Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

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What did Moses do that warranted such a severe penalty from the Lord?

First, Moses disobeyed a direct command from God. God had commanded Moses to speak to the rock. Instead, Moses struck the rock with his staff.

Second, Moses took the credit for bringing forth the water. Notice how in verse 10 Moses says, "Must we [referring to Moses and Aaron] bring you water out of this rock?" Moses took credit for the miracle himself, instead of attributing it to God.

Third, Moses committed this sin in front of all the Israelites. Such a public example of direct disobedience could not go unpunished.

Fourth, it seems that God had intended to present a type of Christ in this circumstance. The water-giving rock is used as a symbol of Christ in
1 Corinthians 10:4. The rock was struck once in Exodus 17:6, just like Christ was crucified once (Hebrews 7:27).

Moses’ speaking to the rock in
Numbers 20 was to be a picture of prayer; instead, Moses angrily struck the rock, in effect, crucifying Christ again. His punishment for disobedience, pride, and the misrepresentation of Christ’s sacrifice was that he was barred from entering the Promised Land (Numbers 20:12).
https://www.gotquestions.org/Moses-promised-land.html

thak you sis, You said it so much better than I did. Amen.
 
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I believe there is a huge misunderstanding of what "under the Law" means.

The wages of sin is death. The law says if I transgress the Commandments of God, I die. But we have all died. We are all "under the law". Which means dead. Under the curse of the law means dead. The "law of sin" contained in ordinances, is the part of the law that says "The soul that sin's shall die".

It is falsely taught for centuries that being "Under the Law" means being under the instructions of God. But this is not true.

Rom. 8:14 For sin (which caused our death)shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, (Dead) but under grace.(alive having our past transgressions removed)

15 What then? shall we sin,(transgress God's Commandments) because we are not under the law, (dead) but under grace? (alive) God forbid.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

You might ask yourself, obedience to what?


Paul concludes in Rom. 7,

Rom. 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

No curse here as many preach. No burden, no Yoke, no talk about how God created Laws no man could follow and they Killed thousands who didn't keep it.

No God's Laws are "Good".

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin (Death)which is in my members.

Paul finds his flesh, pride, selfishness, covetous, wickedness deceitful. This flesh hates God and God's instruction.

Rom. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

But he also said this SIN that is in all mankind shall not have dominion over him. Because Jesus has promised to remove it (Grace) and Paul has Faith that this is true.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Not God's Commandments, but death. That is the curse of the Law. That is what it means to be "Under the Law".

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Whose Grace made me alive again) So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

With the Grace of Christ,(not the works of Paul) AND with the law of God (not the works of Paul) Paul will overcome his flesh which has been condemned to death by the law of sin.(The soul that sins shall die)

This "law of sin" which states we die if we live in disobedience to God, that is contained in ordinances, is the only law that is against us. The law can't give life, only Jesus can do that. The Law takes life.

Col. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


It is a false teaching that Jesus nailed what they call the entire "Mosiac Law" to the cross. He blotted out the part of the law contained in ordinances that was against us. And the only part of God's Commandments that are against us is the part that says if we sin we die.

As Paul clearly explains:

Rom. 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, (when we didn't rule over our flesh) the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (The Law says we sin, we die)

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,(Grace gave us another chance to begin anew) and not in the oldness of the letter.(You sin, you die)

Anyway, I hope you don't mind me hijacking your post. Please let me know if you find something missing in this study.

Very good post JJ :)
Under the law is quite simple.

it means if you do not complete the requirment of the law. You will suffer the consequences which was given for all who broke the law.

When your under a contract (the law was a contract between God and Israel) you are bound by that contract. If you complete it, you will get paid your reward. If you break it, you forfeit your reward (the other party is not obligated to carry out his end)

the curse of not fillfilling the covenant call the law death.

 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”
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"Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand,which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction ."

2Pt 3:15
 
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Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”
how does coming to christ in faith and reciting his gift of salvation establish the law? Honest question.
 

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Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”
First of all we have to ask what law do you think this is?

Because you said that works of the law means levitical law.

So we are justified by faith apart from the levitical law...


But then our faith establishes the levitical law???


I'm not agreeing with this. But the scripture is perfectly clear if you have the correct understanding of works of the law.
 

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Under the law is quite simple.

it means if you do not complete the requirment of the law. You will suffer the consequences which was given for all who broke the law.

When your under a contract (the law was a contract between God and Israel) you are bound by that contract. If you complete it, you will get paid your reward. If you break it, you forfeit your reward (the other party is not obligated to carry out his end)

the curse of not fillfilling the covenant call the law death.

Thanks eternally-gratefull for the post,,,it is a good one. There is one thing that could be added and that is "Only Jesus Christ could OBEY all 613 laws"
 
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I learned from a very young age, that keeping God's (10) would/could
keep me out of jail...:)
 
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First of all we have to ask what law do you think this is?

Because you said that works of the law means levitical law.

So we are justified by faith apart from the levitical law...


But then our faith establishes the levitical law???


I'm not agreeing with this. But the scripture is perfectly clear if you have the correct understanding of works of the law.
hahahahaha. thats right.

hizikyah ur doctrine isnt logical. it doesnt stand biblical examination

cant u just join christians in the new covenant and stop the hebrewroots nonsense?
 

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First of all we have to ask what law do you think this is?

Because you said that works of the law means levitical law.

So we are justified by faith apart from the levitical law...


But then our faith establishes the levitical law???


I'm not agreeing with this. But the scripture is perfectly clear if you have the correct understanding of works of the law.
Ive ssaid over and over the levites are abolished, the mediator of the covenant is Yahshua, you are all making false accusations.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:34, "Who is he who is condemning? It is Messiah who died, and furthermore is also raised up, who is also at the right hand of YHWH, who also makes intercession for us."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."[/FONT]



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hahahahaha. thats right.

hizikyah ur doctrine isnt logical. it doesnt stand biblical examination

cant u just join christians in the new covenant and stop the hebrewroots nonsense?
funny hjow you quote another persons false witness of me and use it to discredit me..... only first habd witness is acceptable to make accusations.

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”


Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah (Instructions/Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”


Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love יהוה your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”


Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself. I am יהוה.”


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete
 
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First of all we have to ask what law do you think this is?

Because you said that works of the law means levitical law.

So we are justified by faith apart from the levitical law...


But then our faith establishes the levitical law???


I'm not agreeing with this. But the scripture is perfectly clear if you have the correct understanding of works of the law.

I guess it is how we interpret the law (levitical) and what purpose we think it is given.

I do think faith establishes yes even that law. Thats why I hope he answers.
 

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Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”
"Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand,which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction ."

2Pt 3:15
mmm, so lets read a verse or two more?

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

how does coming to christ in faith and reciting his gift of salvation establish the law? Honest question.
Through the Spirit of YHWH, guided and changed not to live heavy laden in sin (transgression of the Law) any longer

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah (Instructions/Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."

Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete[/FONT]


Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
 
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mmm, so lets read a verse or two more?

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."



Through the Spirit of YHWH, guided and changed not to live heavy laden in sin (transgression of the Law) any longer

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah (Instructions/Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."

Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”


Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love יהוה your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”


Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself. I am יהוה.”


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete


Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
A lot of stuff here.

so you think that the law is established in faith by the fact we start to obey the commands is this correct?
 

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A lot of stuff here.

so you think that the law is established in faith by the fact we start to obey the commands is this correct?
I think:

Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”
Faith does, true faith that is.

Through the Spirit of YHWH, guided and changed not to live heavy laden in sin (transgression of the Law) any longer

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
A change in heart from the Spirit of YHWH, a true change that no man can replicate or fake,

Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah (Instructions/Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."

Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”
FOr His commands tell us what love is according to Him, not what I say, you say, or anyone says, but what He says;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."[/FONT]


Those who claim love and do not seek His cammands are said to be liars and I beleive the written word and agree with it:

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love יהוה your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”

Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself. I am יהוה.”

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 2:9, “But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 13:7-8, “Remember those leading you, who spoke the Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]to you. Consider the outcome of their behavior and imitate their belief. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”[/FONT][/FONT]


 

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[h=2]Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?[/h]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”[/FONT]

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I think:



Faith does, true faith that is.



A change in heart from the Spirit of YHWH, a true change that no man can replicate or fake,



FOr His commands tell us what love is according to Him, not what I say, you say, or anyone says, but what He says;

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."


Those who claim love and do not seek His cammands are said to be liars and I beleive the written word and agree with it:






1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear יהוה, and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you.”


1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”
1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear יהוה, and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you.”


1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”



Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”


1 Corinthians 2:9, “But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him.”


John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”


John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”


Hebrews 13:7-8, “Remember those leading you, who spoke the Word of יהוה to you. Consider the outcome of their behavior and imitate their belief. יהושע Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”


is it so hard to just say yes or no? There is so much stuff here I can not make heads or tails of what you really think.

It is not that difficult of a question.

Do you think Faith establishes the law by making us able to follow the law (ie, enables us to obey his comma
nds?)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


No one here is proposing we do not have to obey Gods commands. Will you please stop with this nonsense, it gets old!!
 

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is it so hard to just say yes or no? There is so much stuff here I can not make heads or tails of what you really think.

It is not that difficult of a question.

Do you think Faith establishes the law by making us able to follow the law (ie, enables us to obey his comma
nds?)
I answered clearly:

I think: Faith does, true faith that is. A change in heart from the Spirit of YHWH, a true change that no man can replicate or fake