David Wilkerson (Sermons)

[Skinski7]

Look at this quote Chris...

The most important thing I can say to a believer who is sincerely battling a secret sin is: Keep your momentum! No one has ever drowned when swimming upstream toward Christ. No one is left bleeding by the wayside if he is wounded in his struggle to be free.When you fall or when you are face to face with an addiction that won't let go, God draws a line right where you are. He says, "Getup; confess; and keep moving on. Don't cross back over the line. Don't go back to slavery. Keep coming to Me. You have been emancipated, so keep your momentum toward your freedom, by faith."
The most important move you ever make, as a believer, is the move you make right after you fall. Satan whispers, "You are rotten to the core, sensuous, childish, immature. You will never be holy; you will never be anything in God. So quit! Give up. It's useless to try. Go back! God is too high and holy; it's too complicated and difficult; you'll never figure it out. It's all over!"

Lies—all lies! So you sinned after you confessed and believed? So you thought you had freedom and lost it? So you think people will call you a phoney? So you sinned with your eyes wide open—knowing better—with the Holy Spirit screaming in your ears? So you never thought you could do such a vile thing again? So what? Is there godly sorrow in you now? Are you determined to get up and move on? Are you humbled, shamed, and repentant? Your fall is not fatal. Once again, confess and accept God's forgiveness and regain your momentum! You are still His child. You are not a slave to sin. His loving kindness is greater than all your sins. Look up, rejoice, and take heart!

Chapter 7 "How To End Your Struggle - Two of Me, the Struggle with Sin" by David Wilkerson, founding pastor of Times Square Church, New York City


Believers don't "battle secret sins." True believers have been set free from their sins, not in position but in REALITY.

With David Wilkerson it is a "sin/repent" cycle, a cycle of ongoing failure. Look at his words above, it is abundantly clear.

Paul taught that we are slaves to whom we obey (Rom 6:16). Wilkerson asserts that one is not a slave so long as one keeps confessing and getting up each time sin is served. He is a false teacher. There is no HEART PURITY in what he is teaching, there is no real escape from bondage.

Where did Paul or John or Jesus teach anything close to the above quote? They didn't.

He who sins is of the devil. Sin reveals a defiled heart. The iniquity in the heart MUST be purged in repentance through "dying to sin." If that does not happen then the sin NEVER stops.

 

[Chris1975]

The Bible teaches no such thing. The Bible teaches that God reckons FAITH itself as righteousness, there is not any transfer of righteousness from Jesus to anyone.

Look at this verse...

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

What are your thoughts about the following two verses after Romans 4v5 quoted above?

Romans 4v6-8
[SUP]6 [/SUP]just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: [SUP]7 [/SUP]“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”[SUP][c][/SUP]



My reading of this is that has to come from God, in the instance above. Yes it's appropriated by faith (which includes repentance from dead works). Thoughts?

It seems that righteousness is imputed v6 (accounted towards) and sin is not imputed v8 (not accounted towards).

 

[Chris1975]

Look at this quote Chris...


Chapter 7 "How To End Your Struggle - Two of Me, the Struggle with Sin" by David Wilkerson, founding pastor of Times Square Church, New York City


Believers don't "battle secret sins." True believers have been set free from their sins, not in position but in REALITY.

With David Wilkerson it is a "sin/repent" cycle, a cycle of ongoing failure. Look at his words above, it is abundantly clear.

Paul taught that we are slaves to whom we obey (Rom 6:16). Wilkerson asserts that one is not a slave so long as one keeps confessing and getting up each time sin is served. He is a false teacher. There is no HEART PURITY in what he is teaching, there is no real escape from bondage.

Where did Paul or John or Jesus teach anything close to the above quote? They didn't.

He who sins is of the devil. Sin reveals a defiled heart. The iniquity in the heart MUST be purged in repentance through "dying to sin." If that does not happen then the sin NEVER stops.

Hi Skinski,

What are your thoughts on the following scriptures:

Philippians 3
[SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule,[SUP][b][/SUP] let us be of the same mind.

Would appreciate your input.

 

[Chris1975]

Look at this quote Chris...


Chapter 7 "How To End Your Struggle - Two of Me, the Struggle with Sin" by David Wilkerson, founding pastor of Times Square Church, New York City


Believers don't "battle secret sins." True believers have been set free from their sins, not in position but in REALITY.

With David Wilkerson it is a "sin/repent" cycle, a cycle of ongoing failure. Look at his words above, it is abundantly clear.

Paul taught that we are slaves to whom we obey (Rom 6:16). Wilkerson asserts that one is not a slave so long as one keeps confessing and getting up each time sin is served. He is a false teacher. There is no HEART PURITY in what he is teaching, there is no real escape from bondage.

Where did Paul or John or Jesus teach anything close to the above quote? They didn't.

He who sins is of the devil. Sin reveals a defiled heart. The iniquity in the heart MUST be purged in repentance through "dying to sin." If that does not happen then the sin NEVER stops.

We mostly agree on the above. The true believers life is not characterized by sin. Its characterized by victory over sin because the law of sin and death is no longer applicable to those who live under the law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus. And the person led by the Spirit will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

We are NOT to sin. However we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ.

But the true believer will never use this as an opportunity for licentiousness.

Whom the Lord loves he chastens. The one who endures chastening is called a son. But he who doesn't endure chastening, the bible calls this one illegitimate.

Hebrews 12 v6-11

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[SUP][a][/SUP]


[SUP]7 [/SUP]If[SUP][b][/SUP] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? [SUP]8 [/SUP]But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? [SUP]10 [/SUP]For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

 

[Skinski7]

Chris,


1. You don't have an advocate with the Father. The word rendered "advocate" in English is the Greek word "parakletos" and it means "comforter." The same word is used in Joh 14:16,26, Joh 15:26, and Joh 16:7. Its translation as "advocate" in 1Joh 2:1 is a result of theological bias pertaining to an abstract view of salvation in which the Cross is viewed as a cloak for ongoing sinning. That is EXACTLY how you are applying the term when you refer to a "sin/repent cycle" as it pertains to being chastened.

What John is teaching is that if any man sins (ie. those still sinning) then the "parakletos" is available, ie. the MEANS of reconciliation, because Jesus died not only for those whom "sin not" (the redeemed) but for the whole world.

The blood of Jesus is to purge and purify once and for all, not to be used over and over again in an ongoing cleansing for ongoing sin. That is license.

If you read very early church writings they NEVER refer to Jesus in the context of an advocate. That kind of thinking began to spring up in the Catholic Church as "salvation" began to be viewed in an abstract manner. When salvation is viewed in an abstract manner then clearly there needs to be some manner in dealing with the ongoing defilement.

2. Rom 4:6-7 is Paul quoting Psalm 32 where David connects the forgiveness of sins with an "upright heart that contains no guile." In other words the "reckoning of righteousness" is associated with the "reformation of righteousness." It is not forensic as Wilkerson implies. There is no transfer, the Bible does not teach a transfer anywhere. Theologians read a transfer into the context from the biased framework of substitution.

Impute simply means "reckon" or "account." God looks at the HEART and if He sees faithfulness and fidelity towards Him then he counts that as righteousness. The issue is the heart. That is why Paul teaches that the "faith" that God reckons as righteousness has "steps" and "trusts wholeheartedly." Not only that but a few verses back he teaches that "faith establishes the law." Faith is the active principle of a heart totally yielded to God, God counts that as righteousness in spite of past transgressions.

3. The chastening in Hebrews 12 is in regards to TEACHING, not a punishing for rebellion. Look up the word for "chasten," it is the same word rendered "teach" in Tit 2:12-13. Christian's "grow in grace and knowledge" and are thus "taught" or "chastened" by God, but that teaching has NOTHING to do with addressing ongoing rebellion, frequent or otherwise. There is no sacrifice for ongoing willful sin, for the sacrifice is to purge us of our sins.

4. Philippians uses different words for "perfect." One refers to maturity whilst the context of the other has to do with being delivered from our flesh body which physically dies. Go look up the words and then read the context. It is very simple. Paul has not attained release from a corruptible (ie. sick and dying) flesh body yet, thus he had not attained. Yet he was "perfect" in the context of being mature in the faith.

 

[Skinski7]

The idea of "advocate" confuses many people because people have been conditioned to view the Cross from a "legal framework" as opposed to being a means of literal deliverance and reconciliation.

Under the "legal framework" Jesus is viewed as a "lawyer" (ie. an advocate) whom is presenting the "substitution" to God as the basis for justification. It is erroneous and a tradition of men.

Jesus is the MEANS of reconciliation through the Cross. We die to sin with Jesus and are raised up to righteousness by the power of God (resurrection to life - quickened by the Spirit).

We approach God in repentance and faith via the blood seeking RECONCILIATION. Thus we approach the MERCY SEAT as LIVING SACRIFICES seeking cleansing having forsaken our previous ways. The blood is the means of purging the Holy of Holies which is our heart in order that God may indwell a clean vessel fit for the Masters use.

The substitution false Gospel completely undermines that by replacing it with a "trust and receive" where NOTHING actually changes in the heart, which is why "substitution" and "sin we will and sin we must" support each other.

Please consider these things.

 

[Skinski7]

Picture the New Covenant like a marriage.

We cannot enter into a covenant with God whilst being unfaithful. Hence the reason why the New Covenant is inclusive of the law being written upon the heart and mind. When we yield wholeheartedly to God via the means of the Cross then the Holy Spirit sheds the love of God abroad in our hearts by which we are literally made the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ. This is the basis of justification, not some legal swap which people trust in.

Under the false Gospel the marriage is an UNFAITHFUL MARRIAGE because the rebellion NEVER stops. Thus the "advocate" Jesus presents His sacrifice as a COVER for the ongoing unfaithfulness to God. Basically the "advocate" perspective is Satan's original lie reinvented within a very deceptive theological framework which is fooling MOST who profess Jesus Christ.

This is why MANY are rejected at the judgment. They bought into a lie instead of coming to a knowledge of the truth.

 

[Chris1975]

Skinski, you have put forward some very profound statements. Thanks for that. Will prayerfully consider what you said and also investigate further.

 

[slave]

back when i was more into spiritual milk


i liked david as a brand new christian
paul washer
chuck missler
doug hamp (a liiiittle)
Kent hovind
tim conway
alan horvath


buuut 1 by 1

id find little things i felt God would show me when i read the word

that would make me disagree with something these men said

so little by little id focus more on the Word and less on sermons


though

every man i listed
was used by God to speak OF God and soften my heart

grow my hunger for truth

and i thank all of them
and God for using them

(Romans 10:17): ...New American Standard Bible (NASB)

17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

 

[Chris1975]

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