Chuck Missler

[Johnny_B]

I doubt Chuck Missler is an anti-white racist. There are people who try to mix the teaching that the sons of God in Genesis 6 were angels with alien theories. Maybe they interviewed him and spun his teachings into their theory.

I never said Chuck was a racist, I said the cult of the Aliens are. So you're saying that an interviewer spun his theory, yet there's a DVD and a book with his and his co-athour name on them and reviews of those with the readers and viewers saying that they were about UFO's and aliens. His co-athour taught at a church that I was going to for one week on this nephilim, alien, UFO's and the measurements of a pyramid to get the teaching, with the nephilim returning to have sex with women before Christ's return. It was all him and Mark. If you can teach something like that taking one verse out of context then adding two more that inspire you to write a book and do a DVD, what else can you twist. He's also known for using computers to decode hidden messages in the Bible.

1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 "Never damp the fire of the Spirit, and never despise what is spoken in the name of the Lord. By all means use your judgement, and hold on to whatever is really good, Steer clear of evil in any form." Phillips Translation
All I'm doing is steering clear and trying to help others fro be aware that he has taught held to unbiblical teachings before. So test all thing hold to what is good and avoid what isn't. If Chuck was a Jewish prophet he would of been stoned. So beware of his teaching, knowing he can go down a rabbit trail that could lead to people doubting God's word. Be like those in Berea Acts 17:11 "These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out weather these things were so."I say this with any teaching or teacher.

 

[presidente]

Johnny_B

he idea is that demons deceive people and make them think that they are aliens, but that they aren't really 'space aliens' from another planet. Hugh Ross is an astrophysicist and a pastor. He has interviewed people who claimed to see UFO's. In his experience, among those whose experiences can't be explained away as simple natural phenomenon, the more intense the individual's involvement with the occult, the more intense his UFO experiences are likely to be. The ones who talk with aliens tended to be the ones heavily involved in the occult prior to their alien experience. A couple of scientists who researched aliens both commented that the experiences of those who encountered aliens were similar to if not identical to accounts of experiences with demons. One report of accounts of discussions with aliens showed that a high percentage of these discussions-- I think it was around 30%-- denied the deity of Christ. Some discussions promoted fornication and other sinful behavior.

 

[presidente]

If Chuck was a Jewish prophet he would of been stoned.

Based on what criteria?

Be like those in Berea Acts 17:11 "These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out weather these things were so."I say this with any teaching or teacher.

If you read on, the Bereans ran the preachers of the Gospel out of town, too.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

My knowledge of the Bible could be encapsulated in a matchbook, but as someone who is so grossly ignorant, I have found Missler's teachings to be easy to follow, and I have appreciated that he has gone into great depth on the topics I have looked into.

I've got a YouTube video of him speaking on in the background as I type this.

 

[presidente]

That these Nephilim were the offspring of that union and they are the ET's that are part of the UFO's. Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven." Angels can't have sex, not only that but it violates what God said in creation, each after their own kind.

Israelites were forbidden to bread critters of different kinds, but mules exist. If the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6 are angels, then notice they are not the angels of God in heaven. II Peter 2 speaks of angels who left their proper abode. Reading through II Peter and Jude, the fallen angel theory does seem to fit those passages. Jude even quotes from the book of Enoch, which goes into some detail into this theory.

If it were a great heresy, then many early Christians would have held to a heretical belief. I know Tertullian made reference to the idea that demons were fallen angels and their children. That may have been before his Montanist days. I think I read another reference to the idea, maybe Jerome, I'm not sure. There may be other references to the idea among early Christians.

I am not 100% convinced of it, but it does seem to fit the text better than the other theory I have heard, especially II Peter and Jude.

 

[samuel23]

People love to assume, kind of like one sheep assuming that the other sheep knows where he is going, and that sheep is assuming and on and on. A careful look at scripture and common sense debunks the popular teaching that when angels crossed with humans that they produced giants. First the bible, Genesis never said that when angels crossed with humans it produced giants. First we are informed that in those days there were giants, after that we are also informed that when angels crossed with humans that they produced men of great ability, not giants just men of great ability(like Hercules). Two different and unique beings, giants, and also men like Hercules. Besides the giants came back after the flood and we are clearly told that they came from other giants, not angels. Now the common sense, a 5'6'' woman could have a baby by a 6'6'' angel even though her baby would be large. A 5'6'' woman would have to be impregnated by an 15' 1500 pound angel in order to give birth to a 10' giant, also she would die way before she could deliver and so would the baby. So folks please think, there never were any giants that had angel fathers, just giants that had giant fathers. The angels did have sons of great ability by women but they were normal size, Hercules would be one.

 

[presidente]

samuel23

The word Nephilim is translated 'giants' so that is where the belief comes from. I think it may have been translated to refer to giants in the Greek text as well. Even when it is translated as 'Nephiliim' one could conclude that they were giants from texts like this.

Numbers 13
33 [FONT=&quot]There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.” (NRSV)[/FONT]


If giants were born little and became large after birth, a normal human mother could give birth to a giant.

 

[Base12]

Are you thinking KJV of 1 Peter 1.1-2? I don't remember exactly. Yes, Christians are strangers in this world. Strangers is an alternative word for aliens. Our citizenship is in heaven.

Pastor Mike did an awesome presentation called 'Alien Agenda'.

He covers a lot of ground in this video...

[video=youtube;w9MD64iLknE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9MD64iLknE&t=48s[/video]

 

[Johnny_B]

Johnny_B

he idea is that demons deceive people and make them think that they are aliens, but that they aren't really 'space aliens' from another planet. Hugh Ross is an astrophysicist and a pastor. He has interviewed people who claimed to see UFO's. In his experience, among those whose experiences can't be explained away as simple natural phenomenon, the more intense the individual's involvement with the occult, the more intense his UFO experiences are likely to be. The ones who talk with aliens tended to be the ones heavily involved in the occult prior to their alien experience. A couple of scientists who researched aliens both commented that the experiences of those who encountered aliens were similar to if not identical to accounts of experiences with demons. One report of accounts of discussions with aliens showed that a high percentage of these discussions-- I think it was around 30%-- denied the deity of Christ. Some discussions promoted fornication and other sinful behavior.

I agree people seeing aliens are seeing demons. At the same time that wasn't what Chuck and Mark were teaching at that time. It was that the nephilim were ET's and that angels were having sex with women here on earth that produced them. That these nephilim would be coming to earth before the return of Christ and would be having sex with women of the earth.

Have you ever listen to his and Marks teaching on these matters of the nephilim, son of God, et's and them returning to earth to have sex with women of the earth?

 

[Johnny_B]

Israelites were forbidden to bread critters of different kinds, but mules exist. If the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6 are angels, then notice they are not the angels of God in heaven. II Peter 2 speaks of angels who left their proper abode. Reading through II Peter and Jude, the fallen angel theory does seem to fit those passages. Jude even quotes from the book of Enoch, which goes into some detail into this theory.

If it were a great heresy, then many early Christians would have held to a heretical belief. I know Tertullian made reference to the idea that demons were fallen angels and their children. That may have been before his Montanist days. I think I read another reference to the idea, maybe Jerome, I'm not sure. There may be other references to the idea among early Christians.

I am not 100% convinced of it, but it does seem to fit the text better than the other theory I have heard, especially II Peter and Jude.[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE]

I hope I'm understand ing you right, that the fallen angel do not fit the II Peter and Jude verses. I understand there are mule, but were there mules in Israel before Christ?

I never said it was a heresy, I don't think it's a teaching that would lead to hell. It just makes me wonder if you can't interpret Genesis 6:4 in the order it was set. What else can you get wrong and you reminded me that they did use the book of Enoch as well.

 

[PennEd]

I never knew til I came in this site that there was another take on Gen. 6 than fallen Angels mating with humans. I certainly was shocked to see people actually offended by the idea.

I think fallen Angels mated with human women, but I'm in no way offended if you buy the line of Seth theory. To slander Missler on this says more about those doing it than it does about him!

 

[Johnny_B]

Based on what criteria?

Him speaking forth that these nephilim would be returning to earth to have sex with women, when the nephilim were not the result of the union of the sons of God and the daughters of men. They were there when this happened and after it happened, the nephilim. The children of that union were men of renown.

6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who of old, were men of renown.

If you read on, the Bereans ran the preachers of the Gospel out of town, too.

Acts 17:13-14 "But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was proclaimed by Paul at Berea also, they came there too, agitating and stirring up the crowds.Then the brothers immediately sent Paul off on his way to the sea, but Silas and Timothy remained there."

No they didn't, it was the Jews from Thessalonica, the Berea's that searched the Scriptures, became brothers and help Paul escape from those Jews from Thessalonica. The Scripture says that those Jews from Thessalonica came there too, there where, Berea, when they learned that the word of God was being preached in Berea. It was the Thessalonician Jews that chased Paul out of Berea, not the Bereans.

Presi, I'm not trying to make you feel bad or look bad by explaining the verse, I don't want you to think that I was trying to make fun of you or anything else. I just wanted to explain the verse to show how it wasn't the Berea's that chased Paul out of town and if I have misinterpreted what you said I am sorry for that. God bless brother.

 

[Johnny_B]

I never knew til I came in this site that there was another take on Gen. 6 than fallen Angels mating with humans. I certainly was shocked to see people actually offended by the idea.

I think fallen Angels mated with human women, but I'm in no way offended if you buy the line of Seth theory. To slander Missler on this says more about those doing it than it does about him!

You are right, I want to ask for forgiven of everyone I upset that was not my intent or to slander either, I didn't think I was slandering. It goes way deeper than I could post here and it's on my side not Chuck or Mark's. So please for all I offended I ask for forgiveness and if by any chance Chuck or Mark, any family member or friends have seen this I ask that if you can forgive me about this.

If anyone took this as Chuck or Mark as not being brothers, I do not think that. I want to thank PennEd for bringing this to my attention, may God bless you my brother.

 

[presidente]

Him speaking forth that these nephilim would be returning to earth to have sex with women, when the nephilim were not the result of the union of the sons of God and the daughters of men. They were there when this happened and after it happened, the nephilim. The children of that union were men of renown.

6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who of old, were men of renown.

Now how in the world to you jump from that to a stonable offense, even if you think that he is dead wrong? That doesn't make sense at all. Did he even prophesy it in the name of the Lord? Making predictions based on interpretations of scripture and prophesying in the Bible sense aren't the same thing. Even if the word 'were' is in that verse, it doesn't prove it won't happen again. Those who teach this sort of thing base it on New Testament scriptures about things being as they were in the days of Noah.

Notice the verse you quote says 'and also afterward.' There were descendants of the Nephilim in the promised land after the flood.

Acts 17:13-14 "But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was proclaimed by Paul at Berea also, they came there too, agitating and stirring up the crowds.Then the brothers immediately sent Paul off on his way to the sea, but Silas and Timothy remained there."

No they didn't, it was the Jews from Thessalonica, the Berea's that searched the Scriptures, became brothers and help Paul escape from those Jews from Thessalonica.

Where was the crowd from that they stirred up? They stirred up the crowds in Berea.

 

[wolfwint]

You are not listening to Chuck Missler. He doesn't believe in aliens.

Well, if somebody is claiming that the bible has hidden codes which are not to see for all who read the bible in a normal way, like the people did since the bible is written, and is also saying that this codes and hidden messages are written from extraterrestrial species (and is not meaning God), then I must say I cant believe such an teacher, doesnt matter if he maby saying rigth things, too;
here an copyquote:
(Koinonia House advertisement for Cosmic Codes)
Chuck Missler’s Cosmic Codes: Hidden Messages from the Edge of Eternity is a 535-page textbook for the Koinonia Institute Bible Course, BTE 620: Introduction to Biblical Cryptology. Here is a description from the KI [Koinonia Institute] Handbook:
This course includes an introduction to cryptography (the study of secret writing), with a survey of codes and ciphers: transpositions and monoalphabetic, polyalphabetic, and polygraphic substitutions.
It explores the surprising use of encryptions in the Biblical text, including—but not limited to—the controversial equidistant-letter-sequences which have been so fancifully promoted.
Microcodes (“jots and tittles”), Macrocodes (strategic anticipatory structures) and Metacodes (beyond the boundaries of physical reality) are explored.
Paracryptology and extraterrestrial communication investigations are also highlighted.[ii]

I asked myself what this hidden messages are revealing? Anything which makesGod great and honor him? Anyting which helpes us as christians to trust and worship the Lord more? I am convinced everything we as his children must know is revealed in His Word the bible and is not given in a hidden message!
What is the result if aliens wrote the codes? Then maby God is not God but an Alien? Are this Aliens also createt as like everything? How they then can write the scripture and putting the codes in? Was it not the Holy Spirit ?
Finaly it leads to questioning that the Bible is really the word of God!
Sorry, im my eyes this Chuck Missler is a false teacher for to make money ore for deceive the believers? ore for both?
I am wondering how christians can jump on his train!

 

[Johnny_B]

Now how in the world to you jump from that to a stonable offense, even if you think that he is dead wrong? That doesn't make sense at all. Did he even prophesy it in the name of the Lord? Making predictions based on interpretations of scripture and prophesying in the Bible sense aren't the same thing. Even if the word 'were' is in that verse, it doesn't prove it won't happen again. Those who teach this sort of thing base it on New Testament scriptures about things being as they were in the days of Noah.

Notice the verse you quote says 'and also afterward.' There were descendants of the Nephilim in the promised land after the flood.



Where was the crowd from that they stirred up? They stirred up the crowds in Berea.

You're right it is a jump, that I shouldn't of made. As far as was he prophesying, if you take that to mean making a prediction of something that would happen in the future then yes he was.

As far as the Bereans, I understood you to say that it was the same Bereans that searched the Scriptures, was it a crowd in Berea yes, was it the same crowd. When looking at the Scripture it's more then like not the same crowd that searched the Scriptures or the same crowd that was there that day. Acts 17:12-13 "Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men. But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was preached by Paul at Berea, they came there also and stirred up the crowds."

Verse 11 say that they searched the Scriptures daily, this event didn't all happen on the same day, it happened over days. Then it says "but when" which seems to indicate that it was after the Bereans that searched the Scriptures daily believed. Were they the same Bereans that searched the Scripture daily, no, they help Paul escape from the Jews from Thessalonica, could it have been some that were there, but didn't search the Scriptures daily and believe, yes. Here's another reason it couldn't of been the same crowd or day, Thessalonica is 72 kilometers away from Berea. It take from 12 to 15 minutes for a person to walk one kilometer take the lower number and it's 864 minutes or 14.4 hours to walk to Berea from Thessalonica. With the time it took for the message to get to those Jews in Thessalonica and the time for them to all get together to make the trip it would of took them at least a day to get ready to make the trip, so we don't know how many but there was a day that past at the least with a day to make the trip there are at the least 2 days that past. If I misunderstood you I'm sorry, as I mentioned I thought you were saying it was the same Bereans that believe by Paul preaching the Scripture that chased him out of town.

More then that thanks for bring these things to my attention, if I offended you please forgive me, God bless.

 

[presidente]

You're right it is a jump, that I shouldn't of made. As far as was he prophesying, if you take that to mean making a prediction of something that would happen in the future then yes he was.

That's not what 'prophesying' means in the Bible, certainly not the Hebrew word translating 'prophesying.' And the death penalty passage has to do with speaking in the name of the LORD. Prophets would say things like 'Thus saith the LORD.' Genuine prophesying has to do with speaking 'as moved by the Holy Ghost.'

And you can't know what he predicted won't come to pass or isn't. It's a stretch to get that from 'as it was in the days of Noah' to draw that conclusion, IMO, or from the going after strange flesh passage, which seemed to apply to Jude's day.

As far as the Bereans, I understood you to say that it was the same Bereans that searched the Scriptures, was it a crowd in Berea yes, was it the same crowd. When looking at the Scripture it's more then like not the same crowd that searched the Scriptures or the same crowd that was there that day. Acts 17:12-13 "Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men. But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was preached by Paul at Berea, they came there also and stirred up the crowds."

Verse 11 say that they searched the Scriptures daily, this event didn't all happen on the same day, it happened over days. Then it says "but when" which seems to indicate that it was after the Bereans that searched the Scriptures daily believed. Were they the same Bereans that searched the Scripture daily, no, they help Paul escape from the Jews

The typical pattern was for some in the synagogue to believe and some not to. In Thessalonica, they apparently didn't even carefully search the scriptures, not like the Bereans did. Probably, some of those who searched the scriptures in Berea participated in running out of town, and some others believed. The crowds stirred up would have been Berean crowds. There were bad Bereans, too.

 

[Bladerunner]

Chuck Missler isan ex CIA think tank guy. That has come up with some very un-bibical doctrines. He used to be part of the Calvary Chapel movement, but his teachings on the sons of God in Genesis 6 being ET's that had sex with the daughters of men and how the Bible taught about UFO's. Didn't set well with Chuck Smith, so he move on from there. The last time I seen him he was on the history channel as part of the Ancient Alien theory, other wise know as the "Cult of the Aliens". The basic teaching of these guy once you dig into their beliefs.

That Aliens came to earth in search of gold because the ozone layer in the universe had a whole in it and gold was needed to fix it. When they came down to earth, man was still a neanderthal just this side of being monkeys. So these aliens place some of their DNA in man to make him more intelligent so they could be the drones working the gold mines for them. Once they placed the DNA in man, he became modern and white. It's very racist at it core.

When I first started listening to Chuck Missler he had some good teachings on the Messiah and the prophecy about him. One thing you'll find out fast about Chuck, is once you've heard a few teachings he starts repeating himself. Is he still in Idaho tater country?

Johnny_BTo be sure, I have several hours of listening to Chuck Missler and He is one of the more upstanding scholars around the Bible. Yes, he does dabble in the 4-10 dimensions the Bible tells us about, so do I from time to time. The Word ET mean 'Extra-Terrestrial' or 'NOT of this Earth'..... We have been getting reports of increase activity of UFOs worldwide. Are they ETs? The Bible leads us to believe they are coming from Satan and his legion of angels that fell with him.

While I have not heard what Chuck Smith's had to said concerning the "THE SONS OF GOD" in Genesis 6
I doubt very seriously if he regards Chuck Missler with anything but admiration. His (Chuck Missler) teachings, take you beyond the ordinary scholar mainly because of his specialty was in the signal corp. They during the all Wars, would take great pains with messages intercepted trying to understand what they meant.

Interesting enough, he has applied this ability to see phrases, parts of speech, etc to the Bible as a Mathematician would do to the "Theory of Relativity". Yes, he has a great success with his teachings around the world.

As for the "The Sons of God", they appear 11 times in the KJV. The "The Sons' of God" a term consistently used in the Old Testament for angels which would also included Lucifer. One can also find some good reading in the following scriptures.(Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7;Luke 20:36).

There are many that will teach that the "The Sons of GOD" represent the leadership in the "Lines of Seth" thus the "daughters of Man" in Genesis 6 are restricted to the 'Line of Seth'. There are many scholars including Chuck Missler that have debunked the ' 'LINES of SETH' beyond a shadow of a doubt. My viewpoint is inline with Chuck Missler and the other Scholars on this subject.

As far as the Neandethals and the monkeys, He is dead set against evolution and goes to a great extent to prove that The Bible is Provable. He Pretty well does it and I too am against evolution.

If you watched enough of his videos, you already know that he repeats other points in the Bible (as you stated); one because they also are part of each session of teaching or their restatement has an affect on the main teaching or they are in comparison. I think you will find the Bible does repeat things as in NT to OT.

As for your falsifying and slandering of this brilliant teacher, I say the best thing is to move on. He has done nothing to you other than give you his opinions and I will guarantee that HE has never told you to believe HIM on anything he has taught.........He always tells you to do as the Bereans did and search the scriptures daily of what he tells you, that is is true. It is evident you have not done this.

I submit to you..... Is there not a sin called:" Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour "????????????

At the very least you SHOULD do is give your opinion vs his writings based on your views of the scriptures so someone like me can follow another line of reasoning (your view) rather than simply reading your opinion of the Man who is doing the Teaching.

Yes, I listen/read many viewpoints every day written by many authors including you and others? If you don't like his teaching....than move onto someone's teaching that are more inline with your viewpoints.

I will ask you as HE does to follow the Bereans and abide by (ACTs 17,11).KJV).."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so"

If you will do that, I think you find many more treasures in the Bible that are out there waiting for you to find. Good Luck my Friend and Have a Blessed Day,

Blade

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[Bladerunner]

Well, if somebody is claiming that the bible has hidden codes which are not to see for all who read the bible in a normal way, like the people did since the bible is written, and is also saying that this codes and hidden messages are written from extraterrestrial species (and is not meaning God), then I must say I cant believe such an teacher, doesnt matter if he maby saying rigth things, too;
here an copyquote:
(Koinonia House advertisement for Cosmic Codes)
Chuck Missler’s Cosmic Codes: Hidden Messages from the Edge of Eternity is a 535-page textbook for the Koinonia Institute Bible Course, BTE 620: Introduction to Biblical Cryptology. Here is a description from the KI [Koinonia Institute] Handbook:
This course includes an introduction to cryptography (the study of secret writing), with a survey of codes and ciphers: transpositions and monoalphabetic, polyalphabetic, and polygraphic substitutions.
It explores the surprising use of encryptions in the Biblical text, including—but not limited to—the controversial equidistant-letter-sequences which have been so fancifully promoted.
Microcodes (“jots and tittles”), Macrocodes (strategic anticipatory structures) and Metacodes (beyond the boundaries of physical reality) are explored.
Paracryptology and extraterrestrial communication investigations are also highlighted.[ii]

I asked myself what this hidden messages are revealing? Anything which makesGod great and honor him? Anyting which helpes us as christians to trust and worship the Lord more? I am convinced everything we as his children must know is revealed in His Word the bible and is not given in a hidden message!
What is the result if aliens wrote the codes? Then maby God is not God but an Alien? Are this Aliens also createt as like everything? How they then can write the scripture and putting the codes in? Was it not the Holy Spirit ?
Finaly it leads to questioning that the Bible is really the word of God!
Sorry, im my eyes this Chuck Missler is a false teacher for to make money ore for deceive the believers? ore for both?
I am wondering how christians can jump on his train!

wolfwint.....I read you post and it was to say at least interesting. IS the one part I highlighted the Real you? I thinK so.

Let me ask you a questio. Are you against Chuck Missler because he can find the codes that do nothing more than SHOW God's Glory by SHOWING the BIBLE is divinely written ........WHO else could write those codes like that...Certainly not the 44 authors by themselves spread out of 1500 years.

With all the scoffers going around trying to discredit the Bible and in some cases, telling us we are not qualified to even try to interpret it, one would think that when someone who can PROVE the BIBLE was written by a DIVINE DEITY outside of our Dimension to see (GOD), we would at least give it a little more latitude..

Yes, I believe in the BIBLE codes. Why because I have seen them and without computers the founding of the codes would not be possible. In Daniel 12:4..."But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." What 2500 hears ago, this was spoken from a prophet of GOD.

If you want to find some codes, look at the Adams to Noah geneology in GEN 5.... Here let me give you the names.. You take the Greek meaning of the Names in the same order an see if you come up with the same words that depict Jesus coming to give the believers comfort and rest.

Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan(kenan), Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah ----OK YOUR TURN

The Jews especially the Messianic Jews are also using Bible codes to show us that only GOD could have written the Bible.

The Bible codes confirm the OT and the NT are in sync, embroiled with each other. This is far removed from the emerging church that is now covering the globe that states, ONLY the NT can be used and if needed sparingly the OT.

I think you have the compassion of a Christian for the people. The Bible codes do not tells us that they were put there by Aliens. Certainly Chuck Missler does not tell you in any of the reading, videos I have ever seen of him tell you they were put there by ALIENS. unless you consider GOD and alien.In my opinion, He is one of the truely great teachers.

He also tells you to NOT BELIEVE a WORD of what he says. but rather like the Bereans in Act 17:11..."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." NOW Ask yourself,,,,,,HAVE YOU REALLY DONE THIS?


HOW CAN A PERSON BE A FALSE TEACHER IF THEY TELL YOU NOT TO BELIEVE THEIR WORDS BUT LOOK THEM UP YOURSELVES?

That tells me that as a teacher HE wants you to Grow, He wants you to form your opinions on what you believe. HE WILL GIVE the information as any GOOD TEACHER will do but it really up to you to look it up and form an opinion.

I believe your opinion is that everything he tells you is false. that is ok. it also appears to be your opinion that he is a FALSE teacher. BUT it also appears that you did not really do what the teacher asked you to do before you formed that opinion. In this case, it is very sad.

May you have a Blessed Day,

Blade

 

[presidente]

wolfwint,

Where do you get this idea that Bible codes were supposed to have been written by aliens? Back in the 1990's, there was a newspaper article that told of how some reseachers at Hebrew University in Jerusalem found the word for 'holocoast' in the passage that dealt with the curses for not obeying Torah. I was in on a Bible code discussion online, I think it was on a listserve in the pre-commercial days of the Internet. I think I did not have my own PC at the time and was using PCs on campus, so I did not download the Bible code software to look for codes.

I read a book called 'Yeshua' which found the name of Jesus in various Old Testament passages. Something I read told of a rather lengthy sentence about Yeshua in Isaiah 53, that one Hebrew-reading Jew said sounded like something out of the Psalms.

Then there was a book on the Bible Codes that sold a lot of copies that I never read. A friend who read it told me he was disappointed at the fact that the guy didn't make the connection between the fact that there were these amazing codes in this book through which claims to reveal God. Instead he had a crazy theory that maybe aliens put it in there. The guy also 'broke the rules' by skipping letters and such.

Is that where you get the alien connection? His book sold more copies, but Christians and Jews were finding Bible codes before the man wrote the book with the alien theory. It isn't fair to attribute that theory to Missler if he hasn't taught it.