Daniel and Matthews abomination of desolation.

Shilohsfoal · Feb 3, 2024

That doesn't say anything about Daniels prophecies.You are teaching people that Daniel prophecies have been fulfilled.
Quote your source who witnessed the events in Daniel 11 you claim were fulfilled.Im wanting you to say who originally taught what you are teaching.

Prove it wasn't Jason of Cyrene.

douggg · Feb 3, 2024

Shilohsfoal said:

No, I am teaching that the historic verses of Daniel 11 have been fulfilled. Daniel 11:31 is a verse that has been historically fulfilled by Antiochus IV. A google search on Antiochus IV gives historical sources about Antiochus IV, what he did during his lifetime.

You are saying the whole world learned about Antiochus IV in order to write the history books. That is just false.

Shilohsfoal · Feb 4, 2024

douggg said:

You still have not quoted your source.

Who was it that taught you the prophecies of Daniel have been fulfilled?
Who is your teacher?
Who was the first person to claim the prophecies have been fulfilled?

Shilohsfoal · Feb 4, 2024

If someone is going to teach that certain prophecies have been fulfilled,they shouldnt have any problem telling others who taught them.

For instance,I might teach that a virgin had conceived and the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 had been fulfilled.

Isaiah ,7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

I can also show where I learned this prophecy was fulfilled.Who the witness was that taught this was fulfilled and I quote him.

Mathew 1:22-23
Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

douggg · Feb 4, 2024

Shilohsfoal said:

Your questions are not relevant to the historical record regarding Antiochus IV what he did during his lifetime.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Antio...2552450C941FD1961B7C32C2&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

Shilohsfoal · Feb 4, 2024

douggg said:

My questions are not regarding antiochus.

My questions are regarding the person who has taught you. As I understand it,your beliefs concerning Daniel 11 and the abomination of desolation are the same beliefs of the people who reject Christ.The Pharisees and the san hedron believe the same as you.Its possible you both have received you doctrine from the same person.Jason of Cyrene.

Why are you hiding the Identity of your teacher?The person who taught you Daniels prophecy concerning the abomination of desolation had been fulfilled.

Inquisitor · Feb 4, 2024

10-22-27 said:

This is a difficult subject to explain. If you have questions, ask.
Daniel wrote the following when he was in his nineties and while serving in Persian under King Darius. In the last chapter of his book, he wrote, Daniel 12:11, “From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.”

The comma between “taken away,” and “the abomination that makes desolate” tells us one event will immediately follow the other.

Nebuchadnezzar caused the daily sacrifice to cease when he took the sacred vessels of the temple to Babylon in 598 B.C., see 2 Chronicles 36. Now, if we were speaking of days after the daily sacrifice ceased, what significant event followed 1290 days after 598? I could not find anything, so let’s set that idea aside.

The context of Daniel’s prophesy points to an extended period, like 1290 years. If you examine Chapter 12 closely, the context speaks clearly of years, not 24-hour days. I will post another Tread concerning the Hebrew word “Day, Days,” we can discuss that later.

Daniel speaks of a time of trouble in verse 1, such as “never was or will be.” Matthew 24:21-22 gives the same warning. Their statements would eliminate the wars the family of Antiochus, the Romans, Catholics, the Ottomans, and Muslims waged against Israel. They all pale against the backdrop of World War Two and Hitler’s atrocities. Therefore, Matthew 24 could not have been fulfilled as destructive as it was in A.D. 70, as some claim; it doesn’t agree with Scripture.

In verse 4, Daniel said knowledge would increase. In 1945, the rate of knowledge doubled to twenty-five years. Today, with computer technology, it’s every twelve hours. There has been an exponential increase in medicine, communications, computer science, exploration of the universe, and, sad to say, weapons of war.

Daniel was told he would die, verse 9, and that many would be purified. Considering these things, Daniel’s prophesy looks way out into the future, not days, weeks, or months, but years and centuries.

Let’s talk about the Dome of the Rock, also called the Qubbat al-Sakhrah shrine. David purchased a piece of land at the top of Mt. Moriah for the “House of the Lord” around 973 B.C. The rock the Al-Sakhrah shrine sits over is the natural crown of Mt. Moriah. This foundation stone is sixty feet across and rises six feet above the floor. Thus, the temple is called the Dome of the Rock, or Dome over the Rock.

There is where the Holy of Holies once stood; it’s the holiest place for the Jews. It’s said to be where God created Adam and the site Abraham prepared to sacrifice his son, Isaac. It’s the place where Jesus Christ will establish his throne. It is also the third holiest place for Muslims and the only righteous place for Jews. Today, only Muslims and Palestinians are granted access to the mosque.

So, here’s our timeline: B.C. 598, the daily sacrifice ends precisely 1290 years later, and the Dome of the Rock is finished in 692 A.D., matching Daniel’s prophesy.

Now, let’s talk about Matthew’s “abomination. We must compare Matthew 24:15, and Mark 13:14, with Daniel’s prophesy. “When you (the Jews), therefore, shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,” Mark 13:14 reads, “Standing where it ought not,” the people are told to RUN, leave as fast as you can to the mountains. Daniel tells us another 1335 years will pass before Matthew's prophesy is fulfilled.

From 692 A.D. plus 1335 years, we arrive in 2027 A.D. The month will be October, around the 10th to 18th, during the celebration of Yom Kippur on October 10, 2027, and ends 10-18-27. The time also agrees with Jesus’ baptism on October 27 A.D., exactly 2000 years later.

Concerning these two verses, the Greek word for stand, found in Matthew and Mark, is opposed to falling. It’s a Past Particle expressing a completed action, and absolute. In other verses, the same words ‘stood or standing) are found in the following.

Matthew 12:46, “his brother stood without.”

Luke 9:27, “There are some standing here,”

Luke 17:12, “which stood afar off:’

Two abominations, two separate events, 1335 years apart. The Dome of the Rock is where the antichrist will establish his throne; and an image of himself will stand in the court outside his temple.

He will claim to be God, he’s a liar. And he will claim to be standing in the temple of God, he’s a liar. If the above is correct, the 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation will begin the two witnesses are taken up, and when his high priest heals his deadly wound, then receives his mark, 666.

Luke 21:20
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. 21 Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are inside the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; 22 because these are days of punishment, so that all things which have been written will be fulfilled. 23 Woe to those women who are pregnant, and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land, and wrath to this people; 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The desolation has already happened for Israel.

I am waiting for the times of the Gentiles to be fulfilled.

The times of the Gentiles must be fulfilled before Jerusalem, can be released from Gentile control.

Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Shilohsfoal · Feb 4, 2024

Inquisitor said:

In Jesus Olivet discourse,Jesus covered the signs that precede his coming.He is speaking of specific gentiles who will be occupying Jerusalem for 42 months prior to his coming.

Revelation 11

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

These specific gentiles show up in Jerusalem at the beginning of Jesus Olivet discourse.

Luke 21
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them

Mark 13
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mathew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

I estimate they appear in Jerusalem in another year or two.

douggg · Feb 4, 2024

Shilohsfoal said:

God has taught me.

Shilohsfoal · Feb 4, 2024

douggg said:

I've already asked you to quote your source concerning the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel having been fulfilled and you have not done so.

Now you say God taught you.

Then quote God saying the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel has been fulfilled.

Here is the word of God spoken by Jesus saying the prophecy concerning the abomination of desolation havjng not been fulfilled 193 years after you claim it had been fulfilled.

Mathew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

If you were taught by God,you would have known the prophecy concerning the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel.the prophet was not fulfilled in 167 bc because Jesus said it had still not been fulfilled

That's what happens when you don't believe Jesus.

douggg · Feb 5, 2024

Shilohsfoal said:

The abomination of desolation that Jesus was referring to is in Daniel 12:11-12. Daniel 12 is a time of the end chapter.

Daniel 12:
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Shilohsfoal · Feb 5, 2024

douggg said:

The abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 is the same abomination of desolation in Daniel Daniel 12 :11.
The discussion taking place in Daniel 12 is about the prophecy of Daniel 11.

Daniel and another are asking questions about the prophecy that was told to him in Daniel 11:1-Daniel 12:5.
The the man clothed in linen expounds upon the prophecy that was just told to them.

Daniel 12:11 is the same abomination of desolation as is Daniel 11:31.

Pay attention to the discussion taking place.

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

douggg · Feb 5, 2024

Shilohsfoal said:

No, the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12 is time of the end. Everything in that chapter is time of the end because it starts off with Israel being at the time of the great tribulation in Daniel 12:1.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21, that the great tribulation begins with the abomination of desolation standing the holy place. In Daniel 12:1 puts Israel at the time of the great tribulation, and Daniel 12:11 is the abomination of desolation setup - which will be in the holy place, the temple mount.

And in Daniel 12;1, Michael stands up - which is in Revelation 12:7-9 is when Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels down to earth. Leaving Satan with just a time, times, half times left.

In Daniel 12:7 is that time, times, half times left.

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

In Daniel 12:12, the finish is 1335 days after the abomination of desolation is setup. The finish being when Jesus returns.

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Differently, Daniel 11 is a chapter that is partly historic and and partly time of the end. The transition verse to time of the end is Daniel 11:35.

The abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 is before Daniel 11:35. And is the act by Antiochus IV.

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if you look at my chart, you will see the time of the end events regarding the time, times, half time of Satan having left - and that he will incarnate the AoD, and will be deceptively worshiped. Revelation 13:4.

And the 7th trumpet sounding announcing the third woe - of when Michael stands up, in Daniel 12:1 and Revelation 12:7-9, and casts Satan down to earth - Satan having great wrath as a result and is the third woe in Revelation 12:12.

Also the AoD set up on day 1185 - 1335 days before Jesus returns.

Shilohsfoal · Feb 5, 2024

douggg said:

The abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem in Daniel 12:1.

Daniel 11:31 says the armed forces of the north will abolish the daily sacrifice,then they will place the abomination of desolation.It does not mean they do them at the same time.There is 1290 days from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished ,and the abomination of desolation is set up.The king of the north isnt going to destroy his own armed forces stationed in Jerusalem with the abomination that makes Jerusalem desolate .They will place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem after the king of the south attacks and kills his armed forces stationed in Jerusalem in Daniel 11:40.

Daniel 12:11
From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

The daily sacrifice is abolished,then 1290 days later the abomination of desolation is placed.

You have not even been watching the chapter and have no clue what's going on .You sleep a perpetual sleep and will sleep right through to the time of the end.

GRACE_ambassador · Feb 5, 2024

Shilohsfoal said:

Good thing, under Grace, God Told Paul to teach us:

"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out

of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed."

(Romans 13:11)

"Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be

sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be

drunken are drunken in the night." (1 Thessalonians 5:6-7)

Our Final 'deliverance' At God's Great GRACE Departure!

And, we [ The Heavenly Body Of Christ ] really should be united in:

"Redeeming the time, because the days are evil." (Ephesians 5:16)

And obeying:

"Walk in wisdom [ showing God's Simple Will? ] toward them

that are without, redeeming the time." (Colossians 4:5)

Preparing for [ divided/fighting about? ] the "abomination of desolation"
[ for earthly Israel ]?

or united, studying prayerfully/Carefully God's Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, preparing for:

The Judgment Seat Of Christ!

[ For The Heavenly Body Of Christ],

eh?

Amen.

douggg · Feb 5, 2024

Shilohsfoal said:

The abomination of desolation will be a statue image made of the beast-king.

Antiochus IV in Daniel 11:31 prefigured what the end times abomination will be by placing a statue image of Zeus in the temple.

In Revelation 13:14-15, the false prophet has the statue image of the beast made. The image also comes to life and speaks.

Shilohsfoal said:

The abomination of desolation does not take place until after day 1 of the 7 year 70th week begins. It has not begun yet, and does not begin until after the Gog/Magog event.

i added the false messianic age of the Antichrist that begins on day 1 of the 7 year 70th week.

douggg · Feb 5, 2024

i noted on the chart below the False messianic age of the Antichrist - the world saying "peace and safety' (from 1Thessalonians5:3)

10-22-27 · Feb 5, 2024

Omegatime said:

Omegatime wrote, "Need to understand the covenant with many will bring peace and security for the first 3 1/2 years for the jews as well as building the temple."

My Bible said of the first beast (in the first 3 1/2 years of the seven-year tribulation) Revelation 13:7, "It was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:" Doesn't sound too peaceful to me. He dies of a head wound, and the second beast comes on the scene, heals him.

Shilohsfoal · Feb 5, 2024

douggg said:

PS
There are many mothers in Israel who would love the daily sacrifice to be abolished.They will think very highly of the man who will abolish it.

douggg said:

Falsehood taught by Jason of Cyrene.

The abomination of desolation in chapter 11 is at the time of the end.

douggg said:

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

At the time of the end the king of the north goes forth to destroy and innihilate many.You don't destroy and innihilate many by setting up a statue.

Use common sense Doug.

If you are wanting to destroy and innihilate many at the time of the end ,are you going to destroy many people by making a beautiful statue of someone?
Try to use common sense this one time.

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

You honest believe building a statue is going to destroy all your enemies?

Shilohsfoal · Feb 5, 2024

douggg said:

PS
There are many mothers in Israel who would love the daily sacrifice to be abolished.They will think very highly of the man who will abolish it.

douggg said:

Falsehood taught by Jason of Cyrene.

The abomination of desolation in chapter 11 is at the time of the end.

douggg said:

Donald Trump has already stated that he will provide Israel with peace and safety,but it doesn't matter because you don't know who he is.You have not been paying attention because Jason of Cyrene taught you how not to watch

Daniel and Matthews abomination of desolation.

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