Denying Jesus.....

[Jeff_56]

didn't see the shows, but the book published right after wwtwo that said the same thing I saw and read part of decades ago (long since forgot the title et al).

already by 1955 the ewe ess aye was identified as an up and growing police state just like germany was is most important ways.

obviously most people now-a-days have been raised in such an ungodly environment - 'christians' - that they don't know what real honesty is.... let alone anything else true from scripture. several local pastors think it's 'normal' that no one they married in the last 40 years was righteous in God's eyes, not by faith nor in any other way.

Have you watched the shows on what Hitler did to take over germany, the simularities are astounding in comparison to our goverment today.

God bless
pickles

 

[p_rehbein]

This thread from June 2014................???

 

[Yet]

'Denying the One who bought them'. Greek means to renounce. I see it as leaders, so called, teaching contrary to scripture, and in so doing, they are denying Jesus and His full truth.

 

[Jeff_56]

yes, like jesus says 'whoever is not for me is against me, and whoever is not against me is for me'

there is no in between. as far as churches today and what they are doing? a lot of them(the vast majority if all churches are included), and most of the history of the 'churches', is heresy, (see RoboOps thread on THE HERESY),

sheer darkness, without light.... the miracle of the truth brought by yahweh in and after the reformation is much more astronomically grand than many multitudes realize still....

 

[ColinCat]

I would just like to correct an earlier comment made by a member.

This isn't a multicultural society... Its an OTHERcultural society. Pandering to muslim lunatics and shutting down our own traditions.

Santa Clause banned from the Birmingham Bullring because of these deluded idiots... Yet I had to crawl through the traffic in Birmingham when the Duwali was taking place.

Sorry.. Rant over.

Back on topic.. I'm all for religious symbols being covered up and eradicated... As long as its all of them and it applies to everyone. Don't cover up Christian symbols in a Christian country and in the same breath allow muslim animals to flaunt theirs.

 

[MarcR]

This came as a question last night when watching the news.
They were reporting about how churches, that were used for graduations, were now required to cover the cross or any religious signs.

On one hand, one could say this does not matter for holding any sign as valued, well, one could consider it an idol.

On the other hand, it could be seen as well that the church is denying Jesus, so to make money renting out the church for these events.

Nomally I do not worry much about worldly things, but when seeing this, it felt as though the churches were being asked to deny Jesus, and it disturbed me.

Please share your thoughts on this, as it is something that does disturb one when one considers the implications of denying Jesus.


In Jesus, God bless
pickles

To me there is an underlying issue that is more important; and which, in my opinion answers your question.

I believe that the freewill offerings of God's people should be a church's only revenue.

Mt 10:7-8
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
KJV

Any and every ministry of the church and of the Church should be offered without charge and financed by the giving of God's people If God is unwilling to finance a ministry of the church; that should indicate that something about it is not pleasing Him;since the fact that He is able to provide for His work in His church is undisputable!

 

[Utah]

God is not politically correct. Nuff said!

 

[Jeff_56]

who paid taxes with a coin out of a fishes mouth ? (for whatever reason; in righteousness)

who said give unto caesar what is caesars ?

who said obey (NOT TRUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) the governing authorities as much as peaceably possible without uncompromised righteousness ??? ((different tack: but who is uncompromisingly righteous today? (hint: _____)))

who said (once anyway) agree to be slaves and you will get to return, or refuse to be a slave and die ?

 

[Willie-T]

To me there is an underlying issue that is more important; and which, in my opinion answers your question.

I believe that the freewill offerings of God's people should be a church's only revenue.

Mt 10:7-8
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
KJV

Any and every ministry of the church and of the Church should be offered without charge and financed by the giving of God's people If God is unwilling to finance a ministry of the church; that should indicate that something about it is not pleasing Him;since the fact that He is able to provide for His work in His church is undisputable!

We have carwashes. Is that OK? They are only $1.

Oh, I guess I SHOULD mention that we don't CHARGE a dollar.... We GIVE people a dollar when they try to pay the dollar they think we are charging.)

 

[MarcR]

We have carwashes. Is that OK? They are only $1.

Oh, I guess I SHOULD mention that we don't CHARGE a dollar.... We GIVE people a dollar when they try to pay the dollar they think we are charging.)

I think that car washes and other service projects youth use to finance their activities are fine because while the church provides a venue for the youth groups to meet (without charge) the activities themselves are not strictly a ministry of the church.

The principle I was trying to call attention to is that God's work should be financed by the giving of God's people so that we do not send a message to the world that God is unwilling or unable to support His own work.

 

[Delivery]

This came as a question last night when watching the news.
They were reporting about how churches, that were used for graduations, were now required to cover the cross or any religious signs.

On one hand, one could say this does not matter for holding any sign as valued, well, one could consider it an idol.

On the other hand, it could be seen as well that the church is denying Jesus, so to make money renting out the church for these events.

Nomally I do not worry much about worldly things, but when seeing this, it felt as though the churches were being asked to deny Jesus, and it disturbed me.

Please share your thoughts on this, as it is something that does disturb one when one considers the implications of denying Jesus.


In Jesus, God bless
pickles

Yes. it

It's definitely denying Jesus. [SUP]32[/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.[SUP]33[/SUP] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

When somebody tries to dictate to you that you are not to speak about Jesus, show pictures of Jesus, show Jesus on the cross, quote the bible, put up bible verses on the wall,or do any other thing that Christians might do to promote and preach Jesus, then they are, in effect asking you to deny your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And God requires you to disobey them. Because if Christians comply with those requests to cover up anything about Jesus then they are, in effect, denying Jesus.

This is true even if it's the authorities and Judges and the law of the land that tell you to stop preaching Jesus. I know Christians sometimes justify themselves by saying, "well, it's against the law because the supreme court ruled that you can't preach in government places like schools, government offices, etc. And since the bible says we're supposed to obey the law and the government then it must be OK to comply with this request because it's a public school graduation so we have to comply with the law. So, it's justified." Well, I can tell you this right now, God is not going to justify them. The bible does say to obey the law, but there is one law and rule and ordinance of man that God requires His children to disobey, and that is, any law, ruling, etc. that forbids Christians to confess their faith in Jesus, and to preach Jesus.


And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,
[SUP]2[/SUP] Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
[SUP]3[/SUP] And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide.


And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?
[SUP]8[/SUP] Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
[SUP]9[/SUP] If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
[SUP]10[/SUP] Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
[SUP]11[/SUP] This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
[SUP]12[/SUP] Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
[SUP]13[/SUP] Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.


when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves,
[SUP]16[/SUP] Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot denyit.
[SUP]17[/SUP] But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.
[SUP]18[/SUP] And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
[SUP]19[/SUP] But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
[SUP]20[/SUP] For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.

Then the high priest rose up, and all they that were with him, (which is the sect of the Sadducees,) and were filled with indignation,
[SUP]18[/SUP] And laid their hands on the apostles, and put them in the common prison.
[SUP]19[/SUP] But the angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said,
[SUP]20[/SUP] Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life.
[SUP]21[/SUP] And when they heard that, they entered into the temple early in the morning, and taught. But the high priest came, and they that were with him, and called the council together, and all the senate of the children of Israel, and sent to the prison to have them brought.
[SUP]22[/SUP] But when the officers came, and found them not in the prison, they returned, and told,
[SUP]23[/SUP] Saying, The prison truly found we shut with all safety, and the keepers standing without before the doors: but when we had opened, we found no man within.
[SUP]24[/SUP] Now when the high priest and the captain of the temple and the chief priests heard these things, they doubted of them whereunto this would grow.
[SUP]25[/SUP] Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.
[SUP]26[/SUP] Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.
[SUP]27[/SUP] And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
[SUP]28[/SUP] Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
[SUP]29[/SUP] Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
[SUP]30[/SUP] The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
[SUP]31[/SUP] Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
[SUP]32[/SUP] And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
[SUP]33[/SUP] When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

 

[pickles]

I would just like to correct an earlier comment made by a member.

This isn't a multicultural society... Its an OTHERcultural society. Pandering to muslim lunatics and shutting down our own traditions.

Santa Clause banned from the Birmingham Bullring because of these deluded idiots... Yet I had to crawl through the traffic in Birmingham when the Duwali was taking place.

Sorry.. Rant over.

Back on topic.. I'm all for religious symbols being covered up and eradicated... As long as its all of them and it applies to everyone. Don't cover up Christian symbols in a Christian country and in the same breath allow muslim animals to flaunt theirs.

I agree, all should be treated equal, but then, the goverment is the world.
My concern is what we are called to in Jesus.

God bless
pickles

 

[Jeff_56]

I agree, all should be treated equal, but then, the goverment is the world.
My concern is what we are called to in Jesus.

God bless
pickles

in that case, being hopefully and fully growing in truth,

it helps to realize that the first century ekklesia surprised the roman soldiers.

yes.

when the roman soldiers broke in to the places of worship(service) .. (into peoples homes where they assembled

for the gospel's sake......

and not just homes but synagogues etc....

the roman's were SHOCKED SHOCKED SHOCKED .....
...
...
...
by the bare walls.


they just totally did not expect that. everyone else had idols and /or images and so on......


and of course the idols and images caught on in the heretical church(es) right up to today.....

 

[Yet]

TD jakes, Carlton Pearson, Etc., etc. adnauseum, not a word against gay life style when asked.
40 years ago it was bad enough with the multimillion dollar preachers living off the backs of widow's SS. Checks.
Now the fornicating, adulterating, and homosexual preachers, teachers and music artists coming out for Jesus in these last days with their pockets filled with thousands of dumb christians hard earned cash.

It took me and my wife a lot of painful years to finally figure out why God stopped us at every turn to fulfill any kind of ministry He equipped us with. The out of order 'church' is something he had to show us as well. We living in perilous times.
We know exactly why our movie Maddy is despised and rejected now. That was our last ditch effort to try and fit in with 'church'. God said no. He has separated us unto Himself. 'Come out from among them'....

All of Christendom is denying(renouncing) Jesus' truths. No love, no natural affection. Some knowing full well, others not knowing.

 

[Richie_2uk]

This came as a question last night when watching the news.
They were reporting about how churches, that were used for graduations, were now required to cover the cross or any religious signs.

On one hand, one could say this does not matter for holding any sign as valued, well, one could consider it an idol.

On the other hand, it could be seen as well that the church is denying Jesus, so to make money renting out the church for these events.

Nomally I do not worry much about worldly things, but when seeing this, it felt as though the churches were being asked to deny Jesus, and it disturbed me.

Please share your thoughts on this, as it is something that does disturb one when one considers the implications of denying Jesus.


In Jesus, God bless
pickles

Yes I saw something simular to this too. you got to remember that not all churches are true Christian. They will claim alot of the bible and seem genuine Christian, but somewere in there belief,, they will deny Jesus. Shame really, but if you think about it, any Church denies Jesus, are denying God, and as you know, that you can't deny God and accept Jesus, or vise versa. Thats been a lot of the problem in the world of religions. Again you have to think who is behind it all. but yes I seen something like what you seen on the news. and it too made me think a little of how the world is going.

 

[Willie-T]

TD jakes, Carlton Pearson, Etc., etc. adnauseum, not a word against gay life style when asked.
40 years ago it was bad enough with the multimillion dollar preachers living off the backs of widow's SS. Checks.
Now the fornicating, adulterating, and homosexual preachers, teachers and music artists coming out for Jesus in these last days with their pockets filled with thousands of dumb christians hard earned cash.

It took me and my wife a lot of painful years to finally figure out why God stopped us at every turn to fulfill any kind of ministry He equipped us with. The out of order 'church' is something he had to show us as well. We living in perilous times.
We know exactly why our movie Maddy is despised and rejected now. That was our last ditch effort to try and fit in with 'church'. God said no. He has separated us unto Himself. 'Come out from among them'....

All of Christendom is denying(renouncing) Jesus' truths. No love, no natural affection. Some knowing full well, others not knowing.

Are you guys the Leesleys? (I should have recognized Yet Productions)

 

[Yet]

Yes my friend. Do we know you?

 

[Willie-T]

Yes my friend. Do we know you?

No, just familiar with the DVD. (Our church is big into Homeless ministries.)

 

[Yet]

That's great. Maddy has pretty much been rejected by the church as a whole....I mean the leaders.the jealousy sin-drome. Sad.

 

[Willie-T]

That's great. Maddy has pretty much been rejected by the church as a whole....I mean the leaders.the jealousy sin-drome. Sad.

Well, as long as you keep it out there the way you do anything can happen. (BTW, I applaud your generosity in your distribution.)