Did Jesus have a Hebrew name? Really?

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Hizikyah

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Actually, Hiz claims there is in existence right now a ancient Hebrew Gospel of Matthew and he claims that is is the original.
Linked you to the microfilm copy twice....
I told him this several times and yet he clings stubbornly to the fairy tale that Mathew was written in Hebrew and copies of it exist. You can lead a horse to water but....
link to microfilm of Hebrew Matithyah (Matthew), if content its is sincerely studied it is an amazing revelation.

http://www.torahresource.com/DuTillet/Ms.Heb.28_Howard.Ms.A.pdf

http://www.torahresource.com/DuTillet/BL_Ms.Add.no.26964.pdf
 
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danschance

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link to microfilm of Hebrew Matithyah (Matthew), if content its is sincerely studied it is an amazing revelation.

http://www.torahresource.com/DuTillet/Ms.Heb.28_Howard.Ms.A.pdf

http://www.torahresource.com/DuTillet/BL_Ms.Add.no.26964.pdf
Photocopies of an old book is not proof of anything. Show me a legit scholar who talks about an original Hebrew gospel. Show me any reasonable website even wikipedia but do not show my photos of an old book and then claim it is proof.
 
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Linda70

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Actually, Hiz claims there is in existence right now a ancient Hebrew Gospel of Matthew and he claims that is is the original.
Hate to break the bad news.....but there are NO originals!
 

WomanLovesTX

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Here is a book I recently read. "The naming of Jesus in Hebrew Matthew" by Nehemiah Gordon. Description from Amazon.com: [h=2]Book Description[/h]Publication Date: May 23, 2013
The Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew before being translated into Greek and other languages. The Hebrew version of Matthew survives in at least twenty-eight manuscripts copied by Jewish scribes in the Middle Ages. Among the most important manuscripts of Hebrew Matthew is the one preserved in the British Museum Library. A full-color photograph of this manuscript is now available for the first time in this book. The book looks at the naming of Jesus as told in Hebrew Matthew 1:18-25 and includes the original form of Jesus' Hebrew name: Yeshua. Learn about the unique features of Hebrew Matthew, about the traditions that guided the Jewish scribes who transmitted this ancient text, and how the name Yeshua became "Jesus".

[h=2]Editorial Reviews[/h][h=3]About the Author[/h]Nehemia Gordon holds a Masters Degree in Biblical Studies and a Bachelors Degree in Archaeology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Gordon has worked as a translator on the Dead Sea Scrolls and as a researcher deciphering ancient Hebrew manuscripts. He has been invited to speak in synagogues and churches around the world and has led groups of pilgrims and visitors on tours of biblical sites. A native of Chicago, Nehemia has made his home in Jerusalem, Israel since 1993.

If you have a Kindle, the book is $2.99
 

crossnote

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I told him this several times and yet he clings stubbornly to the fairy tale that Mathew was written in Hebrew and copies of it exist. You can lead a horse to water but....
Maybe by the typing of two or more witnesses.
 

crossnote

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Here is a book I recently read. "The naming of Jesus in Hebrew Matthew" by Nehemiah Gordon. Description from Amazon.com: Book Description

Publication Date: May 23, 2013
The Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew before being translated into Greek and other languages. The Hebrew version of Matthew survives in at least twenty-eight manuscripts copied by Jewish scribes in the Middle Ages. Among the most important manuscripts of Hebrew Matthew is the one preserved in the British Museum Library. A full-color photograph of this manuscript is now available for the first time in this book. The book looks at the naming of Jesus as told in Hebrew Matthew 1:18-25 and includes the original form of Jesus' Hebrew name: Yeshua. Learn about the unique features of Hebrew Matthew, about the traditions that guided the Jewish scribes who transmitted this ancient text, and how the name Yeshua became "Jesus".

Editorial Reviews

About the Author

Nehemia Gordon holds a Masters Degree in Biblical Studies and a Bachelors Degree in Archaeology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Gordon has worked as a translator on the Dead Sea Scrolls and as a researcher deciphering ancient Hebrew manuscripts. He has been invited to speak in synagogues and churches around the world and has led groups of pilgrims and visitors on tours of biblical sites. A native of Chicago, Nehemia has made his home in Jerusalem, Israel since 1993.

If you have a Kindle, the book is $2.99
manuscripts from the middle ages are quite distant from when the originals would be...try early 2nd or latest 3rd century.
 
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chubbena

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no, snoberry is trying to force people who never heard the word to use it, Or to use the word when NO ONE knows what it means.

Maybe you would not understand this??
The word snobbery is from the OP and I'm just putting it into good use here.
Are you sure "no one" knows what Yahweh, Yeshua, Joshua mean? At least you now know, don't you?
 
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chubbena

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where do you get this popularity stuff from? it is what My bible says, It is what I use to speak to people. to teach people. Or discuss with people when we happen to discuss the word of God. or if I am giving the gospel. to challenge someone to go read what it says in a bible to test what I say.




So,

what do Angels Call God

What did Adam Call God

What did Noah call God?

I keep hearing the same old arguments, But no one is willing to show me proof.
Didn't you say
show me a popular english bible where is says he calls himself Yahweh.


Looks like you prefer popularity over reality.
And the name Jesus is used in English speaking world for about 400 years.
What arguments? There is no argument if you let others speak His name in their preferred pronunciation.
 
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chubbena

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how could they? the hebrew language was not invented yet.

Your showing me that from a document which was written in hebrew. Thus your logic is FLAWED!
And how long has the name Jesus been used?
 
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chubbena

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Not a single post has PROVED Jesus had a Hebrew name. There is no proof.

Many have pointed out the Jesus means Joshua which is true, but there is no hard evidence that Jesus actually had a Hebrew name. Even Flavius Josephus called Jesus by His Greek name as well as all manuscript evidence. His own disciples wrote down His blessed name in Greek.

Show me hard evidence he was called by a Hebrew name in a ancient document.
And He is not called Jesus back in time. So one prefers to call Him Jesus the other prefers to call Him Joshua yet another calls Him Yeshua shouldn't be a problem for anybody so why do you make it like a problem?
 
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Linda70

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Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Photocopies of an old book is not proof of anything. Show me a legit scholar who talks about an original Hebrew gospel. Show me any reasonable website even wikipedia but do not show my photos of an old book and then claim it is proof.
I find it funny, His so called proof of alot of his arguments would be laughed out of a court of law. They are not even very good to use as circumstantial evidence.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The word snobbery is from the OP and I'm just putting it into good use here.
Are you sure "no one" knows what Yahweh, Yeshua, Joshua mean? At least you now know, don't you?

Now your adding to my words.

I never claimed no one. Just further proof you have some vendetta against me, So bad you will twist my words.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Looks like you prefer popularity over reality.
Yep. It is reality, There is no english bible which says it that I know of (except maybe just maybe a bible which the HRM made up) See more proof of your vandetta. So a bible that most english readers is all they have is a popularity context?

Go with your brother in arms. Your logic is flawed. your making unreasonable and outlandish claims just to prove your point. It is actually quite comical watching you all try to prove your claims.

And the name Jesus is used in English speaking world for about 400 years.
What arguments? There is no argument if you let others speak His name in their preferred pronunciation.

put me back on ignore please.
 
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Technically Jesus has quite a few names like...

I AM
Immanuel
Savior
Jesus
Yeshua

Etc....A few points to ponder....

1. Would it not be strange for God to reveal the names that are given and then judge us by using said names...meaning....it would seem to be OK to use any of the names that have been found throughout scripture be it Jesus, Yeshua, and or Immanuel...

2. When some one is immersed is not under a generic application of....

In the name of

The Father
The Son and
The Holy Spirit

Which names/name would that be?
 
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danschance

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Here is a book I recently read. "The naming of Jesus in Hebrew Matthew" by Nehemiah Gordon. Description from Amazon.com: Book Description

Publication Date: May 23, 2013
The Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew before being translated into Greek and other languages. The Hebrew version of Matthew survives in at least twenty-eight manuscripts copied by Jewish scribes in the Middle Ages. Among the most important manuscripts of Hebrew Matthew is the one preserved in the British Museum Library. A full-color photograph of this manuscript is now available for the first time in this book. The book looks at the naming of Jesus as told in Hebrew Matthew 1:18-25 and includes the original form of Jesus' Hebrew name: Yeshua. Learn about the unique features of Hebrew Matthew, about the traditions that guided the Jewish scribes who transmitted this ancient text, and how the name Yeshua became "Jesus".

Editorial Reviews

About the Author

Nehemia Gordon holds a Masters Degree in Biblical Studies and a Bachelors Degree in Archaeology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Gordon has worked as a translator on the Dead Sea Scrolls and as a researcher deciphering ancient Hebrew manuscripts. He has been invited to speak in synagogues and churches around the world and has led groups of pilgrims and visitors on tours of biblical sites. A native of Chicago, Nehemia has made his home in Jerusalem, Israel since 1993.

If you have a Kindle, the book is $2.99
Note how this book has an author? This means he wrote it. It is a translation from Greek into Hebrew. There is no evidence extant today that Matthew was written in Hebrew except for some statements made by some early church fathers. Origen claims it is a "tradition".

Not a single shred of manuscript evidence has ever been found in Hebrew.
 

WomanLovesTX

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Note how this book has an author? This means he wrote it. It is a translation from Greek into Hebrew. There is no evidence extant today that Matthew was written in Hebrew except for some statements made by some early church fathers. Origen claims it is a "tradition".

Not a single shred of manuscript evidence has ever been found in Hebrew.
Sorry, but no...Nehemia Gordon did not write Hebrew Matthew from Greek to Hebrew. He is a scholar who has done actual work in translating the Dead Sea Scrolls and his book is about the Hebrew Matthew that has survived 28 manuscripts copied by Jewish scribes of which there is one that has been preserved in the British Library Manuscripts, that is of most significance.

An early Christian author named Papias wrote around the year 100: "Matthew composed his history in the Hebrew dialect, and everyone translated it as he was able."

Quote from Nehemia Gordon's book: "The original Hebrew version of the Gospel of Matthew was widely disseminated and read among Jesus' Jewish followers known as the Nazarenes. When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, the Nazarenes were forced underground and the Hebrew version of Matthew slipped into obscurity.

Hebrew Matthew resurfaced a thousand years later when a Spanish rabbi named Shem Tov Ibn Shaprut copied it as an appendix to his book Even Bockan. Shem Tov's version of Hebrew Matthew has been known in the Western world for over a hundred years but it had been generally assumed to be a translation from Latin to Greek. In 1987, Professor George Howard of Macon University wrote a monumental book proving that Hebrew Matthew was not a translation at all but an original work written in Hebrew.

The surviving version of Hebrew Matthew is not an exact replica of the original gospel written in the First Century. It has gone through a long and complicated process of transmission just as the Greek version has. The profound importance of Hebrew Matthew is that it serves as a witness to the original Hebrew gospel and preserves much of the flavor and character of the Hebrew message preached by Jesus of Nazareth some two thousand years ago.

Hebrew Matthew was survived in twenty-eight manuscripts copied by Jewish scribes in the Middle Ages. One of the most important of these manuscripts is preserved in the British Library and designated "Add. 26964."

As you can see, he, a scholar, does not say that the original manuscript has survived, but he points to the handwritten scribed copies, of which there is known 28 of them. The scribes were meticulous in "copying". As a Hebrew scholar (he worked in translating the Dead Sea Scrolls and is proficient in Hebrew) he knows about the small intricacies that each scribe would have utilized in the copying of the Hebrew Matthew. Hebrew is somewhat "poetic". The idea that in Hebrew that Jesus would have a name that means "God saves" and "God's salvation", is very poetic that God's son would have a name meaning that is MEANINGFUL and includes the Father's name.
 
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danschance

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Hate to break the bad news.....but there are NO originals!
That is true. I should of restated the question but it still stands. Show me proof that Mathew was originally written in Hebrew from a legit source. If Hiz does any research he will quickly find out that there is no proof at all.
 

WomanLovesTX

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ABOUT SHEM TOV

The Shem Tov Hebrew Matthew is the work of a fourteenth century Jew, Shem Tov, ben Yitschaq, ben Shaprut, who was born in Tudela in Castile. He later settled in Tarazona in Aragon where he practiced medicine as a physician.
Shem Tov should not be confused with Ba'al Shem Tov, the Rabbinical miracle worker who founded Hasidism in the 18th Century.


In 1380, Shem Tov completed a work known as Even Bochan, which means "Test Stone", and which he revised several times. This work included a Hebrew version of the Gospel of Matthew which until recently was viewed as a translation from the Greek or Latin into Hebrew.


Even Bochan was written during the Spanish Inquisition refuting Catholicism and Shem Tov's approach was to go through the New Testament section by section searching for weaknesses that could be used against the Catholics.
It is obvious that the Hebrew Matthew text contained within Even Bochan is not the original Hebrew text but that Shem Tov copied from an original and changed the text to suit his beliefs.


There is sufficient of the original Hebrew text, however, to show that the Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew and that it was translated into Greek by translators who were not fully conversant with the Tanakh which is referred to as the Old Testament.

REf: Scripture Net
 

Angela53510

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Here is a book I recently read. "The naming of Jesus in Hebrew Matthew" by Nehemiah Gordon. Description from Amazon.com: Book Description

Publication Date: May 23, 2013
The Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew before being translated into Greek and other languages. The Hebrew version of Matthew survives in at least twenty-eight manuscripts copied by Jewish scribes in the Middle Ages. Among the most important manuscripts of Hebrew Matthew is the one preserved in the British Museum Library. A full-color photograph of this manuscript is now available for the first time in this book. The book looks at the naming of Jesus as told in Hebrew Matthew 1:18-25 and includes the original form of Jesus' Hebrew name: Yeshua. Learn about the unique features of Hebrew Matthew, about the traditions that guided the Jewish scribes who transmitted this ancient text, and how the name Yeshua became "Jesus".

Editorial Reviews

About the Author

Nehemia Gordon holds a Masters Degree in Biblical Studies and a Bachelors Degree in Archaeology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Gordon has worked as a translator on the Dead Sea Scrolls and as a researcher deciphering ancient Hebrew manuscripts. He has been invited to speak in synagogues and churches around the world and has led groups of pilgrims and visitors on tours of biblical sites. A native of Chicago, Nehemia has made his home in Jerusalem, Israel since 1993.

If you have a Kindle, the book is $2.99
Regardless of where he lives, a Master's degree is not considered a scholarly level. I am probably more qualified education wise to evaluate these Middle Age manuscripts. Give me a book by someone who has a Ph.D from a highly recognized university, and I think they will say that there are no early manuscripts of Matthew in Hebrew.

On also has to wonder why JEW would copy Matthew, unless they were closet Christians?? Makes no sense to me whatsoever!