Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?

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Billyd

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IMHO, Nowhere in the definition, Deuteronomy 5:13-14, do I see the Sabbath defined as Saturday or Sunday. The day that the Israelites used was set in stone by the appearance of Manna during the period they wandered after leaving Egypt. Most modern calendars have maintained that date as the seventh day of the week.

Is it wrong for us to use a different day for the Sabbath? If it is the day after you have worked six days, nothing in the original definition says anything different. If you are set on using Saturday, please ensure that your six workdays start on Sunday. If your first workday is on Monday, and you choose Saturday, you are not keeping the commandment.
 

homwardbound

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You are not unsaved when you gather on Sunday but the saved will gather on Sabbath. Honoring the seventh day is the fruit of salvation, not the means to it.

Understanding Bible prophecy, as it relates to the Beast, is huge. It covers years of earth's history and brings understanding, clarity and hope to people. That's what prophecy does. There is so much more than just the Sabbath and Catholicism but if you don't see them two its hard to go any further. There is so much more to relearn but you must first identify the means by which the enemy is deceiving. Once you do then it's easier to accept how the majority of the world is following the Beast or its image.
Bottom line as what I see is:
Galatians 6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

So either sows (thinks) to fleshly gain or just trusts God to support him/her wherever they are at. Is this not the war to this day flesh verse Spirit of God, from Spirit of error in high places playing with our minds trying real hard for us to be selfish

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

2 Corinthians 10:4
(for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
 

homwardbound

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I am a SDA because of the bible. I used to be a Pentecostal and then a Lutheran. The more time I spent in Gods' word the more and more I learned that SDA is the closest to the original bible Christians teaching.
And I learned this:
2 Corinthians 2:17
For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:3
forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2 Corinthians 4:2
but have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Galatians 2:6
But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man’s person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
1 Thessalonians 4:8
He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
1 Peter 4:16
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

And the true Tabernacle is:

Hebrews 8:1
Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Hebrews 8:2
a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
 

homwardbound

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If you follow truth you will run into the SDA along the way.
So SDA is one's mediator, I thought Christ one and only way to Father through Christ? we are to follow everyone else's interpretation as complete truth, and is it not Spirit breathed from God to rightly divide the word of truth in love and Mercy to all? which is the risen Christ in the power of Father in spirit and truth? do we not all have access to read and if not able to read or hear the word in the Bible, do you think God will leave that person alone and not call them? And if they do not attend Church are they lost?
 

homwardbound

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I personally believe the Church of God seventh day is the closest. cog7.org
And please continue to read and check it all out and trust God who by Faith does live in you in Spirit and truth, thanks to Son for you. to set you free and keep you out of bondage, Love it.
yet if you are in bondage then their might be error in your truth that you are listening to, that leads to pride and boasting, when you think you accomplished stopping tat sin you hate. You might see the self you, in the way, I don't know, I know God showed me this and am seeing as Paul said in 2 Cor. 12:7-9. not ever wanting to lose humility and having to be buffeted again. Even though if I do get buffeted, I know there is a reason for it to humble me again. So therefore I thank God in all things, and you?
 

homwardbound

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Paul was a Sabbath keeper along with Jesus and the early church.
By the Spirit of the Law daily 24/7 not literal as they did in the first Testament, and found themselves in bondage, error, and did not love all, thought of themselves as better than everyone else except those they loved

Luke 6:32
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
 

homwardbound

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And then Santa Claus came to town and had a big fight with the Easter bunny now everyone worships on Sunday, the Venerable Day of the Sun. I think the Tin Man gets a heart somewhere in there too.
You are so literal, might you not see in Spirit and truth, we are not of this world, just in it as ambassadors, representing the love, joy, peace and righteousness in the Holy Spirit of Father, being the only one that keeps us clean by Son's finished work for us at the cross Col. 1:21-23

It is the Spirit that sets one free not the letter of the Law or Laws. Hope your motive is pure, for if it is God who knows who is who and will reveal or not truth to his Children. And we will be free in Son as it is written.
 

homwardbound

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Re: sun worship

Many of the pagan beliefs and practices were mixed into the Christian faith and are still part of that fallen system even today. This was all prophesied by God years ago so that His people would not be led astray.
Yep, fact so after pray for people to see truth over error, trust God to do this to those that God knows to reveal this to, for God's purpose all in all you think?
Romans 8:28
 

homwardbound

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No, he met on the first day.
seriously what difference is the day, I got saved on such and such day, and god is faithful right or wrong. I know to work out my own salvation in fear and trembling and that is well for anyone to do, until they realize that next verse and what it means in Philippians 2:13. for it is God that works it out in you, we can do nothing of ourselves except to make a mockery of God.
If a branch is not attached to the tree can it do works that are needed for life in Christ?

Philippians 2:13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[SUP]13 [/SUP]For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
 

homwardbound

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I worship God 7/24/365 but we also have to keep in mind that honoring the seventh day is also an act of worship just like not worshiping other gods is an act of worship.
And so it is as you see it, yet not all others see it as you do, and I trust God to tell m. you or anyone whether to go here or there.
Do you agree with that as Peter saw that God has no respect of persons, and really does just love us all. that it is this kindness of God that leads a man to repentance? and become a bond-servant to God in love and Mercy as is done for us in Christ's finished work for us to come to new life in Spirit and truth?
 
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Did you know the early church never went into a Barnes and Noble and bought a bible?

What does that have to do with serving God? Why do you resist Christ? Paul told us what Christ told him to, in that, the day we worship doesn't matter, as long as we worship God. Do you think Paul is lying? Do you think he wasn't tutored by Christ? You think we should just tear out the pages that Paul wrote?
Kindly provide the text where Paul has said this as I think you are just gargling here.
 

homwardbound

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How do you think God feels when you say amen to changing God's holy day to the Venerable Day of the Sun? Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath and it's not Sunday. How do you feel about that?
My dear friend Jesus is the Sabbath, the same as is the Law giver to Moses and today I worship at the feet of the Law giver, not Moses for Moses was just a servant of the most high. Christ Jesus with Father as one for us to one with them, you think here and now, is that possible?
I know we all are in unredeemed flesh, so why not die to this daily and prayerfully see the new life in Spirit and truth right here right now, and maybe by-pass the letter of the Law that steals, kills and destroys, and come to life in Spirit and truth where that is where God can only be worshiped

Philippians 3:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh

Philippians 3:10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Philippians 3:11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
 

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Kindly provide the text where Paul has said this as I think you are just gargling here.

let me help you out there --

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.

(Romans 14:5-6)

i think this is probably (in part) what phil is referring to. Paul also specifically said we shouldn't let anyone judge us over a Sabbath day (Collossians 2:16).

now to preempt a bit of argument, in Romans Paul was talking about meat, which was a point of contention, and used the example of a day to illustrate his point -- apparently to the gentile believers he was writing to, the subject of meat was not clear, but the subject of one day or another being more holy was clear to them, otherwise he wouldn't have used it as an example to clarify the point of food. so please don't cry to me "context context" -- i understand that.
& regarding his letter to Colossi - yes, he specifically used the word "Sabbath day" -- so he is not simply talking about some other festival, but also the very day that was given to Israel for a remembrance. so please, don't say "mistranslation mistranslation" either.

we serve God, not men, and what we do to honor Him should be to please Him, not to please others!

:)
 

homwardbound

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The Ten Commandments define love towards God and man. The first four teach us love towards God and the last six teach us love towards others. Anyone who has even a little Bible knowledge knows that if you start quoting the Ten Commandments all you have to do is quote a few and they know exactly what you're referring to. Jesus did the same thing a few times. So the Sabbath was defiantly in Paul's quote in Romans 13:9. We know this because he qualifies all ten by saying, "And if there be any other commandment". That being the Sabbath, not worshiping other gods, honoring your mother and father and so on.

Romans 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Check out this translation it might help to better understand what Paul was saying.

Romans 13:9 Living Bible (TLB) If you love your neighbor as much as you love yourself you will not want to harm or cheat him, or kill him or steal from him. And you won’t sin with his wife or want what is his, or do anything else the Ten Commandments say is wrong. All ten are wrapped up in this one, to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
Yep, truth and is summed up in Love God's type as in 1 Cor 13:4-7 Christ filled the stringency of the Law in stress to give us rest in appreciation not taking advantage of it, thank you. you have as I see created a Doctrine out of the Sabbath rest, and is putting others in stress, the same stress that I see you are in that if you do not do this or that God will not love me anymore?
Is this truth to you? If you don't then you will not be saved? Sounds like (if this is what you think) that your God is not a God of Mercy that leads one to love righteously trusting God our savior to teach us love to all, no matter what, except for those that are blatant. We still love them by stopping them from their blatant un-love to others, and we stand in the gap, with the risen Christ in the lead through us to overcome this evil. never to just stand by and do nothing in fear as when those planes went down on 9-11, one stood up and deferred that plane away from its original target, Amen to that beleiver
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IMHO, Nowhere in the definition, Deuteronomy 5:13-14, do I see the Sabbath defined as Saturday or Sunday. The day that the Israelites used was set in stone by the appearance of Manna during the period they wandered after leaving Egypt. Most modern calendars have maintained that date as the seventh day of the week.

Is it wrong for us to use a different day for the Sabbath? If it is the day after you have worked six days, nothing in the original definition says anything different. If you are set on using Saturday, please ensure that your six workdays start on Sunday. If your first workday is on Monday, and you choose Saturday, you are not keeping the commandment.
Hi Billyd. I have written a lot about the Sabbath issue. Do yourself a favour and go and read all my writings about this. I do not hold my punches. Your theory sounds logical but is not correct. The most realistic way of really knowing what is correct is to look at the Jews as they are first of all very traditional and will not break tradition. Secondly, Jesus Christ was born amongst them so they knew Jesus. Thirdly the Scribes etc checked on Jesus and His disciples to see what they are doing and questioned every doing of Jesus, not just about the Sabbath but other things like how He could forgive sin, why should the woman not sell the perfume and give it to the poor etc. So if the Jews are seriously holding at the Sabbath from the Friday night to Saturday night, you will find it to be correct. If you also know that the Roman Catholic Church claims that they hold the Sunday, the first day of the week, because of Jesus being resurrected on this day, then that that is definitely confirmation to anybody which is the correct Sabbath day. The choice then is yours, which day are you going to keep, will it be the Sunday, a man man institution or commandment, or the Sabbath, which is the only day that has been blessed and glorified by God. That is also the day that God refers to in the Ten Commandments, which is still valid today. All my statements given can be proven.
 

homwardbound

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When you're saved and in love with God you will look like someone who is keeping the Ten Commandments because the Ten Commandments define godly love. You can't say that you love God yet be worshiping other gods or profaning His name. In the same way, I can't say that I love my wife yet be cheating of her. Love is a neutral force that must be defined and controlled by God. Love can attach itself to ungody things just as easy as it can attach itself to godly things. God defines how He wants our love to be expressed. The Ten Commandments only define love, they don't produce love.
Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
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Homward, you have a great talent for taking God's word to say that God's word does not say what it says!! Besides, you can make it sound very holy and as if it is from God, Himself! That takes real talent.
 

homwardbound

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The foundation of true worship is obedience to His commandments. So I say, Amen! to worshiping Him everyday in that we obey Him day by day moment by moment and I say, Amen! to honoring the seventh day as being part of worshiping Him through obedience.
Sorry Friend, no flesh outside of Christ will or ever has pleased God Romans 6-8, especially 8
 
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The Christ said He's the Lord of Sabbath. He appointed Moses as His spokesperson in the past.
Some probably believe Moses messed up so much when it comes to remembering the Sabbath. Well, not only the Sabbath but also all His commandments which were supposed to be love.
However, I believe we are the ones who messed up.