CONDEMNATION IS THE ROOT CAUSE

[ladylynn]

From the above, notice how much the focus is on self and the result of what Christ has done, but not Christ himself.

• The focus is on the Lord and thus what He has done for us (the lord becomes what he has done for us)
• We are a new creation.
• I know this conflicts with humanistic mindsets and they cannot understand what this new creation actually is.
• ...knowing what the Lord has done in His finished work for us is paramount in growing in the grace and knowledge of Him.
• the new creation in Christ is a complete mystery to this natural mind.

The Bible tells us to continually KNOW the LOVE of God IN Christ. We are to experience this love personally. To grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ..This seems to be a foreign concept to many who are so seeped in man made religion with it's certain restrictions.

What? we are to actually personally "feel" something? YES!! To know and to be KNOWN of God is AWESOME. God's Spirit communicates with our spirit that we ARE the son's of God. God made us to know Him and the power of His resurrection.

It is about a relationship with our Heavenly Father and His Son and the Holy Spirit. It's about RELATIONSHIP. God wants a relationship with us. If our walk is not "personal" with Jesus., something is wrong.

There are many believers who don't handle the word "love" very well so when other believers talk about the love of God "tooooo" much they get antsy and uncomfortable. When they see other Christians raising their hands in worship standing in the assembly and singing with raised hands and eyes closed they get reeeeaaalllly antsy. Because they got burned once in the emotional human reactions to spiritual things., they go the opposite extreme and can't handle any emotional forms of worship or reactions to God.

Many are only comfortable to discuss the emotional aspects of God's love when they are really sick or really needy like for a kidney transplant or something. Then., it's ok to get all emotional about their need. It's respectable to pray and maybe show some tears at that point. But then., quickly get a hold of yourself and close it all back up since 'we don't do that' stuff.

We can't allow our relationship with God to suffer because we were once hurt by past religious experiences or spiritual experiences. Remember., the devil takes good things that God meant for us to use and high jacks them and calls the good - evil AND THEN he calls evil - good. There is NO way to win when the enemy tries to make you reason Jesus out. The devil will burn you either way you go.

Words that describe knowing Jesus can't be allowed to be high jacked just because they 'sound' new age-y. I for one am not going to stifle and give over my hearts emotions to hide them because someone might consider me to be too in love with Jesus and tooooo emotional about it. I know many are offended when I say I'm in love with Jesus. I know this because it used to offend me when other Christians said it. And I still have major trouble standing in an assembly with raised hands in worship.

Religion is a very deep ingrained training for many of us. But we can't blame those who are not bogged down like we are because they openly love Jesus in a way we find hard to do. We who have "issues" with other peoples ideas and reactions to God need to let go and allow people to be who they are and not attach our judgments and prejudices to other people. It's not our right.

 

[ladylynn]

Oh., and just another thought (among many thoughts about the love of God) concerning this love thing., The Bible says for us to behold what manner of Love the Father has given unto us., that we should be called the sons of God!! God wants us to BEHOLD WHAT MANNER OF LOVE He has for us.

This is not a "suggestion" but it is what we are to DO. God believes it is very important for us to behold what kind of Love He has for us. If we can't behold His love., how can we love Him back? How can we love others??? This is love., NOT THAT WE LOVE GOD BUT THAT HE LOVED US!! So talking about the love God has for us is very right and full of obedience.

 

[ukok102nak]

:smoke: as it is written
:read:
Isaiah 63:16
Doubtless you are our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: you, O LORD, are our father, our redeemer; your name is from everlasting.

... . do we get condemn for not being acknowledge by israel
and abraham is ignorant of us

... . as the good prophets of
the lord god who is good and doesnt lie
said before
:read:
Joshua 9:7
And the men of Israel said unto the Hivites, Possibly all of you dwell among us; and how shall we make a league with you?
8*And they said unto Joshua, We are your servants. And Joshua said unto them, Who are all of you? and from whence come all of you?
9*And they said unto him, From a very far country your servants are come because of the name of the LORD your God: for we have heard the fame of him, and all that he did in Egypt,

Isaiah 24:13
When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done.
14*They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the LORD, they shall cry aloud from the sea.
15*Wherefore glorify all of you the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea.

and even the lord jesus christ the only begotten son of god told this parable
:read:
Luke 19:11
And as they heard these things, he added and spoke a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12*He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13*And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14*But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15*And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16*Then came the first, saying, Lord, your pound has gained ten pounds.
17*And he said unto him, Well, you good servant: because you have been faithful in a very little, have you authority over ten cities.
18*And the second came, saying, Lord, your pound has gained five pounds.
19*And he said likewise to him, Be you also over five cities.
20*And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is your pound, which I have kept laid up in a cloth:
21*For I feared you, because you are an austere man: you take up that you layed not down, and reap that you did not sow.
22*And he says unto him, Out of yours own mouth will I judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[God4me]

Nothing wrong with dressing well but to judge a person according to their dressing is looking at external appearance only. Has nothing to do with a persons heart. Mormons and JWs run around in lovely clothing, deceiving people with their smart dress but poisonous doctrines.

It has nothing to do with external appearances, It's what in the heart that God looks at, and if the heart is right, the external dress will be smart.

 

[God4me]

Interesting you are judging people by their physical appearances.

"Scruffy" people.

I wonder if that's what the Pharisees, all clean and tidy, high and mighty, thought about the lower man Jesus, who wasn't as learned as them? I wonder why Jesus said to the crowds, did you come to see a man dressed in fine clothing? Is that really what you are looking for?

Matt 11:7
7As they went away, Jesus began to speak to the crowds concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? 8What then did you go out to see? A man[SUP]b[/SUP] dressed in soft clothing? Behold, those who wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses. 9What then did you go out to see? A prophet?[SUP]c[/SUP] Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10This is he of whom it is written,

“‘Behold, I send my messenger before your face,
who will prepare your way before you.’

11Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence,[SUP]d[/SUP] and the violent take it by force. 13For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John, 14and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15He who has ears to hear,[SUP]e[/SUP] let him hear.

16“But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their playmates,
17“‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’
18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.”[SUP]f[/SUP]

The Bible doesn't say we should be like John the Baptist, It says we should be like Jesus, And He wore designer clothes.
Common sense and Spiritual maturity tell a person to dress smart for God.
Why do you people have a go at me for coming against scruffy people?. Anyone would think I'm coming against smartly dressed people.

 

[God4me]

Hello God4me., I'm thankful each day that our salvation is a finished work done by Jesus for us. This issue no longer comes up for me personally as a believer. I'm complete in Him. Walking His truth out by faith is what we are called to do. We are not called to keep getting saved each day. We walk out our salvation and the things He gave us. He gave us a spirit of power and love and a sound mind among many other things that come under the word 'salvation'. So we "walk it out"

This is how I'm committed along with other believers to live this out. Jesus already gave us the victory over sin., death and the flesh and the devil. I have to believe Him and work out what He has worked in me. Unless I do that I will not experience the fullness of my salvation.,even though the promises are mine even while here on earth for me to walk in. I don't have to wait till I die and go to heaven to have many of the promises meant for now. We are told to walk by faith and not by sight and then we WILL see.

I'm no longer a saved sinner., I'm now a saved son and my identity is hide IN Christ. I'm safe and secure and living in the promises now. I'm a saint not a sinner. Jesus secured my position as a righteous son no longer striving and afraid that God might not accept me. He accepts me 100% IN Christ. God accepted the sacrifice His Son made.

So now knowing there are so many more truths for us believers to have for the believing., I want all that Jesus died to give me so each day I learn more and more about Him and what He has done. What is this power that works within me? It's up to me to find out and walk it out by faith. (faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God)

Each of us has to do this personally. Yes., people are all on different individual places with that but the promises are for all of us. The reason I know Jesus is not pleading is because He gave all He had to give., all God required. Why would He have to do any pleading? He said it is finished and that is good enough for Him and for His Father. He is no longer suffering on the cross, He is seated at the right hand of the Father and they both are satisfied with what Jesus did. The marks on His resurrected body are there for all to see. He does not have to be re-crucified.

And it is not my business to try and regulate other people who believe they have to do more than Jesus. I can only share the truth of what He has done and trust the Holy Spirit will do as He did for me and release those people from the trappings of religion and give them the freedom Jesus died to secure for them. I know God loves them just as much as He loves me. But they need to believe it too.

And when they do., they will be so amazed they will get up every day in a new appreciation that Jesus could do such an impossible thing by loving so graciously and freely even though it is humanly impossible for us to comprehend He could love us like that., He does. To give us all things pertaining to life and godliness and for us to walk it out even this day. He did it all. Thank You Lord Jesus!

I agree with a lot of what you say, I don't teach that we need to be saved every day, or every time we sin.
And I do know that when we sins, Jesus DOES plead our case for forgiveness and cleansing, to God for those who confess their sins and repent. See 1 Jn 1: 8--10--1 Jn 2: 1--2.

Those who don't confess sins and don't repent, Are still in sin, unforgiven, uncleansed and unrighteous, According to the Bible.

 

[gb9]

The Bible doesn't say we should be like John the Baptist, It says we should be like Jesus, And He wore designer clothes.
Common sense and Spiritual maturity tell a person to dress smart for God.
Why do you people have a go at me for coming against scruffy people?. Anyone would think I'm coming against smartly dressed people.

how about we not concern ourselves with what other people are wearing, since it is a non-issue.

 

[Ariel82]

The Bible doesn't say we should be like John the Baptist, It says we should be like Jesus, And He wore designer clothes.
Common sense and Spiritual maturity tell a person to dress smart for God.
Why do you people have a go at me for coming against scruffy people?. Anyone would think I'm coming against smartly dressed people.

Because God looks at the inside of a person and you seem obsessed with outward appearances. The Pharisees were the smartest dressed folks of their day and Jesus came against them by calling them white washed tombs.

Jesus didn't wear designer clothes.

Doubt you really care either way.

Vacationing from your bridge?

 

[God4me]

how about we not concern ourselves with what other people are wearing, since it is a non-issue.

It is an issue with God, and it should be with those scruffy ministers.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It is an issue with God, and it should be with those scruffy ministers.

Actually, judging on external appearance is partiality and sin.

 

[God4me]

Because God looks at the inside of a person and you seem obsessed with outward appearances. The Pharisees were the smartest dressed folks of their day and Jesus came against them by calling them white washed tombs.

Jesus didn't wear designer clothes.

Doubt you really care either way.

Vacationing from your bridge?

If the heart is right, the outward dress appearance will be smart.
Jesus DID wear designer clothes, why do you think they cast lots for His garments???.

 

[gb9]

If the heart is right, the outward dress appearance will be smart.
Jesus DID wear designer clothes, why do you think they cast lots for His garments???.

because it was an old testament prophecy. not because they were urban outfitters.

 

[gb9]

If the heart is right, the outward dress appearance will be smart.
Jesus DID wear designer clothes, why do you think they cast lots for His garments???.

also, by that logic, drug lords must be great Christians, because most of them are snappy dressers!

 

[Ariel82]

If the heart is right, the outward dress appearance will be smart.
Jesus DID wear designer clothes, why do you think they cast lots for His garments???.

Because they didn't have machines to make their clothes, it was all woven by hand and most people only had one or two outfits to wear. Since it took a year to raise the sheep, get the wool, spin thread, dye and weave the clothe then sew it into clothes.

They cast lots so they would not cut up the garment into rags and because it fulfilled scripture.

I apologize I should not allude to your trollish behavior, you might truly believe that God cares about clothes.

 

[God4me]

Actually, judging on external appearance is partiality and sin.

Stating facts isn't judging people.

 

[God4me]

because it was an old testament prophecy. not because they were urban outfitters.

It was because the garments of Jesus were designer clothes, NOT just to fulfill propecy.
His garments were seamless, the most expensive clothes of the time.
If it was good enough for Jesus, then it should be good enough for those scruffy ministers who look like they are going to night clubs rather than to minister for God.
In fact some of them are so scruffy that they wouldn't get into a night club.

 

[Grace777x70]

My goodness...you have judging and condemning people down to an art form that the apostle James talked about.

In your religion - if you died tonight - if you didn't confess this sin - you would not be righteous and thus go to hell.

This is why this religious nonsense is NOT the gospel of the grace of Christ.

 

[gb9]

this is why " religion" is the enemy of the Gospel, not the friend.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It was because the garments of Jesus were designer clothes, NOT just to fulfill propecy.
His garments were seamless, the most expensive clothes of the time.
If it was good enough for Jesus, then it should be good enough for those scruffy ministers who look like they are going to night clubs rather than to minister for God.
In fact some of them are so scruffy that they wouldn't get into a night club.

I'd typically rather talk with a 'scruffy' minister than one dressed in a 3-piece suit. From my experience, the latter speaks to me of worldliness, seeking praise from men, compromise, conformity to the world's standards, hypocrisy, superficiality, plastic, phony, used-car salesman, etc.

 

[Church2u2]

Because they didn't have machines to make their clothes, it was all woven by hand and most people only had one or two outfits to wear. Since it took a year to raise the sheep, get the wool, spin thread, dye and weave the clothe then sew it into clothes.

They cast lots so they would not cut up the garment into rags and because it fulfilled scripture.

I apologize I should not allude to your trollish behavior, you might truly believe that God cares about clothes.

Exodus 28:2 "And you shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother for glory and for beauty". The discription of the High Priest's garments are beautiful and the beauty and tailoring of it was directed by God.Which makes me think that He cared about clothes.I can listen to a scruffy minister as long as that person is speaking sound doctrine But truthfully I would respect A nicely dressed minister quicker than I would one dressed like a bum.