Denying the power thereof

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We are to love and fear God. Love Him for reconciling us to Himself through His Son, and fear His judgments. If we have one without the other we are unbalanced. However if we love God with all our hearts, minds, soul, and strength. If we fear Him as judge then we will align our live with His word determining to never sin again. This is true repentance
 
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Jesus died to bring us to repentance Luke 24: [SUP]46 [/SUP]And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
 
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Christ is not coming top make the church righteous.....

He is returning for a righteous bride without spot or wrinkle.

Ephesian 5[SUP]26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,[/SUP]
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
 
 
Revelation 19:7-9
Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready." It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
 
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We are to love and fear God. Love Him for reconciling us to Himself through His Son, and fear His judgments. If we have one without the other we are unbalanced. However if we love God with all our hearts, minds, soul, and strength. If we fear Him as judge then we will align our live with His word determining to never sin again. This is true repentance
Im sure all Gods children want to not sin. But few will tolerate a person who says
he will never sin again. True repentance is not saying you will never sin again.
Not even close.
 
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Im sure all Gods children want to not sin. But few will tolerate a person who says
he will never sin again. True repentance is not saying you will never sin again.
Not even close.
You right, true repentance IS not ever sinning again....words are cheap
 
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Yes, your words are cheap.
 
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Yes, your words are cheap.
Everyone's word are cheap, but scripture does not lie. No sinner will inherite the Kingdom, even those that think they are saved
 
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Ezekiel asks a question in Ezekiel 33:10.''If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, why do we continue in them, how should we then live?''
Realizing that we are held accountable for our own sins I ask the same question to you ''How should we then live?''
The short answer is found in Titus 2:11-12. We should deny ungodliness and wordly lust, living soberly, righteously and godly in this present world. We should be thuroughly and wholly with out sin. We should live sinlessly
Titus 2
11 For the grace of God that bring salvation has appeared to all men
12 teaching us that denying ungodliness and wordly lust, we should live soberly righteously and godly in this present world
 

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I think you are confusing sanctification and justification and glorification.

Justified is when Christ makes us right. Sanctification is the on-going work of the Holy Spirit in our lives, changing us into the image of Christ. Glorification is when we see Christ face to face and we sin no more.

"Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, [SUP]13 [/SUP]not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:12-18.

Notice how is says we are BEING transformed. In the process, and in the passive, because God is doing it to us, with the power of the Holy Spirit. If we were already perfect, what would be left to transformed?

That is also why we are to allow the Holy Spirit to transform us.

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Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will" Romans 12:1-2

Because we are not yet perfect!
 
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Sanctification is immediate and progressive. We are immediately cleanse and forgiven of all sin becoming a new creation in Christ the moment we are born again. We are commanded to go and sin no more (which we are also empowered by Holy Spirit to do). At this point our hearts and motive need to be pure before the Lord. However we do grow in understanding. The more understanding we receive through prayer and study the more we must align our lives with the light we have received. This is instant and progressive sanctification
 

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I agree that holiness is separation from sin. But can you honestly say since you have been born again that you have not sinned
one time or had to be convicted over something?
 
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Some will tell you it is impossible to live a life of pure obedience to God without ever stumbling or sinning. However Jesus said though it may be impossible for men, all things are possible for God. Moreover He said that to us who believe all things are possible. Finally Paul wrote that God is not only able to do what we believe or think He can, but He can do exceedingly, abundantly more than we could ever even imagine. And how does God accomplish this? Though the Holy Spirit power that is already dwelling in us.
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
 
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I agree that holiness is separation from sin. But can you honestly say since you have been born again that you have not sinned
one time or had to be convicted over something?
I have sinned since I have been born again, but I repented of that. What we cant do is say it is impossible as long as we are in the flesh to overcome sin. That is making provision for our flesh and we are commanded in scripture not to do that

Romans 13:[SUP]14 [/SUP]But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
 
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John writes in 1 John 2:1 that we are not to sin, but IF (not when) we sin, we do have an advocate Jesus Christ the righteous. However in verse 6 he say if we claim to be in Christ we ought to walk as Christ did....sinlessly. In Christ we can overcome all temptation.
 
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1 Corinthians 10:[SUP]13 [/SUP]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
 

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Sanctification is immediate and progressive. We are immediately cleanse and forgiven of all sin becoming a new creation in Christ the moment we are born again. We are commanded to go and sin no more (which we are also empowered by Holy Spirit to do). At this point our hearts and motive need to be pure before the Lord. However we do grow in understanding. The more understanding we receive through prayer and study the more we must align our lives with the light we have received. This is instant and progressive sanctification
This statement was the clearest.

Children sometimes do foolish things because they don't know any better. If a good parent gives correction and instruction, would that child continue in its foolish ways. Not if that child truly trusts the good parent. Otherwise that child chooses to not trust and chooses to rebel.

Seek ye first the kingdom of God AND His righteousness. Many that have sought the kingdom of God, do not seek His righteousness but choose to continue in their own ways. We should not be mistaken in thinking that we have found His righteousness simply by finding the kingdom of God. We need to press on, fight the fight, continue the race...
 
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This is what Paul was talking about in Timothy.

1 Corinthians 1:18[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Many Churches today are doing this very thing and hardly even mention Jesus Christ at all and It's a shame and the reason why America is in the shape it is.[/FONT]
 
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I even saw footage of a pentecostal church playing secular music with lights, lasers and dancing with paper sacks on their head. Absolutely crazy, no wonder are kids are messed up.