Descended from Israel vs Belonging to Israel

[Sophia]

Well, I guess that meet up is now, for a second??

By the lack of engagement here, I'm glad to see most do not agree with this .

They may not agree with me.....but I am not about to go starting threads on what most would call "terrible guesswork".
Where do you get this stuff Sophia??

You have hand picked certain verses, and without any adjacent/surrounding scripture, presented to us, that we are all from "Israel"...and are a part of the remnant, I'm guessing?

SO out of context.
You should stop, really...you should.

Actually, it's contextually accurate. If you have a real argument against it, then make it.
Start with a point, and try to counter it.

You will find that only dispensationalists will disagree with me... and not even all of them.
Dispensationalism is popular in America, but not globally. It is a very "scholastic" oriented theology group, not Spirit oriented.

 

[Reborn]

Actually, it's contextually accurate. If you have a real argument against it, then make it.
Start with a point, and try to counter it.

You will find that only dispensationalists will disagree with me... and not even all of them.
Dispensationalism is popular in America, but not globally. It is a very "scholastic" oriented theology group, not Spirit oriented.

Simply sis...it's this easy.......
I can twist scripture around too.
But it doesn't mean I'm right.
Not all should teach...that's why I don't...I voice opinions....normally you voice opinions too....

...but this, you have presented?

Is really, really off.

Anyway, Watch this....

I present an end time theory.
Bozo the Clown is the antiChrist and will lead an army....with the help of "four angels" (code name for television stage hands)

I will prove this:

Rev 9:16
Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horseswere like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone.

The key:
200 million: will be the "children who follow him into "battle""
Breastplates of fiery red: is a metaphor/reference to Bozo's nose:..... fiery red!! See? The other colors are clown colors mentioned!
Fire, smoke and brimstone: are the "magic tricks" he will perform on stage to get kids to follow him.

Anyway.
My point is that just because we have an idea, doesn't mean it's right.
We all have the potential to be sincerely wrong.

I'm sorry.
Good luck with this, I guess.

 

[Sophia]

Simply sis...it's this easy.......
I can twist scripture around too.
But it doesn't mean I'm right.
Not all should teach...that's why I don't...I voice opinions....normally you voice opinions too....

...but this, you have presented?

Is really, really off.

Anyway, Watch this....

I present an end time theory.
Bozo the Clown is the antiChrist and will lead an army....with the help of "four angels" (code name for television stage hands)

I will prove this:

Rev 9:16
Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horseswere like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone.

The key:
200 million: will be the "children who follow him into "battle""
Breastplates of fiery red: is a metaphor/reference to Bozo's nose:..... fiery red!! See? The other colors are clown colors mentioned!
Fire, smoke and brimstone: are the "magic tricks" he will perform on stage to get kids to follow him.

Anyway.
My point is that just because we have an idea, doesn't mean it's right.
We all have the potential to be sincerely wrong.

I'm sorry.
Good luck with this, I guess.

Are you kidding me?
Did you read anything in my OP? If you don't have an actual point to say, why continue talking?
My points were clear, and were supported. If you disagree, then make an actual counter.

Explain what is wrong in my OP if you think I twisted.

 

[Reborn]

Are you kidding me?
Did you read anything in my OP? If you don't have an actual point to say, why continue talking?
My points were clear, and were supported. If you disagree, then make an actual counter.

Explain what is wrong in my OP if you think I twisted.

I know your stance form other threads.
You seem like a really cool gal. I really enjoy most of your posts.
You, like the rest of us, have a certain "matter of fact" type tone to your posts....but we all do sometimes.

BUT.....
I can't make you see scripture my way, nor can you make me see your point of view of it?

Why? That's obvious to us both.
God shows us...we don't show each other, what something means.
How can we?......this is why we all argue on CC, we want others to see through our eyes.
Sort of wild, that we all know this, yet we all keep doing it?

Doesn't really work that way.
We help guide each other, but ultimately our trust and knowledge is in/from the Bible and The Holy Spirit.

In our particular case (you and I) I think it's because I think the "time of the Gentiles" was fulfilled with the 6 Day War in 1967. See?, I can not make you agree with me on this.

With that one crucial chunk of history (to me), it completely separates our views.
I mean COMPLETELY changes a lot.
I believe there is timeline we can see now.....you may not?

I believe we are the "end times", and the Bible has been completely opened to us,.... to understand and search.
This is our part in history.

So, if you still see Revelation or 144K, or any of that as "future events", how can we properly debate..on anything pertaining to remnant, Israel, etc?
We both stand ---views held high---on and at different timelines.

You have to agree with this?

 

[Sophia]

I know your stance form other threads.
You seem like a really cool gal. I really enjoy most of your posts.
You, like the rest of us, have a certain "matter of fact" type tone to your posts....but we all do sometimes.

BUT.....
I can't make you see scripture my way, nor can you make me see your point of view of it?

Why? That's obvious to us both.
God shows us...we don't show each other, what something means.
How can we?......this is why we all argue on CC, we want others to see through our eyes.
Sort of wild, that we all know this, yet we all keep doing it?

Doesn't really work that way.
We help guide each other, but ultimately our trust and knowledge is in/from the Bible and The Holy Spirit.

In our particular case (you and I) I think it's because I think the "time of the Gentiles" was fulfilled with the 6 Day War in 1967. See?, I can not make you agree with me on this.

With that one crucial chunk of history (to me), it completely separates our views.
I mean COMPLETELY changes a lot.
I believe there is timeline we can see now.....you may not?

I believe we are the "end times", and the Bible has been completely opened to us,.... to understand and search.
This is our part in history.

So, if you still see Revelation or 144K, or any of that as "future events", how can we properly debate..on anything pertaining to remnant, Israel, etc?
We both stand ---views held high---on and at different timelines.

You have to agree with this?

Looking at Romans 9, can you say with certainty that the current nation of Israel can Biblically be identified with the OT nation of Israel?

It's not about "seeing it your way, or seeing it my way". Paul isn't using complicated terms. It's about whether we are starting with clear teaching, and interpreting the prophecy based on the clear revealed teachings,
Or about redefining the clear teachings of Jesus and the Apostles to match the way the ancient Jews interpreted the OT.

It is about interpreting the OT through the divine teachings of Christ,
vs
interpreting the teachings of Christ through the human understanding of ancient Israelites.

Jesus rebuked them for their literal interpretations. So I will stick to interpreting the prophetic through the lense of the Teacher, rather than through the scholastic lense of the Pharesees and Saducees. They misunderstood the prophecies about Christ because they were stuck on the grammatical (Letter).

 

[Sophia]

If the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled, then why is there still an abomination standing on the Holy Mountain?
Why have the 10 northern tribes not returned?

Why do we place Faith in the gathering of Israel proclaimed by the UN, and not listen to the Word which says that Messiah will gather them Himself?

The gathering we see is of the branches that He has cut off... and this surely is a sign of soon judgement and destruction, for their end is to be burned. Notice how few in Israel are Christian, and most of them are missionaries. The true gathering will be 100% Christian. There will be none who are not Blood Bought Believers.
He tells them to flee from the great city before the Judgement, not gather there.
If we loved Jews, we would not send them to the woodpile while shouting "Peace". But we would be showing them the Living Vine, and pray they would be grafted back in, and warning them of the woodpile.

Doctrines matter little in the light of this practical teaching of Christ. If they are not grafted back in, they face judgement. The Kingdom gathering, prophesied in Zechariah, is not before the Coming of Christ, but WHEN HE COMES.
Unless Christ has returned secretly, the gathering of "Jews" to Canaan is setting up for the great deception, not forming the prophesied Kingdom.

We are not called to support the habits, traditions, cultures, and claims of unbelievers, but show them the Word that they to might believe and be saved.

 

[Karraster]

That verse is very important! It shows that the full number of Gentiles need to be brought in before Israel can be called complete. It also relates to Romans 9 where parts need to be cut off in order that the whole can be saved.
You have separated Israel from the Church without thinking of the implications. They are One.
That phrase "all Israel" includes Gentiles.

If Paul had meant to say full number he could have used a different Greek word: ‘arithmou’, as in Revelation 7:4, he used the word ‘pleroma’, and it is never translated anywhere else as full number, but only as fullness (as 11:12).

Paul meant fulfilled as in ‘complete, the state of being full.’ In its verb form pleroma means ‘to be full, or filled up’, thus the fullness of the Gentiles has come in refers to the yielding of Gentile believers to God’s will. The result of this will cause Israel to be jealous, enticed, drawn to Messiah .

Don't take my word for it, look it up and see for yourself.

 

[Reborn]

Romans 9 or 11....the most debated of them all.
I see it in a certain way, you and I will not agree with Sis.
Your whole note above this one?........there is no way I can even start to explain all of that in a post, or 2, or 500.
People want quick responses to some really deep complicated topics.......unbelievable.
As if I can drop a note and make you say "Oh, yeah,.... that changed my view, thanks!"
It NEVER works here Sophia, it's circular arguments.

My only brotherly advice is you try to read the Bible from scratch.
Clear your thoughts of traditions, man made doctrines, denominational bias, labels, groups, terms, preconceived ideas, stories, opinions, articles pertaining........and read it with a childlike innocence.

Go into it, like it's a new book you would read that you picked up at Barnes And Noble. (does that exist anymore)

You will see, just how much people have lied to you or have bent the truth over hundreds of years.

I apologize if you have done this recently, but if you read it from scratch?...you will have so many "wait, didn't so and so say this was this way?" type moments.

Man has lied to us.... that we need their guidance to "understand " it.
We need to go to school, or get degrees, or listen to someone who has years of training.
We all have to fit in a "label".

Absolutely heartbreaking, that people will think what I am telling you right now, is rubbish.

"What!!!!...Reborn...what!??..... are you.?...... suggesting,.... she find answers on her own?!?!?!....you devil!!"

I'm serious. Most people will give you a "keep studying until you come to MY conclusion " type attitude.
They want you to agree with them, not the Bible's truth sometimes.

Let's be honest...who--in between Netflix, iPad playing, chores, phone calls, CC debating, everyday life .....sits around and reads and studies the actual physical Bible anymore?

Do I?
Do you?
Do they?

We all can say yes, but we are on here a lot, aren't we? We still have work and other matters to tend to?
So when do we all do it, as we all claim?

I'm not telling you this, so you can come to my conclusions, ( I do not save, Jesus does)
Maybe I am wrong.
I'm suggesting this because what you have presented in the OP, is really just a mix of old man made ideas, sprinkled with doctrine blown out of context.

Nothing ground breaking,....... but not the truth either.
I suggest you reread, just like I did.......am I really that bad of a guy by suggesting this?
Sorry.

 

[Sophia]

Jerusalem Post 7/22/13
According to a 2012 report by the Central Bureau of Statistics there are 158,000 Christians living in the country, representing two percent of the total population.
Of that population, approximately 80 percent are Arabs, with the remainder mostly immigrants from the former Soviet Union who immigrated under the Law of Return.

posted on 7/25/13
Not to be confused with Christians, Maoz Israel reports there are approximately 15,000 Messianic Jews—Jews who have accepted Christ as their Savior—living in Israel.
The largest Christian community in Israel is that of the Greek Catholics (Melkite), which comprise 40% of the total Christian population. They are followed by the Greek Orthodox 32%, the Roman Catholics 20%, and the Maronites 7%. The remaining Christian groups amount to around 1% of the total.



If this were a gathering of the Remnant as foretold by the Prophets,
then the Remnant would recognize Christ, because they would believe the Father.
There is no way to the Father except through Christ.

 

[Sophia]

Romans 9 or 11....the most debated of them all.
I see it in a certain way, you and I will not agree with Sis.
Your whole note above this one?........there is no way I can even start to explain all of that in a post, or 2, or 500.
People want quick responses to some really deep complicated topics.......unbelievable.
As if I can drop a note and make you say "Oh, yeah,.... that changed my view, thanks!"
It NEVER works here Sophia, it's circular arguments.

My only brotherly advice is you try to read the Bible from scratch.
Clear your thoughts of traditions, man made doctrines, denominational bias, labels, groups, terms, preconceived ideas, stories, opinions, articles pertaining........and read it with a childlike innocence.

Go into it, like it's a new book you would read that you picked up at Barnes And Noble. (does that exist anymore)

You will see, just how much people have lied to you or have bent the truth over hundreds of years.

I apologize if you have done this recently, but if you read it from scratch?...you will have so many "wait, didn't so and so say this was this way?" type moments.

Man has lied to us.... that we need their guidance to "understand " it.
We need to go to school, or get degrees, or listen to someone who has years of training.
We all have to fit in a "label".

Absolutely heartbreaking, that people will think what I am telling you right now, is rubbish.

"What!!!!...Reborn...what!??..... are you.?...... suggesting,.... she find answers on her own?!?!?!....you devil!!"

I'm serious. Most people will give you a "keep studying until you come to MY conclusion " type attitude.
They want you to agree with them, not the Bible's truth sometimes.

Let's be honest...who--in between Netflix, iPad playing, chores, phone calls, CC debating, everyday life .....sits around and reads and studies the actual physical Bible anymore?

Do I?
Do you?
Do they?

We all can say yes, but we are on here a lot, aren't we? We still have work and other matters to tend to?
So when do we all do it, as we all claim?

I'm not telling you this, so you can come to my conclusions, ( I do not save, Jesus does)
Maybe I am wrong.
I'm suggesting this because what you have presented in the OP, is really just a mix of old man made ideas, sprinkled with doctrine blown out of context.

Nothing ground breaking,....... but not the truth either.
I suggest you reread, just like I did.......am I really that bad of a guy by suggesting this?
Sorry.

I again find it so strange that you think I have been taught this stuff by another.
When I was 20, I had to leave the congregation I was raised in because their teachings were out of line with the Word.
What I am showing you comes from reading the Bible, not other books.

The reason you are a dispensationalist is due to teachers and books, as the idea is alien from Scripture. Where would you get the idea that I was lead away into this by a denomination? My home church is Baptist, and dispensationalist leaning. I know all about your view.

 

[Reborn]

I again find it so strange that you think I have been taught this stuff by another.
When I was 20, I had to leave the congregation I was raised in because their teachings were out of line with the Word.
What I am showing you comes from reading the Bible, not other books.

The reason you are a dispensationalist is due to teachers and books, as the idea is alien from Scripture.

See, you gave me a label.
I'm a Bible-Believist.

What I present can be backed with one simple understanding.
The time of the Gentiles being fulfilled.

Logically it's been 2000 years since the cross....Revelation is about those 2000 yrs.
What isn't logical, is to think that an ENTIRE book as important as Revelation will happen over a matter of 7 years.

Once again...we all want to feel "special".

 

[Sophia]

See, you gave me a label.
I'm a Bible-Believist.

What I present can be backed with one simple understanding.
The time of the Gentiles being fulfilled.

Logically it's been 2000 years since the cross....Revelation is about those 2000 yrs.
What isn't logical, is to think that an ENTIRE book as important as Revelation will happen over a matter of 7 years.

Once again...we all want to feel "special".

Then I'll refrain from the label "dispensational"... even though that is the only formal theology group that holds to the separation of the Church and Israel...


This debate really isn't about the book of Revelation. It's about the definition of "Israel". Romans 9 seems to define it in a very spiritual sense, and refutes the genetic/ethnic/national sense as being strictly true.
Jesus also said these same things when dealing with the Pharisees.

If you can't get your view to fit to the definitions given in the Word, then I suggest reviewing it.

 

[Reborn]

Then I'll refrain from the label "dispensational"... even though that is the only formal theology group that holds to the separation of the Church and Israel...


This debate really isn't about the book of Revelation. It's about the definition of "Israel". Romans 9 seems to define it in a very spiritual sense, and refutes the genetic/ethnic/national sense as being strictly true.
Jesus also said these same things when dealing with the Pharisees.

If you can't get your view to fit to the definitions given in the Word, then I suggest reviewing it.

Really?
This has EVERYTHING to do with Revelation.

From Revelation we get the key to understanding what happened to the dispersion/the tribes and God's promise to Jacob/Israel.

People say.... don't read Revelation...it can't be understood!!!....the biggest lie of them all.
It's really them saying..."I can't understand it, so you won't either!"
The entire Bible needs to be read and understood before we make any conclusions on what and who "Israel" is.

How can you preach on a conclusion of a "character" in the movie, when you haven't read or understood the ending to the script?

You have admitted that you are not so sure about Revelation....I'd suggest you review it, before you come to these conclusions too.

 

[Sophia]

Really?
This has EVERYTHING to do with Revelation.

From Revelation we get the key to understanding what happened to the dispersion/the tribes and God's promise to Jacob/Israel.

People say.... don't read Revelation...it can't be understood!!!....the biggest lie of them all.
It's really them saying..."I can't understand it, so you won't either!"
The entire Bible needs to be read and understood before we make any conclusions on what and who "Israel" is.

How can you preach on a conclusion of a "character" in the movie, when you haven't read or understood the ending to the script?

You have admitted that you are not so sure about Revelation....I'd suggest you review it, before you come to these conclusions too.

I have studied Revelation in depth. I see there are about 4 possible interpretations of the main prophetic timeline, and one of them (or a mix) will be revealed further as time progresses, and the signs are fulfilled. There are also 1000s of differences in every persons understanding of Revelation. Very rarely have I ever met two Christians who see it exactly the same.

Because of the multiple possible views and intricate imagery, it should be understood that to gain practical application from the book of Revelation, we must interpret it, and all prophecy, in light of the clear Words of Christ and the Apostles.

I see many people look at Revelation, take some things literally, and then go applying them to the words of Paul, Peter, Jesus, and then to the OT prophecies.

It is important for us to read and study it, but not necessary for us to understand all of it. Just as the prophecies were explained when Christ came the 1st time, these will be explained when He Returns.
I guarantee you that you do not fully understand Revelation, and I am calling you out on that bluff.

 

[Sophia]

Rather than the tangents, I have yet to hear anyone able to explain this verse away while holding to Israel as separate from the Church, or that Israel apart from Christ is still heir to promise:

Romans 9:6 For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, [SUP]7 [/SUP]and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

Who are the children of promise? According to Galatians 4, it is those in Christ.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? [SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;[SUP][e][/SUP] she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. [SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written,“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now you,[SUP][f][/SUP] brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.


This makes it clear that those who are under the Law (unbelieving Jews) are no longer heirs to the promises to Abraham, but instead the promises are given to those who have been given to Abraham as children, through Election not birthright.

It would take some mighty twisting to interpret these passages to align with the Church being separate from true Israel: which is the Body of OT and NT saints redeemed together in Christ, by His Grace, through their Faith.

We wait for the New Jerusalem, and the Land of Promise.

 

[Reborn]

I have studied Revelation in depth. I see there are about 4 possible interpretations of the main prophetic timeline, and one of them (or a mix) will be revealed further as time progresses, and the signs are fulfilled. There are also 1000s of differences in every persons understanding of Revelation. Very rarely have I ever met two Christians who see it exactly the same.

Because of the multiple possible views and intricate imagery, it should be understood that to gain practical application from the book of Revelation, we must interpret it, and all prophecy, in light of the clear Words of Christ and the Apostles.

I see many people look at Revelation, take some things literally, and then go applying them to the words of Paul, Peter, Jesus, and then to the OT prophecies.

It is important for us to read and study it, but not necessary for us to understand all of it. Just as the prophecies were explained when Christ came the 1st time, these will be explained when He Returns.
I guarantee you that you do not fully understand Revelation, and I am calling you out on that bluff.

Never said I understood all of Revelation.
There are small chunks of it, that is hard to grasp, I agree....but those parts I believe happened hundreds of yrs ago.
Real history buff stuff.

Doesn't mean one can't go off of key verses, and land on a point of time/ current history.
6 Day War...and work their way through the verses backwards?
Just because I can not pin the EXACT meaning of the first seal, doesn't mean it hasn't happened yet?
Because I can explain the other 6?

Revelation is a big jumbled puzzle anyway, one WOULD have a hard time understanding it, by reading it straight through.
You need the entire Bible to understand it.

I said, I understood who the 144K were, and how they apply to this entire topic, in multiple threads, we've been discussing the past few days.
How they apply to the remnant and Israel.
That is the whole vibe you got going here right?

Once again, you are basically saying Revelation can't be fully understood by someone out there......that is a lie.
Either, because someone told you this...or simply, because you don't get it.

We are probably going to go in circles.

Good luck Sophia.
God Bless.

 

[Sophia]

The right division is not Church from Israel,
but the things of the physical world and physical mind
divided
from the things of Heaven and the spiritual mind.

The things of the world are temporary, and to be destroyed,
but the things of Heaven are eternal, and are the archetypes for the restoration of all things!

The books of genealogies were burned along with the earthly Temple, and were abolished along with the earthly sacrifices.

The Book of genealogies(Life) in Heaven is the archetype for the genealogies on earth, but men distorted them by being physically minded.
And so the things of Heaven were the archetype for the Temple on earth, but men distorted it by being physically minded.
The Law of Heaven was the archetype for the Law of Moses, and yet men distorted it also, by being physically minded.

When He Returns to restore all things, He brings them as New.

 

[michael56]

The issue is the definition of "Jew" in accordance to how Jesus and Paul and Peter and John define it.
It is not that all physical Jews will be saved, but that all who are saved are considered Jews.
Those who are not saved are "cut off" and are no longer Jews (even of they still call themselves such).
Those who ARE saved, both of Hebrew or Gentile descent, are grafted into Israel and called true Jews.

Basically, in God's sight, there are no Israelites that are not saved, because He cuts off all the unsaved from Israel.
There are none who are saved who are outside of Israel, because all who are saved are brought in.

Do you not think God has the right, when the Jewish people living in Israel look on him whom they have pierced(Zech 12) at a time yet to come, turn all ungodliness away from Jacob? Is it not possible that God, in his sovereign plan wanted, after the exile and suffering of the Jews to return them to their homeland and bless them. And that at that time God would bring them ALL to know him from the least to the greatest.

 

[michael56]

I agree with you, not all descended from Israel are Israel. I agree that we can all be spiritual Israel, there is no disagreement here.
My point is simply this. Does God not have a right to-at a time in the future open the hearts of every Jew and turn them all living at that time from ungodliness and bring them to look on him whom they pierced, and accept him as their Saviour, every one of them alive at that time. Is God unjust if He chooses to do that? Does he not have the right to do that if he chooses and it is part of His Sovereign plan?

 

[michael56]

This makes it clear(text from Galatians 4) that those who are under the Law (unbelieving Jews) are no longer heirs to the promises to Abraham, but instead the promises are given to those who have been given to Abraham as children, through Election not birthright.

It would take some mighty twisting to interpret these passages to align with the Church being separate from true Israel: which is the Body of OT and NT saints redeemed together in Christ, by His Grace, through their Faith.

We wait for the New Jerusalem, and the Land of Promise.

Absolutely, those not living under a law of righteousness are spiritual Israel. I can only repeat, is it impossible for God, to bring the physical Jews alive at that time to look on him whom they pierced and turn all ungodliness away from Jacob? Is it impossible for God at that time to bring all of the physical Jews alive at that time to accept Christ as their Saviour and turn from a law of righteousness to a righteousness of faith in Christ? Is it impossible for God to make all Physical Jews at that time part of spiritual Israel?
And who can say God does not have the right to do that if it is part of His Sovereign plan? In my opinion, it is the only way the prophecies mainly found in the OT can be accepted.
Can God not have elected all Physical Jews at a time in the future to be saved through Christ when they look on him whom they have pierced? Can God not open the mind and heart of anyone he chooses to accept his son as their Saviour. God is omnipotent, he will have mercy on whom he wishes to have mercy, and He will do whatever he chooses to do