


1 Thes.2
[14] For you, brethren, became followers of the churches of God
who in (residing in) Judaea are in Christ Jesus >> (the hated God of the Jews)
for you (baptized converts) also have suffered similar persecution from your own countrymen,
even as they have (suffered persecution) of the Jews >> (of Judaism)
[15] who have killed the LORD Jesus >> (the incarnated God of Israel)

and have killed their own Prophets >> (who are our Fathers)
and they (of Judaism) have persecuted us >> (the Holy Apostles our Christian Fathers)
and they do not please but anger (the longsuffering) GOD and they are contrary (opposed) to all men:
[16]forbidding us, (the Apostles and the Church Fathers) from speaking to the Gentiles

that the Gentiles might be saved (and not destroyed),
to fill up their sins always:
for the wrath (from the righteous Father)
is/ has come upon them to the uttermost >> (very severely in 70 A.D.)

Acts.7
[51] You stiff necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears,
you (of Judaism) always resist the Holy Ghost
as your fathers (who killed the Prophets) did, so do you
[52] Which of the (O.T.) Prophets haven’t your fathers (the devils) persecuted?

and your fathers (of Judaism) have slain the Prophets
who predicted of the coming (incarnation) of the Just One >> (Jesus the hated God of Israel)
of whom you, (the children of the Prophet killers, the children of the devil)
have now been the betrayers and murderers:

Christian ROOTS is of the hated and killed Prophets,
Jesus the hated and killed God and his GOD
and then the hated and persecuted and some killed Apostles.

Eph.2
[20] and (you the worldwide ear opened and eye opened Christians)
are built (ROOTED) upon the foundation of the Apostles
and of the murdered Prophets >> (and not the Hebrew or Jewish roots who killed the Prophets)
Jesus Christ, (the God of the Prophets), himself (PERSONALLY, coming as a man)
and being the chief (main) corner (joining/ bonding) stone >> (of the Prophets and Apostles)

GOD took vengeance on the Jews of Judaism in 70 A.D.

Rev.18
[20] Rejoice over her (Jerusalem), you (inhabitants) heaven,
and you Holy Apostles and (O.T.) Prophets;
for GOD has avenged you on her >> (the Jerusalem of Judaism)

There is GREAT happiness plus on the other side of particular baptism.
 
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1 Tim.2
[4] GOD will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
 
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A good man said. "if you do not know your history then you are doomed to repeat it."

The prediction is that things will repeat.
False Prophets ruled in Israel and False Teachers will rule the worldwide believers.
The devil is visible.
 
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LORD Jesus Christ, Our Leader and Commander, >> God blessed forever... :)
 
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Gentiles were treated like rags and our money leaked away.

No more LORD... No more.

Remove the human stumbling blocks quickly and teach us O LORD, our light.
 
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Rev.18
[20] Rejoice over her, you heaven,
and you Holy Apostles (like Peter, James, James)
and Prophets (like Isaiah, Jeremiah); for GOD has avenged you on her >> (Jerusalem 70 A.D.)
[21] And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying,
hus with violence shall that great city Babylon (Isa.48:20) be thrown down,
and shall be found no longer at all.
[22] And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters,
shall be heard no more at all in thee;
and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee;
and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
[23] And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee;
and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee:
for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;
for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
[24] And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints,
and of all who were slain upon the earth.
[HR][/HR]
 
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Jer.19
[3] Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem;
Thus saith the LORD of hosts (Jesus), the God of Israel; (Jesus)
Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever hears, his ears shall tingle.
[4] Because they have forsaken me, >> (NOW in Baptism)
and have estranged this place,
and have burned incense in it unto other gods,
whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah,
and have filled this place with the blood of innocents >> (the Prophets)
 
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Exod.23
[7] Keep thee far from a false matter >> (lies);
and the innocent (Prophets) and righteous slay (kill) thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.
 
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[4] Because they have forsaken me, >> (NOW in Baptism)
Please show book chapter and verse that says one must call out to Christ while under water to be baptixed correctly! Your secret keeping cult has no special knowledge.

For those who are unaware this cult has secrets they don’t want to share on CC see this response with quotes from wordsponge @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300649 or maybe you would prefer this quote fromdaughterof light @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300637
 
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Please show book chapter and verse that says one must call out to Christ while under water to be baptixed correctly! Your secret keeping cult has no special knowledge.

For those who are unaware this cult has secrets they don’t want to share on CC see this response with quotes from wordsponge @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300649 or maybe you would prefer this quote fromdaughterof light @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300637
I second Doulos.......
 
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The Templars was shrouded in secrecy and proclaimed to the world their unfailing faith in Christ. But, in secret, whose buttocks did they kiss?

Has not God revealed to us His salvational plan through His written Word? Yet, there are some who would say, "Nay! Faith is not the path which presents one before God. I have been given the revealed formula. Come and follow me".

Be not mislead! Surely, God has not lied when He said that faith in His Son is what gains access to Him. Certainly, faith is what He ordained. Jesus says, "Come and follow Me", the One who revealed God's will.
 
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The Templars was shrouded in secrecy and proclaimed to the world their unfailing faith in Christ. But, in secret, whose buttocks did they kiss?

Has not God revealed to us His salvational plan through His written Word? Yet, there are some who would say, "Nay! Faith is not the path which presents one before God. I have been given the revealed formula. Come and follow me".

Be not mislead! Surely, God has not lied when He said that faith in His Son is what gains access to Him. Certainly, faith is what He ordained. Jesus says, "Come and follow Me", the One who revealed God's will.

If Jesus is not answering you then he has not acknowledged you.
Try some confession regarding disrespect to him and his Apostles and ask him to guide you.
You have no relationsship with Christ.
Deal with him.
 
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Acts.20
18] And when they (the Elders) came to him, Paul said to them:
You know, from the first day that I came into Asia,
after what manner (of godliness = faith, love abd good deeds) I have been with you at all seasons,
[19] Serving the LORD with all humility of mind,
and with many tears, and temptations (troubles),
that befell me by the lying in wait of the
(murdering/ unconverted) Jews.

 
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If Jesus is not answering you then he has not acknowledged you.
Try some confession regarding disrespect to him and his Apostles and ask him to guide you.
You have no relationsship with Christ.
Deal with him.
And Jesus would answer according to Scripture.

If that which you preach is from Christ, then those souls from thousands and thousands of years have falsely given their souls to the Lord, just because they were not baptist in the manner which has been revealed to you.

Do you honestly think that God would hid the means of salvation to only reveal it now through you? Do you really think that you can fool people into believing that faith is not the "ordained access" to God when it was His Messenger who said it was?

How is it that it is I who disrespect Him when it is you who add to Scripture?

You say I have no relationship with Christ, yet you would call me brother? If you are a messenger sent from God with a new way to salvation, would not God have told you before you called me brother, that I was indeed not a brother, if what you say is true? It would seem we have a problem here. Either I am a brother or not. If I was a brother at first and because I do not agree to this fantasy of yours, I become not a brother, then would that not make you, somewhere along the line, a double speaker?

I deal with you because it is you who has brought in a new way to salvation. You have yet to answer what becomes of those souls who call upon the Lord to be their Savior and has not been given the opportunity to be baptist in the manner you describe. What if they were to die before they had that opportunity?
 
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And Jesus would answer according to Scripture.

If that which you preach is from Christ, then those souls from thousands and thousands of years have falsely given their souls to the Lord, just because they were not baptist in the manner which has been revealed to you.

Do you honestly think that God would hid the means of salvation to only reveal it now through you? Do you really think that you can fool people into believing that faith is not the "ordained access" to God when it was His Messenger who said it was?

How is it that it is I who disrespect Him when it is you who add to Scripture?

You say I have no relationship with Christ, yet you would call me brother? If you are a messenger sent from God with a new way to salvation, would not God have told you before you called me brother, that I was indeed not a brother, if what you say is true? It would seem we have a problem here. Either I am a brother or not. If I was a brother at first and because I do not agree to this fantasy of yours, I become not a brother, then would that not make you, somewhere along the line, a double speaker?

I deal with you because it is you who has brought in a new way to salvation. You have yet to answer what becomes of those souls who call upon the Lord to be their Savior and has not been given the opportunity to be baptist in the manner you describe. What if they were to die before they had that opportunity?

You cannot contradict Christ and be his sheep simultaneously.

enjoy the delusion :)
 
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You cannot contradict Christ and be his sheep simultaneously.

enjoy the delusion :)

No, I am not enjoying your deceiving delusion. I stand before you as a guardian of the written Word. And I still will not step out of your way, as you have suggested.
 
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Wordsponge,

Do you believe you are a messenger sent from God to deliver the message of true baptism?
 
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Wordsponge,

Do you believe you are a messenger sent from God to deliver the message of true baptism?
Focus on yourself and Jesus the door of the sheep.

My fathers were not killed so that we could be without insight.

Our master, who has already JUDGED you advised:
Matt.7
[6] Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend (atomize) you.

The murdered Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles are our Fathers.