Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

MarcR · Dec 4, 2017

I agree .

If a person depends on Jesus alone for Salvation; and the work of God's Spirit alone for sanctification; then choosing to obey the Law to the best of their ability as a matter of lifestyle is not a problem. Depending on law keeping or teaching dependence on Law keeping is wrong only because none of us is able to keep the Law to God's standard. The only thing that can make us right with God is what Jesus did for us. The only thing that can keep us right with God is the Holy Spirit working within us.

homwardbound · Dec 4, 2017

You brother have come a long way, the last three years. Or it is I that has come to more understanding a long ways. Or, it is I have in denying me the self to see deeper than have in past as not denying God, as I see you do not either, Thank You for the willing belief to his love for us all.

We in belief get to see in the belief that does not quit. We get to adhere to God's lead in and through us unto the Love that goes on forever through us. This love as in 1 Cor 13:4-7 is indisputable. It is God's true love that gets imputed to us by Faith as in Romans 4:17-25, and against such is no Law. Under Law, yes and No! What is the perplexity in this? Go to Father Yah in Prayer with risen Yahshuah and hear truth above error in Love and mercy that we are given, to now do by Faith as shown by Jesus Yashuah Ha'Mashiach in his walk here on earth in flesh and blood for us in reconciliation to us by his willing death for us to get new life in risen Life given us from Father, Yahweh

Wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-6 Mystery revealed in risen Son after death reconciled us first to get by belief (Faith) new life to be led in God'as true Love 1 Cor 13:4-7

homwardbound · Dec 4, 2017

MarcR said:

We are surely not in the same place as when we first told God personally we believe, at least, this is what I see today presently. I an not the same, and have seen much and done much and learned much even in adversities. I now am seeing humbly more than ever before, in knowing I do not know, but God Father does and that is what I see to trust ids Father through risen Son Col 1:23 after seeing 1:22 made perfect by Son's death alone in his willing death. Son took on all sin, not the root of sin the result of the root of unbelief to him and Father ass Won for us to get that root taken out.

God does this in all that stand in belief to see, will see after going through adversities, so will we stand in this and just love and Forgive as we are now today loved and forgiven through Son, by Father?

So the enemy gets put under the feet of our Lord as he says to his Lord, Father., it is done in Roger, Howard, Peter, You, yuo and you too

For God does just love us into purification, that he gave and gives through risen Son after one accepts the death as being 100% forgiven, reconciled

[h=1]2 Corinthians 5:17-20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.[/FONT]

PS · Dec 4, 2017

beastslayer1970 said:

Moses

And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

(Num 31:9-18)

PS · Dec 4, 2017

Here are some of the Mitzvot Laws for information:

487 Save someone being pursued even by taking the life of the pursuer — Deut. 25:12

488 Not to pity the pursuer — Num. 35:12

545 The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24

546 The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14

547 The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20

548 The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10

549 The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22

550 Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23

555 The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence — Ex. 23:7

51 Not to bow down before a smooth stone — Lev. 26:1 (Idolotry)

189 Not to benefit from an ox condemned to be stoned — Ex. 21:2 (Cruelty)

008 Not to destroy objects associated with His Name — Deut. 12:4 (Idolotry)

596 Destroy the seven Canaanite nations — Deut. 20:17

597 Not to let any of them remain alive — Deut. 20:16

598 Wipe out the descendants of Amalek — Deut. 25:19

599 Remember what Amalek did to the Jewish people — Deut. 25:17

600 Not to forget Amalek's atrocities and ambush on our journey from Egypt in the desert — Deut. 25:19

603 Not to offer peace to Ammon and Moab while besieging them — Deut. 2

These laws break several of the commandments. Why all the talk about keeping them. Do people not understand what they are saying? This is the Law of Moses. God's law is the Ten Commandments given by God on the Mountain to Moses.

Magenta · Dec 4, 2017

PS said:

They are to hang a corpse? Hmmm...

PS · Dec 4, 2017

Magenta said:

And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. (Deu 21:22-23 KJV)

valiant · Dec 4, 2017

PS said:

Here are some of the Mitzvot Laws for information:

487 Save someone being pursued even by taking the life of the pursuer — Deut. 25:12

488 Not to pity the pursuer — Num. 35:12

545 The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24

546 The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14

547 The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20

548 The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10

549 The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22

550 Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23

555 The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence — Ex. 23:7

51 Not to bow down before a smooth stone — Lev. 26:1 (Idolotry)

189 Not to benefit from an ox condemned to be stoned — Ex. 21:2 (Cruelty)

008 Not to destroy objects associated with His Name — Deut. 12:4 (Idolotry)

596 Destroy the seven Canaanite nations — Deut. 20:17

597 Not to let any of them remain alive — Deut. 20:16

598 Wipe out the descendants of Amalek — Deut. 25:19

599 Remember what Amalek did to the Jewish people — Deut. 25:17

600 Not to forget Amalek's atrocities and ambush on our journey from Egypt in the desert — Deut. 25:19

603 Not to offer peace to Ammon and Moab while besieging them — Deut. 2

These laws break several of the commandments. Why all the talk about keeping them. Do people not understand what they are saying? This is the Law of Moses. God's law is the Ten Commandments given by God on the Mountain to Moses.

So God recommended breaking His own law?

The ten words (Exodus 20)are clearly a part of the covenant with Israel based on suzerainty treaties of 12 th century BC.

These stated the name of the suzerain, what he had done for them, that he was to be honoured above all others, and what he required of them in response.

There are no grounds for separating the 'words' from what follows. ALL are God's and are addressed to ISRAEL

valiant · Dec 4, 2017

PS said:

Moses

And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

(Num 31:9-18)

But GOD knew that if they remained alive they would lead Israel astray. It was because they were later disobedient (merciful?) that they left the Canaanites alive who proved their downfall.

GOD had a right to condemn whom He would.

valiant · Dec 4, 2017

PS said:

GOD was teaching is people how to live and the heinousness of crimes for which He had given the death penalty. They were crimes for which no sacrifice availed. They must not even be buried in the land the same day. Israel would thus see the heinousness of the crime. To begin with the law was strictly carried out.

Later God could be merciful to David (Ps 51) and others. But David said 'you do not desire sacrifice else would I give it'. He knew that no sacrifice could prevail. His only hope was the mercy of God,

Vessel_Of_Honour · Dec 4, 2017

I don't believe God abolished the law. The law is described as a schoolmaster, but we are now free from the law of the letter to follow the law of the Spirit. That means it's relational and we can confess our sins and He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The law is not abolished but it is fulfilled in Christ. Certain things are no longer relevant, i don't know anyone who is likely to boil a goat in it's mother milk. But their are things which are obviously sin, and correlate to the new testament too. This is a good verse (someone may already have mentioned it) James 4:17 "So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin". This is also a very relevant passage pertaining to sin.

Romans ch 14:1As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master[SUP]a[/SUP] that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.5One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.10Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11for it is written,“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess[SUP]b[/SUP] to God.”
12So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Although this passage denotes eating, one could argue that the law in the old testament had many things that God's people couldn't eat.

The passage then goes on to warn us not to cause our brothers to stumble. This is very important. Romans 14: 13Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. 15For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love.

The final passage i would like to mention is in the same chapter - also relevant. 19So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.

There is allot about our faith being personal and also about ensuring your brothers faith through being careful, thoughtful and mutually up-lifting. Amen.

stillness · Dec 4, 2017

PS said:

In Daniel 7:25 The enemy "Will think to change times and laws," referring to the "Time of trouble such as never was," before the end, "a falling away comes first." People deceived to think they can fulfill the law, don't see their need of the Saviour (new age belief). In short rejecting the Holy Spirit, and believe they become a god. This was the error of the religious readers who opposed Jesus.
Contrary to public opinion, God doesn't need our help and neither could we fix this. It's prophesied: "The time will come that those who kill you will think they are doing God a favor."

LoveGodForever · Dec 4, 2017

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6. Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10. God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

Yep seems like Jesus, James, Peter, Paul and John all agree God's 10 commandments are important as the standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS of the Old and New Covenant and the Judgement to come.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness w e are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

If you disagree with the above by all means prove your case from the Word of God. If you cannot you should BELIEVE God's Word because ONLY God's Word is true (Romans 3:4)

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

LoveGodForever · Dec 4, 2017

GOD’S LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER

The Law of God (10 commandments) is the work of God ( Exodus 32:16 ) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken a way (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7).

God's Law is the very foundation of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement to come (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12; Exodus 36:26-27; Jeremiah 31:33-34; Hebrews 10:26-28; Romans 1:29-32;2:-9;2 Corinthians 5:10; Hebrews 9:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31).

God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people ( Exodus 20:1-22 ). God’s 10 commandments are the spoken word of God ( Exodus 20:1-22 ). God’s Word does not pass away ( Matthew 25:35 ).

Gods Law is sti ll in force today ( Psalms 111:7-8, Revelations 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4; James 2:8-12 etc).

God’s Law re veals sin to us and the penalty of sin so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 6:23; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4 ).

It is the great standard of the judgement (Hebrews 10:26-28; Romans 1:29-32; Romans 2:2-13; 2 Corinthians 5 :10; Hebrews 9:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31 ).

God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be s aved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood as we have faith ( Galatians 3:24; Revelations 1:5 ).

God writes His Law in our hearts so that we become like him and we follow hi m because we love him ( Hebrews 8:10-12 ) LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law (Romans 13:10).

This is why Jesus says to those that love him If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness w e are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

notuptome · Dec 4, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

You assume that Saturday is the Sabbath and not Sunday or another day of the Gregorian calendar. We are not using the Hebrew calendar. All that to say the seventh day could be any day depending on how accurate the transition was done.

Regard the day in your heart but do not disparage another who regards another day in his heart.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Grandpa · Dec 4, 2017

PS said:

You still don't understand that it is the 10 commandments that are being talked about?

You are contending that the Lord Jesus abolished the law, meaning the levitical law, but people are still bound to work at commandments (the 10)?

Grandpa · Dec 4, 2017

notuptome said:

Why do we assume that sabbath is a day?

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[/FONT]Why do christians not know that our sabbath is in Christ?

Colossians 2:16-17
[FONT=&quot]16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.[/FONT]

LoveGodForever · Dec 4, 2017

notuptome said:

Hello friend,

If you read and follow God's Word you do not need to assume anything. The 4th commandment is one of the ten as has been shown in the scriptures in the previous posts.

Exodus 20:8-11
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

GOD'S LAW IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Peter 2:20-22; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

There is a lot of scriptures here and we have not even looked at all the scriptures in the NT on the 10 commandments on which the 4th commandment is one of the ten.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness w e are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

LoveGodForever · Dec 4, 2017

Grandpa said:

Because God's Word says it is a day........

Exodus 20
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Matthew 12
8, For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Grandpa said:

Col 2 is referring to the Mosaic Shadow laws for remission of Sin which includes the New Moons, annual ceremonial festival sabbaths and holy convocations of Leviticus 23 which could fall on any day of the week (these are not the weekly Sabbath of God's 4th commandment) that were pointing to Jesus and have their fulfillment at the cross (see Exodus 20:8-11; John 19:31;Lev 23:24; 32)

When one of the Festival sabbaths (not weekly 4th commandment) or Holy convocations of Leviticus 23 fell on a normal weekly Sabbath (4th commandment) it was called a high Sabbath day ..................

John 19:31 (BSB)
It was the day of Preparation, and the next day was a High Sabbath. So in order that the bodies would not remain on the cross during the Sabbath, the Jews asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies removed.

John 19:31 (KJV)
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, for that sabbath day was an High day, besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

John 19:31 (NIV)
Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

The annual festival Sabbaths of Lev 23 were different to God's weekly 7th day Sabbath of the 4th commandmenthere are a few examples below...........

Leviticus 23
4, These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
5, In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S Passover.
6, And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7, In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8, But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Leviticus 23:24
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Leviticus 23
26, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28, And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
29, For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30, And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31, Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32, It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Now these special Sabbaths that were NOT the weekly Sabbath of God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) could fall on ANY day of the week and whatever day it fell on NO Work was to be carried out hence special or uncommon sabbath. (see High Sabbaths wiki)

Here you go plenty more scriptures linking the Old Testament and New Testament scriptures here in the COL 2 thread linked..

Hope this helps......

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness w e are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place. There is NO scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

If you disagree with the above by all means prove your case from the Word of God. If you cannot you should BELIEVE God's Word because ONLY God's Word is true (Romans 3:4)

gb9 · Dec 4, 2017

notuptome said:

I've thought this many times myself. I wonder if the Hebrew roots/ sda cults are 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt sure they have the right day?

Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

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