Christmas Trees Are not Pagan

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Tintin

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10 Hear the word that the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Thus says the Lord:
“Learn not the way of the nations,
nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens
because the nations are dismayed at them,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]for the customs of the peoples are vanity.[SUP][a][/SUP]
A tree from the forest is cut down
and worked with an axe by the hands of a craftsman.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]They decorate it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so that it cannot move.

Christmas is honoring the the birth of Jesus. the bible tells us all about His birth but the tree is not part of the story. that custom is of the nations.
Christmas today is about how much can you spend and the more you love them the more money you spend.
and Christmas trees are cut down, decorated, and fasten to a stand so they can not move.

the majority that celebrate Christmas today dont do it for Jesus, they do it for themselves.

the nations, vanity, decorated tree, the passage seems pretty spot on to me.
Christmas trees are a Christian tradition from the 1600s. And that verse is about crafting man-made idols and then worshipping them. Reaching Christmas trees into the text just doesn't work.
 
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Tintin

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Christmas trees are a Christian tradition from the 1600s. And that verse is about crafting man-made idols and then worshipping them. Reaching Christmas trees into the text just doesn't work.
A Christian German tradition.
 
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No, it's not just about carved idols.
The people did worship the tree itself as well as stumps of trees as a part of pagan worship.
The argument that it's simply about carved idols is just an excuse.
 
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Tintin

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No, it's not just about carved idols.
The people did worship the tree itself as well as stumps of trees as a part of pagan worship.
The argument that it's simply about carved idols is just an excuse.
Nonsense. It's not an excuse. It's using context and one's brain to not make fallacious arguments against Christmas. Ande even if it was a pagan practice, so what? Christ redeems pagan things. Like you and me.
 
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Nonsense. It's not an excuse. It's using context and one's brain to not make fallacious arguments against Christmas. Ande even if it was a pagan practice, so what? Christ redeems pagan things. Like you and me.
Christ redeems mankind.
God specifically says not to worship Him in any way that the pagans utilized... two very different things. An apple and oranges comparison really.
 
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Tintin

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Christ redeems mankind.
God specifically says not to worship Him in any way that the pagans utilized... two very different things. An apple and oranges comparison really.
Maybe, Holy Spirit convicted you about such things, but He's never convicted me about such things. And as this isn't a non-biblical practice, this is one of the freedoms we have in Christ. The weaker brother scenario and all that.
 

notmyown

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A Christian German tradition.
my sister just got home from Germany, and she went to a Krist Kindl (Christ Child) Mart while she was there.

trees everywhere, if her pics are to be believed. :)
 
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Nonsense. It's not an excuse. It's using context and one's brain to not make fallacious arguments against Christmas. Ande even if it was a pagan practice, so what? Christ redeems pagan things. Like you and me.
Brother Tintin, if you read the history of Nimrod and Semiramis you get the picture of Christmas trees and presents we are using today.

Christ doesn't redeem pagan things but He will redeem the pagan worshippers if they turn to Him.
 
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BeyondET

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10 Hear the word that the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Thus says the Lord:
“Learn not the way of the nations,
nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens
because the nations are dismayed at them,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]for the customs of the peoples are vanity.[SUP][a][/SUP]
A tree from the forest is cut down
and worked with an axe by the hands of a craftsman.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]They decorate it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so that it cannot move.

Christmas is honoring the the birth of Jesus. the bible tells us all about His birth but the tree is not part of the story. that custom is of the nations.
Christmas today is about how much can you spend and the more you love them the more money you spend.
and Christmas trees are cut down, decorated, and fasten to a stand so they can not move.

the majority that celebrate Christmas today dont do it for Jesus, they do it for themselves.

the nations, vanity, decorated tree, the passage seems pretty spot on to me.
TinTin is correct about the passage being about wooden Idol making, the couple of verses posted are just the first part the other verses explain the cutting down the tree to make wooden idols that can't walk but have to be carried around.

Jeremiah 10: 1-10 NIV


1Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel. 2This is what the Lord says:

“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.
5Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.”
6No one is like you, Lord;
you are great,
and your name is mighty in power.
7Who should not fear you,
King of the nations?
This is your due.
Among all the wise leaders of the nations
and in all their kingdoms,
there is no one like you.
8They are all senseless and foolish;
they are taught by worthless wooden idols.
9Hammered silver is brought from Tarshish
and gold from Uphaz.
What the craftsman and goldsmith have made
is then dressed in blue and purple—
all made by skilled workers.
10But the Lord is the true God;
he is the living God, the eternal King.
When he is angry, the earth trembles;
the nations cannot endure his wrath.
11“Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’ ”

12But God made the earth by his power;
he founded the world by his wisdom
and stretched out the heavens by his understanding.
13When he thunders, the waters in the heavens roar;
he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth.
He sends lightning with the rain
and brings out the wind from his storehouses.
14Everyone is senseless and without knowledge;
every goldsmith is shamed by his idols.
The images he makes are a fraud;
they have no breath in them.
15They are worthless, the objects of mockery;
when their judgment comes, they will perish.
16He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these,
for he is the Maker of all things,
including Israel, the people of his inheritance—
the Lord Almighty is his name
 
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kaylagrl

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A Christian German tradition.
Right there were no OT Christmas trees,didn't exist. If a person feels convicted about it,don't do it.But don't make the Bible say something it doesn't.
 
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TinTin is correct about the passage being about wooden Idol making, the couple of verses posted are just the first part the other verses explain the cutting down the tree to make wooden idols that can't walk but have to be carried around.
The history of Nimrod and his mother tells us a different tale. When Nimrod died, his mother planted a tree (she said that the tree grew from a dead tree stump) and left him presents on his birthday for his return (25 December).
 
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kaylagrl

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Im on the fence with christmas after watching this video https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=9OivtSAyOBY
Sorry
but thats rather old news. Its been cobbled together over time. Again,if you feel convicted don't celebrate it. Sports came from pagan origins but no one would say don't watch sports,idolatry if Ive ever seen it. So if trees are an idol,sports certainly are. Something to think about.
 
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kaylagrl

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The history of Nimrod and his mother tells us a different tale. When Nimrod died, his mother planted a tree (she said that the tree grew from a dead tree stump) and left him presents on his birthday for his return (25 December).
Where is this found?
 
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Sorry
but thats rather old news. Its been cobbled together over time. Again,if you feel convicted don't celebrate it. Sports came from pagan origins but no one would say don't watch sports,idolatry if Ive ever seen it. So if trees are an idol,sports certainly are. Something to think about.
In many countries sport is an idol. You are correct.
 
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would say most countries. But thank you for agreeing. The story of Nimrod, where is that found?
You can Google Nimrod and Semiramis Christmas :)

They are the source to the corruption of Christmas and Easter.
 
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kaylagrl

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:D In the old days it would have been in an encyclopaedia but now you can use prophet google :p
Ahhhh I will have to check it out. So its extra Biblical... The old encyclopedia,lol my husband and I were talking about that the other day. How excited we'd be when each letter would come in the mail.lol They weren't useful for long.
 
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BeyondET

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In many countries sport is an idol. You are correct.
I do agree that some sports are idolism but not all the bible speaks about foot running in a race against others and being a winner in that race.