Cursed children

[KJV1611]

I'm all ears, what cha got?

This is pretty cool and if you're a KJV believer, I think you will get it.

If you look at the etymology of "roll" as it was used when the King James was written, it defines it basically as a scroll with an official record... it's the word of God.

roll (n.)

early 13c., "rolled-up piece of parchment or paper" (especially one inscribed with an official record)

Also "flying" in the King James bible represents spirits or the spiritual realm (i.e. fiery flying serpents). So the "flying roll" is the spiritual word of God, in other words, it's the Word of God... Jesus Christ.

If that's not enough to convince us, God gives us a second witness through the dimensions of the roll. The dimensions are 20 and 10. 10 is easy to see, it represents the law or more specifically the entire Old Testament. An example of this would be "Am I not better to thee than 10 sons"... it's talking about Hannah's (foreshadowing the church) husband (foreshadowing Christ) is better to her than 10 commandments.

1Sa_1:8 Then said Elkanah her husband to her, Hannah, why weepest thou? and why eatest thou not? and why is thy heart grieved? am not I better to thee than ten sons?

So the number 10 in scripture points to the Old Testament. There are countless other examples in scripture that support this idea.

The number 20 may be a little harder to see. 20 is the double portion of 10. It is the spirit in the law.

2Ki_2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.

20 is the number associated with entering the promised land... Only those that were 20 and upward could enter the promise land.

Num_32:11 Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob; because they have not wholly followed me:

Another interesting thing about entering the promised land... The ones that believed the account of 10 spies could not enter the promised land, only the one's that believed the account of the 2 (Joshua and Caleb) could enter in.

This is getting long, so I will stop here for now. Plus if you don't buy this, you'll never buy the rest lol.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Again the folks who are "cursed"..CHILDREN are those God has saved by grace and made them His Children and they have rejected the righteousness of faith and gone back to the law...which puts a believer back under the curse and Paul clearly teaches! Its evident that Peter is talking about legalist. They very scriptures use to condemn others by legalist are the same scriptures that will bring judgment to them when they stand before God and answer for the grace that Christ has given to them and they have despised!

No, no, no...

In Zechariah 5:1-4 we read “Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
[SUP]
4 [/SUP]I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.”

These are hypocrites, nothing to do with the law. My point is, except you are born again you cannot stop sinning. That is what the cursed children is about, they are unable to cease from sin because they are yet in the first nature of man, which is flesh. 2 Peter 2:14 "Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:"

Grace is not a license to sin.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

This is pretty cool and if you're a KJV believer, I think you will get it.

If you look at the etymology of "roll" as it was used when the King James was written, it defines it basically as a scroll with an official record... it's the word of God.

Also "flying" in the King James bible represents spirits or the spiritual realm (i.e. fiery flying serpents). So the "flying roll" is the spiritual word of God, in other words, it's the Word of God... Jesus Christ.

If that's not enough to convince us, God gives us a second witness through the dimensions of the roll. The dimensions are 20 and 10. 10 is easy to see, it represents the law or more specifically the entire Old Testament. An example of this would be "Am I not better to thee than 10 sons"... it's talking about Hannah's (foreshadowing the church) husband (foreshadowing Christ) is better to her than 10 commandments.

So the number 10 in scripture points to the Old Testament. There are countless other examples in scripture that support this idea.

The number 20 may be a little harder to see. 20 is the double portion of 10. It is the spirit in the law.


20 is the number associated with entering the promised land... Only those that were 20 and upward could enter the promise land.


Another interesting thing about entering the promised land... The ones that believed the account of 10 spies could not enter the promised land, only the one's that believed the account of the 2 (Joshua and Caleb) could enter in.

This is getting long, so I will stop here for now. Plus if you don't buy this, you'll never buy the rest lol.

The words of God can be shown as a blessing and a curse, as Moses described. A blessing if received and believed upon and followed, and a curse if not. But the flying fiery serpent speaks of Satan and his host of deceivers so I wouldn't think that has anything to do with God's words, except when God sends forth the fiery serpents to bite and kill the rebellious children.

And as far as the numbers go, you don't wanna go there with me, cause I can really confuse with the numbers.

 

[KJV1611]

The words of God can be shown as a blessing and a curse, as Moses described. A blessing if received and believed upon and followed, and a curse if not. But the flying fiery serpent speaks of Satan and his host of deceivers so I wouldn't think that has anything to do with God's words, except when God sends forth the fiery serpents to bite and kill the rebellious children.

And as far as the numbers go, you don't wanna go there with me, cause I can really confuse with the numbers.

No the flying serpents have nothing to do with God's word. The point was "flying" represents spiritual things.

 

[weakness]

It is the point because Paul goes on to explain that if you turn from grace back to the law..YOU ARE CURSED by the law! That's the whole truth of what it means to be a "cursed" child!

Peter is talking about believers who turn from grace back to the law! [/QUOTE There are many ways to return to our vomit other than returning to the law written in tables of stone. There was a lot of Jewish Christians in the beginnings of Christianity and their tendency was to return to the law . If I was to turn away from the Lord I would not return to the law.Rom 2:12...For as many as have sinned without the law ,shall perish without the law, and as many who have sinned within the law shall be judged by the law. Scripture says that there is no excuse for the creation itself declares the glory of God, Day unto day they (the creation) utter their speech. Ps. But we have the Law written in our Hearts by adoption, by the holy Spirit, by being baptized into his death and born again by God's Spirit and are a law unto ourselves because God lives in us. Praise the Lord of all creation.

 

[ISeeYou]

I don't normally correspond with people who think they know everything but in your case I'll make an exception.

What's your first line in post 47? I believe I see the words, if you don't repent.

Nuff said, I'm done with you! Have a nice day.

I know what I wrote, and again I said I never said YOU SAID anything about repenting,

Hello??? per your own quote LOL!

What did you write of me?

What's your first line in post 47? I believe I see the words,

if you don't repent.

Where is it that I said YOU SAID that?

I hate this word, but DUH...

You showed me now didnt cha LOL

 

[Mitspa]

However, as you state the law is still there working in love and faith....yah?

Well the fact is that the written code was only a shadow of the Spirit...God is always been love and He has Always been a Spirit...His law and intention was always "love" but the written code cannot teach us "the love of God" ...so love was what God desired for man, and the purpose of the law of Moses was to condemn us all and show us we don't have Gods kind of love...we got that only through His Spirit.

 

[ISeeYou]

Fear as in respect, honor and revere, not quiver.

Why would felix tremble when Paul shared with him the faith of Christ the judgment to come and all of that?

Acts 24:24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.

Acts 24:25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

One of the words is

Emphobos

1. thrown into fear, terrified, affrighted

Terror is the same as reverance

2 Cr 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Terror,

is Phobos

1. fear, dread, terror
   1. that which strikes terror
2. reverence for one's husband

Diverts from the question, asks another question

Why does Jesus say Repent and believe the Good News?

Do you always fear good news, or just when Jesus speaks of it?

Since he didnt answer the question bringing Jesus words into this I answer

Maybe because if you dont repent it would be bad news for you?

Ofcourse you dont fear good news

You are the one who said, Fear as in respect, honor and revere, not quiver.

felix got good news, it didnt make him comfortable it made him tremble, Paul equates the terror with fear and reverance, its not necessarily exclusive.

Now he seems to be in a huff at me answering to the question he put up through Jesus words that way and responds,

I never said ANYTHING about not repenting. Don't interject your thoughts with my words.Besides, read post #50.

And so is accusing me of saying he said something I never said he said, because that was "just me" saying it (not me making it out as if he said it) thats ridiculous (see the above)

I never said you said anything about not repenting, so please dont inject words into mine, thank you very much

So he just did to me what he falsely accused me of doing to him because I was just dumb enough to ask a simple question off of this post

Starting here...

I was commenting from the start on this

Fear as in respect, honor and revere, not quiver.

I apparently know everything because I ask a question,

And then instead of ever adressing it he just throws up another question

Which was ...

Why does Jesus say Repent and believe the Good News?

Do you always fear good news, or just when Jesus speaks of it?

And I answer his diversion (not once saying he said anything but answering his question as it was posed to me saying

Maybe because if you dont repent it would be bad news for you?

Ofcourse you dont fear good news

You are the one who said, Fear as in respect, honor and revere, not quiver.

felix got good news, it didnt make him comfortable it made him tremble, Paul equates the terror with fear and reverance, its not necessarily exclusive.

And now he is saying I am saying he said something (I didnt say he said)

I never said ANYTHING about not repenting. Don't interject your thoughts with my words. Besides, read post #50.

He wont adress a post with the definitions in it, just throws up a diverting question, after that he then accuses you of saying that he said something when your just answering his and never once said it was him that said anything at all

THEN to top it off he repeats more of the same while implying I am of those who think they know everything

I don't normally correspond with people who think they know everything but in your case I'll make an exception.

What's your first line in post 47? I believe I see (((the words))) if you don't repent.

Nuff said, I'm done with you! Have a nice day.

I sure dont see the words, I said that YOU SAID anything in there

(Nice try)

And a wonderful evening to you sir

 

[Mitspa]

It is the point because Paul goes on to explain that if you turn from grace back to the law..YOU ARE CURSED by the law! That's the whole truth of what it means to be a "cursed" child!

Peter is talking about believers who turn from grace back to the law! [/QUOTE There are many ways to return to our vomit other than returning to the law written in tables of stone. There was a lot of Jewish Christians in the beginnings of Christianity and their tendency was to return to the law . If I was to turn away from the Lord I would not return to the law.Rom 2:12...For as many as have sinned without the law ,shall perish without the law, and as many who have sinned within the law shall be judged by the law. Scripture says that there is no excuse for the creation itself declares the glory of God, Day unto day they (the creation) utter their speech. Ps. But we have the Law written in our Hearts by adoption, by the holy Spirit, by being baptized into his death and born again by God's Spirit and are a law unto ourselves because God lives in us. Praise the Lord of all creation.

Well Im sorry but that's what Peter is talking about...now can it also be a warning against turning to the lust of the flesh...sure...but that's not what Peter is addressing!

 

[Mitspa]

No, no, no...

In Zechariah 5:1-4 we read “Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
[SUP]
4 [/SUP]I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.”

These are hypocrites, nothing to do with the law. My point is, except you are born again you cannot stop sinning. That is what the cursed children is about, they are unable to cease from sin because they are yet in the first nature of man, which is flesh. 2 Peter 2:14 "Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:"

Grace is not a license to sin.

Yes! Yes! yes! Im sorry if you don't like it but that's exactly what Peter is warning against! Just like Paul did over and over!

And why are you quoting the OLD Testament, when the NEW Testament already makes clear the purpose of the law was to condemn us all and bring us to Christ to be justified by faith in Him. Its clear these "cursed" children are those who have turn back to be justified by the law.

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes! Yes! yes! Im sorry if you don't like it but that's exactly what Peter is warning against! Just like Paul did over and over!

And why are you quoting the OLD Testament, when the NEW Testament already makes clear the purpose of the law was to condemn us all and bring us to Christ to be justified by faith in Him. Its clear these "cursed" children are those who have turn back to be justified by the law.

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Your issue seems to be with the law, and not sin. The law is not sin, sin is sin. Grace does not mean the freedom to sin, but to be freed from sin. You can do away with the law, but guess what? People will still sin. So the solution is to stop sinning.

Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The law is not sin, Sin is Sin.