Could signs of worldwide revival be a deception?

[popeye]

The biggest church group that is growing in the world is the prosperity gospel. It is not the gospel of Jesus but a gospel which calls poverty evil, and prosperity a blessing.

Only in a technological world where machines can change life for almost everybody could this gospel even exist, because it is the moving from rural communities which rely on farming to service societies which rely on providing technological support to each other does the wealth come. These false teachers link this prosperity to God and faith, when it is just modern technology. And where the societies are changing most, this message is being taken up, as a right. But it is foolishness, self delusion and sin.

The "believers" are not saved by faith and repentance, but by church membership and listening to worldly success preaching, and claiming a right to dominate and rule. Could this turn to war and violence? The words are there if you want to read it, but I do not think at present it is going that way, but with all this preaching about the spiritual realm, put Satan in with real spiritual fireworks, the world is ripe for the setting.

prosreity movement is error by emphasis.
prosperity is the dynamic of God's economy. (the absence of lack)

deception would be, attacking a dimension of God's very own testimony.(abundance)

 

[popeye]

Outstanding, except the Bride is not the gentile church, the Bride is Israel. The gentile church are the virgins and bridesmaids.
This is made most obvious in the Old testament in Places Like Psalms 45.

Note how you misreprented the virgins.

"Bridesmaids" is mans addition to the equasion..

except the Bride is not the gentile church, the Bride is Israel

1) there is no distinction of the born again believer as to "Jew or greek" as the gentile believer is grafted in.

2)Gentile believers are "Jews" by grafting. This group from the ascention till now is the bride.Containing "Jew and gentile"

Your doctrine faills as the jew is actually the harlot.

Yet the "Jews" were the originally favored as his "bride",but they REJECTED Christ.
The "last supper" is in fact the "betrothal". It is the engagement cup that the bride would drink with the groom at the BRIDES HOUSE AT BETROTHAL.

 

[popeye]

So could you possibly be insinuating we are to reject the signs Jesus gave to His "wimpy" disciples when they ask Him when would be the sign of His coming? I'll just quote a few verses from Matthew 24, accompanied with a few verses from other prophecies.

Verse 3b "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Then Jesus describes many things to watch for that lead up to His return.

13. "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

The end of what? some may ask. Then He finally tells them about the tribulation that is more horrible than anything the world has ever experienced before. Jesus says that at the ending of this great tribulation salvation awaits those who make it through.

21. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

So what happens at the end of that? Jesus completes His descriptions of what to watch for and the signs of His coming.

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Immediately "after" the tribulation of "those days" shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

"If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:" Deuteronomy 30:4
"Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock." Jeremiah 31:10
"Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord." Zechariah 2:6
"And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again." Zechariah 10:9

Matthew 24:32-33
[SUP]33 [/SUP]So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Verily I say unto you, This generation ("this tribe" according to the Aramaic) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

I don't think God wants us to believe a separation between the Jews from the Gentiles on this matter, and I clearly see a chronology of events listed. The Jews who are now dead cannot be resurrected after this said tribulation for "the dead in Christ shall rise first:" 1 Thessalonians 4:16b

Oh,ok,I originally failed to see the twist job you did on "enduring"

13. "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

The end of what? some may ask. Then He finally tells them about the tribulation that is more horrible than anything the world has ever experienced before. Jesus says that at the ending of this great tribulation salvation awaits those who make it through.

21. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Conclusion;Paul and the original disciples missed salvation,as well as all the deceased beleivers since they missed the GT also.

 

[ember]

what signs of world wide revival?

I don't see any ... I see just the opposite

 

[just-me]

what signs of world wide revival?

I don't see any ... I see just the opposite

Pay attention on what the pope is trying to endorse, and what the current U. S. administration is promoting. Then think about that while your reading this.

Is World Ripe for Revival? | Christianity Today

 

[eternallife7]

Folks, the term antichrist is not found anywhere in the book of Revelation and only found in 1 and 2 John?

Calling the beast, the antichrist is not accurate, because John already gave us the definition of an antichrist and told us that many are already in the world.

Satan and his demons know Jesus came in the flesh, which means they do not have the spirit of antichrist. The only true antichrist is one that states Jesus did not come in the flesh. John was warning us of gnostic doctrine, not devils, demons or Satan.

Satan, the Beast and the false prophet form a demonic trinity.

Satan=God
The Beast=Jesus Christ
False Prophet=The Holy Spirit

As much as it goes against Christian culture and tradition, the greatest deception Satan could put on the church is a lie, that there is some secret pre-trib rapture and then the Day of the Lord comes.

I am not stating I do not believe pre-trib, but there are many things in the Bible that do not support that view. At this rate no matter what part of the trib he returns, I am ready and will occupy until he does return.

No offense, but even if they do believe it, they can still deny Him by the way they behave. 1 John

 

[ember]

Pay attention on what the pope is trying to endorse, and what the current U. S. administration is promoting. Then think about that while your reading this.

Is World Ripe for Revival? | Christianity Today

I don't go to a source of illgitimacy for the truth

I do know what the pope is saying and a whole bunch of other followers of the world systems as well...including many so called prophets and evangelists and mega church hooligans

We're not there yet and only God knows how long...but we are heading to the point where everyone will want a savior...and I don't mean Jesus

 

[DesiredHaven]

No, I do not see what you mean, please clarify, because I am not sure what you are asking here or what cross was. The only statement I am making that you guys seem to want to question is that the term antichrist is not found in the book of Revelation and only in 1 John 1 & 2. Many like cross brush it off as semantics, but it is not.

The spirit of antichrist states Jesus did not come in the flesh. Satan and his demons know Jesus came in the flesh, why do you think the beast will be flesh and blood? Could it be that the world will see this man as a Savior or even a false Jesus Christ?
The world will see the beast as a savior, a man of peace, a pseudo messiah. God and Christians will see him as a beast feeding on the blood of others. What happens when he comes to power and someone says, hey now this is the antichrist and he the beast picks up a Bible and reads 1 John 1 and 2 and says, children, relax, for I have come in the flesh! I am not the antichrist because the Bible says, I would only come in the flesh and I have and I have also been healed.

That my freind, is the dividing point. I really think many Christians refuse to think that Satan and his forces are this devious or spend much time thinking about it. Satan used the Word of God against Jesus and they know he came in the flesh.

The reason many Christians refuse to think about these things is that they believe they will not be here to deal with it, because they will be taken in the rapture. If that is true then I have to ask, why did Jesus, Peter, Jude, Paul and many others consistently and without fail warn us how to discern between the real Jesus and the fake one/s?

Matt 24.23-26
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or There He is,’ do not believe him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Behold, I have told you in advance. [SUP]26 [/SUP]So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.

I see many Christians that refuse to understand that the Beast will come as a savior and his true intentions will not be revealed accept to those who have the Spirit of God in them. This little known fact destroys any notion of some rapture doctrine. Jesus plainly states in Rev 2 and 3 what it will take to enter into New Jerusalem and be on the new earth.

You are entitled to your opinion on the matter, never heard of that one, I believe the others asked a valid question if you do not thats fine as well.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

You are entitled to your opinion on the matter, never heard of that one, I believe the others asked a valid question if you do not thats fine as well.

You asked me a question and I asked you to clarify the question, so please do.

 

[DesiredHaven]

You asked me a question and I asked you to clarify the question, so please do.

I dont know what is so unclear, I dont see Satan speaking truth, regardless of what you say he knows. A liar can speaks contrary to what he knows is true.

Their question was on that point and I simply agreed with their line of questioning on that point.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

I dont know what is so unclear, I dont see Satan speaking truth, regardless of what you say he knows. A liar can speaks contrary to what he knows is true.

Their question was on that point and I simply agreed with their line of questioning on that point.

I do not see Satan speaking truth either.
If Satan wanted to lie about Jesus coming in the flesh, why did he work so hard to have him killed before the cross?

 

[DesiredHaven]

I do not see Satan speaking truth either.
If Satan wanted to lie about Jesus coming in the flesh, why did he work so hard to have him killed before the cross?

I wouldnt reason with it the same way as you might. But if I would, if the Christ was to come into the world he might have sought to prevent that (as if he actaully could). Given he knows he has not prevented this to lie against what is the very power of God (for us) and the truth itself makes greater sense for him to do.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

I wouldnt reason with it the same way as you might. But if I would, if the Christ was to come into the world he might have sought to prevent that (as if he actaully could). Given he knows he has not prevented this to lie against what is the very power of God (for us) and the truth itself makes greater sense for him to do.

I see your point and understand what you are getting at.

 

[myself84]

I pray He may open your eyes of faith and understanding his word.only faith pleases God
To know more about God u need to spend your time with Him by studying His word and the holly spiruit will be your guide
Hebrew11:6
New International Version
And without faith it is impossible to please God,
because anyone who comes to him must believe
that he exists and that he rewards those who
earnestly seek him.

 

[PeterJens]

prosreity movement is error by emphasis.
prosperity is the dynamic of God's economy. (the absence of lack)

deception would be, attacking a dimension of God's very own testimony.(abundance)

The prosperity gospel is much more than emphasis. They believe poverty is a curse, not just a state of being. They believe people can command wealth, which is insane, and that they are called to dominate, which is Satans approach to life, not Jesus.

Jesus called us to be servants of each other, not to hold over people power and authority. In the garden of Gethsemane Jesus asked his deciples to stay with him and stay awake as friends, but they failed.

Now heresy is suggesting abundance is anything to do with the Lord, but just a reflection of power and efficiency. Often the rich and powerful have been corrupt, violent and evil, and those who desire truth, integrity and righteousness are excluded and thrown out. Does this then mean they have abandoned God or rather you cannot serve wealth and God together, which you seem to be suggesting. Now not suprisingly this fake gospel abandons righteousness and sin and emphasis wealth and influence, which has always been the mark of compromise and failure.

Why is the gospel of wealth is good spreading so fast? Because those who are poor want above anything else a chance for themselves and their families. But the lie simply that this is happening other than the preacher who is getting money in the belief that his congregation will reap in return. Now in a booming economy this works, but it is a lie that this is anything other than exploitation of economics. But many are as blind to reality and evil, which is why they do not know the Lord.

 

[Jeff_56]

because? "those who are poor want above anything else..... "

in the world, of the world, true- poor an rich and all in between "want" worldly things and worry about them> food, what they will wear, etc etc
but
those who are poor and "NOT of the world" do not worry about these things nor seek what they do not have. ((when "NOT of the world" is "of heaven" (i.e. in Christ Jesus, faithful to Him, trusting God and relying on HIM) ))

re: op: the BIBLE says that everyone in (of) the world is deceived, specifically also in these last days.

only the remnant (few) are not. (even here)

 

[yaright]

I was thinking of how the adversary (the antiChrist) could deceive in making professing Christians think that he was actually the Messiah.
Could it be true that a world peace could be constituted in our lifetime by a doctrine that the Bible calls Balaam, likened to the church in Pergamos in Revelation 2:12-16.

Will professing Christians be overwhelmed, and in awe of the deceiver's immense power?
"And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." Revelation 13:13-14

Are the thunders actually today's technology that seems sweet to the taste, and then causes bitterness when we begin to digest it?
"And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter." Revelation chapter 10

What deception will need to be in place to cause this?
"And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle:" Revelation 20:8

Has the deceiver already set a precedence of apathy in the church, causing a desire to believe we will be taken up before all this happens? Will we be forced to take the mark because it will be the only means of survival without growing our own stuff?
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth." Revelation 12:15-16

There is a reason why none of the christian religions are in agreement, so much as to say the witness of each is; If you do not believe as one member believes, you will not be received in Heaven. None of the christian religions are all knowing God. In fact our Heavenly Father makes it known, "Your thoughts are not My thoughts". Where ever a man is, Satan is there also, creating division by the greatest of deceptions which we cannot see. It is that part of you that you trust the most, Satan has deceived. The things which seem right to you, has been deceived. When you say, "I love you" is turned into a lie. The very witness of our lives reveals this. There have been many revivals; and each has its tables that sell trinkets of images relating to the bible. These dead things are considered to have value, are a distraction, a deception that causes christians to believe he or she has something in their hands. The bible speaks of these things revealing who we are and why we are that way in God's sight; but we are made blind with the notion that what is held in the hand is the greater witness, like the trinket made in the image of a fish. People refuse to understand the personal inflection, teaching us who we are and why we are that way in God's sight; Saying the image of a christian fish is about members who use this as an excuse not to say He name! Hypocrites! Where ever a revival of magnitude is held, Satan is there also.

 

[yaright]

You are entitled to your opinion on the matter, never heard of that one, I believe the others asked a valid question if you do not thats fine as well.

Sharing a key, an inflection; The term 'beast' does not change in all of the bible. It is the creature nature of a man, carnal. The Apostle Paul referenced giving witness as if to beasts so that they might see a greater purpose in Paul's witness. In the Garden of Eden, Satan appealed to the creature nature of Adam and Eve, which is easily deceived. It is written that the serpent is more cunning than any beast of the field; this is a correlation between flesh and its basic needs being deceived to believe that the ways of the flesh surely will not die if eating the fruit of good and evil, because it nourishes the flesh. Satan speaks according to the flesh saying, surely you will not die; Satan does this in a way that negates the greater understanding by the Spirit, which is; If we choose to sin (partake of the fruit of both good and evil as spoken by God), we will immediately die into sin. This is the premise of the story of the Garden of Eden and the creature nature (beast of the field) which are the desires of the flesh. The sign of the beast is no exception. I like the way you search and share, in a few short words. I have to write and speak on a global scale to even understand what I have on my mind.

 

[ember]

Sharing a key, an inflection; The term 'beast' does not change in all of the bible. It is the creature nature of a man, carnal. The Apostle Paul referenced giving witness as if to beasts so that they might see a greater purpose in Paul's witness. In the Garden of Eden, Satan appealed to the creature nature of Adam and Eve, which is easily deceived. It is written that the serpent is more cunning than any beast of the field; this is a correlation between flesh and its basic needs being deceived to believe that the ways of the flesh surely will not die if eating the fruit of good and evil, because it nourishes the flesh. Satan speaks according to the flesh saying, surely you will not die; Satan does this in a way that negates the greater understanding by the Spirit, which is; If we choose to sin (partake of the fruit of both good and evil as spoken by God), we will immediately die into sin. This is the premise of the story of the Garden of Eden and the creature nature (beast of the field) which are the desires of the flesh. The sign of the beast is no exception. I like the way you search and share, in a few short words. I have to write and speak on a global scale to even understand what I have on my mind.

No sir...we do not immediately die if we sin

We have an advocate with the Father of Lights...with whom there is no variableness or shadow of turning

If we say we have no sin, we are lying...but God is faithful and true and if we confess our sin, He is quick to forgive but nowhere in the Bible are we told that we fall in and out of salvation...that is a lie from the devil who loves to twist that which is true and gives hope

 

[DesiredHaven]

Satan speaks according to the flesh saying, surely you will not die; Satan does this in a way that negates the greater understanding by the Spirit, which is; If we choose to sin (partake of the fruit of both good and evil as spoken by God), we will immediately die into sin.

The ministers of Satan would do the same (2 Ti 4:3 teachers will be heaped up after their lusts)

Whereas the ministers of Jesus Christ say .

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:

but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. (1 Ti 6:3 according to godliness)

On this point, James says,

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin,
*when* it is finished, bringeth forth death.

However, I dont know what you might mean about immediately dying in ones sin whether you mean what James was speaking of or another verse I am just not sure but one can indeed be dead while they live even as a lust for other things even chokes the word.

1 Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead *while* she liveth.

Gal 5:16 This I say then,
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Yaright, I didnt necessarily disagree with the rest of your post in respects to the natural man, carnal nature and all of that, I run this portion of scripture differently, but I can agree in being tempted by appealing to the various lusts of men, and lust conceiving and bringing forth sin and when the same is finished death, and show a woman dead while she lived (as it relates to living in pleasures (even the lusts for other things) that enter in and choke the word, but I was not sure of everything you might be saying so I would agree with you on what I could.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ teaches us to deny worldly lusts Titus 2:12