Confused got a couple questions

[DiscipleDave]

I hear you DiscipleDave,but Jesus being the only begotten Son refers to His humanity,

Where is that in Scriptures? or where in Scriptures is your basis for that thought?

for He was the only human to ever be conceived by the Spirit,so He is the only begotten Son of God,where the saints are adopted in to the kingdom,and when the fulness of the time was come,God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,and made according to the flesh.

What you are not understanding though is, Jesus was the Son of God before the Earth was ever created, before Humans was even thought of. Jesus, the Son of God, created all the Angels in Heaven. This was done BEFORE Adam and Eve were created, BEFORE the EARTH was created. Jesus was the SON OF GOD from the beginning. He is the Alpha, the first of everything. The Father created the JESUS and then The Father created the HOLY Ghost. If you can bare it, the Father took a piece of Himself and created JESUS, He then took a piece of himself again and created the Holy Ghost. All three are made up of the FATHER HIMSELF. Jesus the SON OF GOD created Heaven, then He created the Angels, lucifer included. Then Heaven existed for eons time eons times eons, until one point in time, Lucifer desired to be JESUS, to take His Throne. IT is because of that, that the Earth was created and HUMANS were created. Please read "The Meaning of Life" to read what God has told me happened and why we are all here on this planet.

The SON OF GOD walked in the Garden with Adam and EVE. The Son of God was the "Lord Thy God" of the entire Old Testament, it was all Jesus.

Dan_3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Even the King said - is like the SON OF GOD - concerning seeing Jesus. This being said WAY before Jesus was conceived as a human man. What makes Jesus a SON of the FATHER in Heaven, is NOT because He was born from a human woman, but because HE was the first thing created by the FATHER IN HEAVEN. And the ONLY other thing the FATHER ever created was the Holy Ghost.Which is the second born. Jesus is considered the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son, because that is the ONLY SON the Father ever created. Now the Father created the Holy Ghost as well, that is why in a lot of references to the Holy Ghost it is like unto a female, a her, a she. What? Maybe the Daughter of the Father in Heaven? (i know not, i was not told that information)

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

"before me there was no God formed {Because Jesus is the first thing FORMED from the Father}, neither shall there be after me. {This also is TRUE for the HOLY Ghost is not, nor ever was FORMED, it has no matter, it is like the Father and is Spirit.} and beside me there is no saviour {Jesus is the only ONE that is a savior to Humans}

God said there was no God formed after Him,so Jesus cannot be a created God,

How does the saying "there was no God formed after Him, means that Jesus could not have been created by His Father, before then? Is it not written that Jesus created all things, What then? You THINK He created Himself? Really, Jesus created Himself? Where is that written or even implied Old or New Testaments? People the Father in Heaven created Jesus, His ONLY begotten Son, and then Jesus created all things that were made. Jesus DID NOT create the Father, nor did Jesus create the Holy Ghost, NOR did Jesus create Himself, to think this or teach this is to think and teach a false doctrine.

and also if Jesus is a created God,and God the Father is above Him,then Jesus is not a God,but a created being,because God means supreme being,which if Jesus was created He could not be that supreme being,anything that God created no matter how awesome,and powerful,and intelligent,is not a God,for there can only be one God,who ever is the greatest being.

Do you not know Scriptures? Jesus Himself plainly taught that His Father was above Him, that all things Jesus did came from the Father. Jesus Christ who you say is God, prayed to HIS FATHER in Heaven. The mere FACT that Jesus told us about a Father in Heaven, and a FACT that He says He is the Son, reveals that even Jesus knew and taught that His FATHER was higher than He was. Jesus was created by the Father in Heaven. that makes the Father, well the FATHER of Jesus Christ. Wow. Jesus even tells us His Father is Better than Him. Who has been feeding you the things that you believe? because it sure is not Scriptures.

There was no God created after God,for where would he fit in,for if God is an omnipresent Spirit that fills all space,where is there room for this God,for all that is created by God,is only a created being,and not God.

Where is Jesus right now? Is it not written that He left the Earth to be with His Father and that He is interceding for us in Heaven on our behalf, and that one day HE will return to the Earth, So then He is NOT everywhere is HE? Now the Holy Ghost is omnipresent. The Father is NOT. For omnipresent is to be everywhere. and the Father is NEVER in the presence of sin. So if an orgy is going on in a house, the FATHER is NOT there. The Holy Spirit is there and is very grieved.

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Jesus' goings forth have been from of old,from everlasting,which means Jesus has no beginning,

You say He has no beginning But Scriptures teaches that He does have a beginning, He says He is the beginning. And TRULY He was. before anything was created or made, or formed. The Father created Jesus. Jesus was the beginning of all things:

Rev_21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Rev_22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Believe you which teach He has no beginning or believe Jesus when He teaches He is the beginning?

and is the visible manifestation of the invisible God,and God's own personal human body.God's Spirit cannot all fit in a human body,

Are you saying God can't do something? CAN'T? really?

but God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,has the Spirit without measure,and it pleased the Father than in Him all fulness shall dwell,so Jesus is God Himself,who has no beginning,an invisible God that showed a visible manifestation of Himself,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

God is separate. The Holy Ghost is here with us and in us. Jesus is in Heaven with the Father. Jesus is intercessing for us, WHO do you think He is representing us TO? The Father, which no man has seen at any time. ( But Jesus we have seen)
Father = God
Son = God
Holy Ghost = God

These three = ONE

Husband = Flesh
Wife = Flesh

These Two = ONE

Father + Son + Holy Spirit + True Christians = ONE
These FOUR = ONE
All of these ONE BODY

We are called children of GOD, because we all come from GOD.

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DiscipleDave

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[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

lol, reveal to me one question that YOU asked that i did not answer. just one will prove you are not full of it

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DiscipleDave

Where is the justice in punishing Jesus for our sins? If our courts of law were to accept the punishment of someone else in the place of the criminal, we would not say that justice has been done, but that injustice has been added to injustice. Would the church have me believe that two wrongs make a right?

Let me see if i understand you. You claim that i did not answer 20 of your questions that you ask. So i ask you to reveal to me one question that YOU asked that i did not answer, then you reply to that question with a question that you have never asked before. Seriously? You can't even answer just one question that i ask? Then you get upset because you think people are not answering your question. Again your age is being revealed.

Now to answer the questions you presented to me.

Where is the justice in punishing Jesus for our sins?

Nobody is punishing Jesus for our sins. Lack of understanding again. Let me explain it this way. You commit a crime, that crimes punishment is one month in jail. You go to court, and the Judge who can issue out that punishment to YOU, says, "Because i love you, and someone has to pay for that crime, I will go to jail for a month for you, so that you don't have to, that is how much I love YOU" Nobody made the judge punished, the Judge volunteered for it, willingly took your punishment for the crime that YOU committed. So nobody punished Jesus, But Jesus decided to take the punishment for YOU. Big difference.

If our courts of law were to accept the punishment of someone else in the place of the criminal, we would not say that justice has been done, but that injustice has been added to injustice.

Not a question to me, but merely a statement from you.

Would the church have me believe that two wrongs make a right?

i can't answer for the Church, but if i could that answer would be no.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Still NO Questions asked here either.

How do they say it? Your singing to the Choir. i know Jesus is NOT the Father, i have written an article concerning that very topic. Click HERE to see that article concerning that particular topic.

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DiscipleDave

You're contradicting yourself now we've literally been arguing about how jesus said he was God, which you all agreed with, then how he talked about God as an external force

It is your understanding that is contradicting, i have not once contradicted myself. But YOUR understanding of what i said is what you THINK is contradicting.

Father is God
Jesus is God
Holy Ghost is God.

How many times do you have to read that before you actually understand that? NO contradictions at all. Jesus is God, Jesus talked to His Father in Heaven which is God. Again no contradictions, the problem is YOU don't believe what is being said, therefore you only see what you think is contradictions. But in TRUTH there is NO contradictions, the contradictions are only in your own carnal mind.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

The Seven Deadly Sins:

Pride
The Nazarene was a very arrogant, selfish and conceited individual. His overwhelming sense of negative pride and self exhaltation was seen in many of the scriptures:

This YOU say towards the One who created the Earth and everything in it. There are over 120 different verses in the Bible that says Fear God. And to fear God is the beginning of knowledge. it is apparent that you think you are above God, because you JUDGE GOD.

2Pe_2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

Angels would not judge.

Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

The Archangel Michael does not even accuse satan of anything, but YOU, you accuse God of being prideful. i don't think my prayer for you tonight is going to persuade the outcome that you have brought upon yourself. But i will pray on your behalf, oh my, i really do feel sorry for you, from the bottom of my heart, tearing up now, my heart goes out to you Brother, it really does. May the Lord show Mercy upon an ignorant child throwing a tantrum, judging God, oh my goodness. ArcAngels don't even judge satan, but you judge God. Going to go pray for you right now, brother.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Everyone, please try to understand this, and it will be hard. i also did not understand why Jesus asked for this cup to pass from Him, when He knew full well HE had to drink it. Again, it is our (humans) understanding of the Scriptures that we think these things. When i asked God about this very thing, concerning why Jesus asked that. Here is what i way told. (NOT quoting)

Jesus did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him, because He was scared, or weak, or even knowing what was to come upon Him. And He did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him forever. He was asking for the Father to give Him more time to be with His Disciples, to teach the people more TRUTHS. He had a mere 3 years to teach all things concerning the Kingdom of God, He was not asking God to let it pass from Him for ever, but was asking to postpone drinking that cup. Know you not that Jesus knew from the time of His birth that He was going to drink that cup? Know you not that He came into the World for the sole purpose of drinking that cup. He was not, nor ever did try to get out from doing that. HE knew full well He was going to drink that cup. The prayer was asking to postpone drinking that cup, Because He LOVED us so much and wanted to spend more time with us, before drinking that cup. Read it again, and this time instead of thinking He is trying to get away from drinking that cup permanently, read it as He was asking God to take it away from Him RIGHT THEN, in the NOW, at that very moment.

How many times did Jesus say His hour was not yet come. He knew it was coming and that He would have to leave them, and go to the Father in Heaven. While Jesus was on Earth during those three Years, He loved it, He loved being here with us, He loved teaching us, He loved His Disciples and all those that were with Him, and now it was time to leave all of them. This is why He asked for the cup to pass from Him, to allow Him more time with US. Read it again, with all this in mind, and see if the Holy Ghost doesn't reveal to you the TRUTH of it. And as i said before, it is what He told me.

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DiscipleDave

Jesus sweat drops of blood, sought strength from his friends by praying with him and asked this question....he also said the spirit is indeed willing and the flesh is weak...

I do not think it is wrong or out of the question to see the humanity of Christ in this moment of human despair......the things he stated, the distress he was dealing with, the fact he knew he would be forsaken by everyone INCLUDING his FATHER seems to indicate and set forth the context of why he asked.....

So you really think Jesus the Son of God, was actually asking His Father to not die and Save humanity?
So you believe that Jesus knowing that He came into the world to be crucified and raised from the dead, is going to ask His Father that HE does not die for the world? Is that what you think?
Do you think Jesus was Asking God to let that cup pass from Him, because He did not want to be killed for the humans?
Do you think Jesus knowing what He was there for, would ask the Father to change His mind about that?
i am telling you, what i have told you above is what God told me. it is not my fault if you believe it wasn't God that told me those things.

Jesus came into this world for ONE PURPOSE to be a sacrifice for the LOST. He knew full well He WAS going to do that, that is why He came into the World. He did not ask for this cup to be passed from Him, as if to say "God i no longer want to do what you called me to do, that i want to do" Know you not that Jesus wanted to Die for us, He wanted to be crucified for us. He would never ask God that He does not do that for us. It is your understanding of what He said that is in error. He was not asking to NOT EVER do it, He was asking for it to be some other time. Jesus KNEW full well He was going to drink that cup eventually. He was asking God to let it pass from Him TODAY. This is why He prayed as hard as He did, NOT because He was trying to get out of doing that for us, but trying to get out of doing it right then.

What, know you not that Jesus already knew He was going to rise from the dead, He foretold this. He was not scared, or even feared death, Here is the Truth. if i KNEW that my sacrifice would Saved Billions of people, i would willingly go through with it, But here is another TRUTH, when my hour was at hand, i too would be praying real hard that God let that cup pass from me. NOT because i am trying to get out of SAVING Billions of people, but because i was trying to postpone the sacrifice. Now Anyone can believe what they want, that is called free will, but it seems to me it would be wise to believe God who told me these things, its GOD.

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DiscipleDave

 

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Dave? He's been banned.

 

[DiscipleDave]

He knew His hour was come and He was sweating blood due to extreme anguish at the thought of it (Lk 22:44). The Scriptures confirm this view. He knew exactly what was going to happen to Him (Jn 18:4).

“My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death...”

Why was it sorrowful? You see people think He was sorrowful and prayed let this cup pass from me because He was scared, or He feared it. or whatever else humans think the way humans think. You ASSUME that He was sweating profusely and sorrowing even unto death, because of what He was about to go through, right? Scriptures does not teach that, that is what Christians ASSUME is the reason why he was sweating like drops of blood, and praying hard to God to let this cup pass from Him. But i am telling you He did not sweat like that, pray hard like that, ask God to let this cup pass, because of what was about to happen to Him. He did all that because He was about to leave the world, leave the Disciples, leave His teaching. He only had three very short years to preach the TRUTH to the world. Even up to the point when they came and took Him, His very own Disciples did not TRULY believe He was the Son of God. Jesus prayed what He did not to escape the cup, but just to let it pass by for now. Allow Him more time to be with Humans. More time to Love, More time to teach, just more time. This is why He prayed as hard as He did, this is why He asked the Father to let the cup pass from Him, NOT because of what was about to happen to Him, but because what He was about to leave forever. He would never be Human again, ever. He was exceeding sorrowful, even unto death because He was about to leave the world. His Hour was at hand, and this was indeed exceedingly sorrowful to Him, only if He could have been given more time to be with us.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

I was really surprised people didn't say anything about his name, lol.

Usually naming yourself after a demon would be considered... err... suspicious.

For me, i am not knowledgeable on the names of demons. i only know of lucifer and the names for the devil, i was not even aware that demons have names, nor do i care to know them. However, on the other hand, isn't it said to cast out a demon you need to know their names in order to do so? i have no clue. That is not my calling, and know nothing about that. i know demons are real. And it only makes since that they would have names, but i guess i just don't care to know, or it would be something that i would study.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Usually there isn't some "mystical" "God told me" or "secret message that needs to be deciphered" from Scripture.

True, but you are familiar with the verse that says, ask and you shall receive, believing you shall receive it, right? So then if a person Asks God why did He say "Let this cup pass from me" Believing that God would tell him, is it any surprise that God would answer that person, exactly as He said He would in Scriptures?

Your spot on. Jesus Christ was 100% true humanity. Living real life. About to be forsaken by His Father .........who He has had eternal,eternal, ETERNAL fellowship with.

I believe what disturbed Jesus the most was knowing he would be forsaken by the Father. The pain of the beatings,the cross,spitting upon,having His beard plucked out, his flesh ripped to the bones was all secondary to being forsaken by His Father.

You do error in thinking that Jesus knew his Father would forsake Him. Jesus did NOT know that He was going to do that. There are many things that Jesus does not know that the Father does KNOW, the day and hour of Jesus Return is but one of those things. Jesus did not know His Father would forsake Him. That is why when He did forsake Him, Jesus felt Him leave, and that is why He plainly said :

Mat_27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mar_15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

This was a serious Question He was asking. He really did not understand why God had forsaken Him during that time. Of coarse He knows now, Because the Father can't look upon sin, and Jesus just took humanities sin upon Himself, which the Father could not bare to look at. If Jesus already knew that His Father was going to forsake Him, He would not have asked the question that He already knew the Answer to. Jesus asked the Father that particular question because it was a Question that Jesus seriously had and was asking His Father why?

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Dave? He's been banned.

yeah, i see that. i think it was best, i believe he was atheist.

Why it took me so long, is i was reading every post, one by one and answering any post that addressed me. By the time i got to a post that said he was banned, well, he was banned and that's that.
We should all pray for him though, that individual was very troubled. Let us not fail to Love even the unlovable. Jesus Loved him. Jesus died for him. We should pray for him.

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DiscipleDave