Difference between God and Jesus

[josh123]

Josh if only you knew what you were saying...

i do bryan... look at this chapter i showed you this even proves it look at it carefully i will explain 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-14

do you see what this is saying THE WORD WAS WITH GODdo you see that bryan you have to read it carefully and slow them to see what it is actually saying and who WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US? And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

WHO WAS THE WORD BRYAN? THAT WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US? WHO WAS THE WORD THAT WAS WITH GOD SINCE THE BEGINNING do you see? IT'S JESUS

 

[Bryancampbell]

I don't disagree on the Word being Jesus, but what I'm saying the Word was with God and is God, so if God was with God what does that mean? Jesus and the Father were together in the beginning, but they are both God. One God being separate in person.

 

[josh123]

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is three correct? Under the divinity of one God right?
It's not the Father, the Father, and the Father is it?
But the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus prayed to the Father, that alone shows us the Father is not the Son, but they both are God.

If Jesus said the Father will send the Holy Spirit, are you denying that Jesus is no longer at the right hand of God?

Is not Jesus right now at the right hand of the Father? And if He is, then who is the Holy Spirit that dwells in us? It's God, but in a separate person.

why are you bringing false accusations that i'm denying that i'm saying jesus is no longer at the right hand of god? did i say that brian? all i'm trying to show you is that there is no trinity there it's not 3 in 1 it's one god and one mediator to us who is at the right hand of God Jesus christ 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; [h=3]1 Timothy 2:5[/h]
look at this prayer jesus made 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 17:11

do you see what he is talking about? or where he is pointing this too? look what happens when someone receives the baptism they become one with god the spirit lives the life in us, just like it did in in jesus christ, it's the same thing if anyone does any miracle they can't say that I did it they say HE WHO IS GREATER IN ME GOD DID IT not me do you see?

 

[NiceneCreed]

If Jesus was separate from God when he came to earth as you say and that when he went back to heaven they became 1 again why after Jesus died and was resurrected why does 1 Corinthians 11:3 say : "But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ;+ in turn the head of a woman is the man;+ in turn the head of the Christ is God.+" ?? .. Still showing when Jesus was not in hes MAN form and in heaven Jehovah and Jesus were still not equal.

Jehovah is God Almighty, and Jesus his Son. The two of them were not equal before Jesus came to the earth or during his earthly life; nor did Jesus become equal to his Father after being resurrected to heaven.

This is heresy.

 

[josh123]

I don't disagree on the Word being Jesus, but what I'm saying the Word was with God and is God, so if God was with God what does that mean? Jesus and the Father were together in the beginning, but they are both God. One God being separate in person.

Jesus is god but God is the Godhead and if you believe that the word is Jesus then where is the trinity... that itself prove it is 2 different beings

 

[Bryancampbell]

why are you bringing false accusations that i'm denying that i'm saying jesus is no longer at the right hand of god? did i say that brian? all i'm trying to show you is that there is no trinity there it's not 3 in 1 it's one god and one mediator to us who is at the right hand of God Jesus christ 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5


look at this prayer jesus made 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 17:11

do you see what he is talking about? or where he is pointing this too? look what happens when someone receives the baptism they become one with god the spirit lives the life in us, just like it did in in jesus christ, it's the same thing if anyone does any miracle they can't say that I did it they say HE WHO IS GREATER IN ME GOD DID IT not me do you see?

Brother Josh all I'm trying to show us there is a trinity, and your denial against it contradicts the word brother. If you say there is no trinity, then your saying Jesus is not at the right hand of the Father. For if Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, and the Spirit of God lives in you on earth, that shows the trinity, three persons operating different positions, rejecting the trinity is rejecting what you call an accusation brother which I'm not accusing but revealing. The Godhead is another word for Trinity lol

 

[josh123]

Brother Josh all I'm trying to show us there is a trinity, and your denial against it contradicts the word brother. If you say there is no trinity, then your saying Jesus is not at the right hand of the Father. For if Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, and the Spirit of God lives in you on earth, that shows the trinity, three persons operating different positions, rejecting the trinity is rejecting what you call an accusation brother which I'm not accusing but revealing.

this makes no sense the holy spirit is the spirit of god... and your just talking from what YOU believe and not even look at the word of god in that first chapter of john talks about the word that was with God and became flesh and how would jesus know to do the will of the father? by RECEIVING the HOLY SPIRIT from GOD to do the will of GOD

 

[josh123]

and what are you trying to say by this " If you say there is no trinity, then your saying Jesus is not at the right hand of the Father. "makes no sense brother it's only one God and one Mediator which is jesus makes no sense what your trying to tell me here For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, [h=3]1 Timothy 2:5[/h]

 

[Bryancampbell]

this makes no sense the holy spirit is the spirit of god... and your just talking from what YOU believe and not even look at the word of god in that first chapter of john talks about the word that was with God and became flesh and how would jesus know to do the will of the father? by RECEIVING the HOLY SPIRIT from GOD to do the will of GOD

Lol Josh I understand the Word in flesh is Jesus. I noticed you said you believed the Godhead, that's good enough. As long as you comprehend the Godhead rightly to the best you can, then it should line up. Because Godhead is just another word for Trinity brother...That's pretty much what Trinity is the Godhead, different spelling, same word definition.

 

[josh123]

Lol Josh I understand the Word in flesh is Jesus. I noticed you said you believed the Godhead, that's good enough. As long as you comprehend the Godhead rightly to the best you can, then it should line up. Because Godhead is just another word for Trinity brother...That's pretty much what Trinity is the Godhead, different spelling, same word definition.

.........God is the Godhead of Jesus, Jesus is God but God is the Godhead of Jesus stop trying to twist my words brother and i'm using the written word of God to prove what i'm saying your only sharing your beliefs.

 

[GreenNnice]

all i'm trying to show you is that there is no trinity there it's not 3 in 1 it's one god and one mediator to us who is at the right hand of God Jesus christ 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5

And, God is in us. So is Jesus and so is the Holy Spirit. But, yes, there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. The man is Jesus, He came to Earth to be a go-between. While were WERE enemies of God, God sent His Son because He Loved us and His Son became the propitiation for ALL our sins.

"I will send the Spirit of truth"(Holy Spirit, this is) for he lives with and will be in you" I (this is Jesus) am in my Father (God), and you are in me, and I am in you". John 14 : 17-18 and 20 parsed out)


One God, but THREE distinct persons God is in you. Jesus is in you, and, the Holy Spirit, indeed, too, is in you.

 

[Bryancampbell]

.........God is the Godhead of Jesus, Jesus is God but God is the Godhead of Jesus stop trying to twist my words brother and i'm using the written word of God to prove what i'm saying your only sharing your beliefs.

Define Godhead
Then define Trinity
I'll see if you got a misinterpretation of one of those words.

 

[josh123]

Define Godhead
Then define Trinity
I'll see if you got a misinterpretation of one of those words.

But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. [h=3]1 Corinthians 11:3[/h]

 

[josh123]

people refer to the trinity as 3 in one or 3 person but it is one God and one Jesus god manifested himself in Jesus through the holy spirit and he manifest himself in us through that same Holy Spirit

 

[Bryancampbell]

After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." - Matthew 3:16-17 NASB

We see here all three persons of the Godhead at the same time. Jesus came up out of the water, the Spirit is the dove, and the Father spoke from heaven. How can we deny the Trinity right there?

 

[Bryancampbell]

people refer to the trinity as 3 in one or 3 person but it is one God and one Jesus god manifested himself in Jesus through the holy spirit and he manifest himself in us through that same Holy Spirit

Yes God did manifest Himself in flesh, but did that stop the Father from still being in heaven? Though it is the same God, divinity, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and the Father are separate in persons because they have their own tasks but they all three are God one God. Jesus is God who is who the Spirit, but the title are separate.

 

[NiceneCreed]

The Holy Trinity is comprised of three distinct persons, but all are of the same substance. To deny the Son is to deny the Father.

 

[josh123]

After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." - Matthew 3:16-17 NASB

We see here all three persons of the Godhead at the same time. Jesus came up out of the water, the Spirit is the dove, and the Father spoke from heaven. How can we deny the Trinity right there?

The spirit of God came into Jesus to Dwell in Jesus He was God manifested in man, Notice it said the Spirit Of god came down, look at us bryan when we become born again and baptized with the holy spirit, when we become baptized with the holy spirit God Dwells in us and Speaks too and through us By the Holy spirit The spirit of God dwell in jesus to do what he came to do was the fullness of god in man

 

[Bryancampbell]

The spirit of God came into Jesus to Dwell in Jesus He was God manifested in man, Notice it said the Spirit Of god came down, look at us bryan when we become born again and baptized with the holy spirit, when we become baptized with the holy spirit God Dwells in us and Speaks too and through us By the Holy spirit The spirit of God dwell in jesus to do what he came to do was the fullness of god in man

Ah but it didn't say it went into Him did it? I thought the Spirit of God dwelled in Him from the virgin birth? Why would in this verse show another indwelling of the Spirit? That concludes that this verse isn't about the Spirit dwelling but lighting on Him like a dove sits on His shoulder. Again different aspect.

 

[Bryancampbell]

The spirit of God came into Jesus to Dwell in Jesus He was God manifested in man, Notice it said the Spirit Of god came down, look at us bryan when we become born again and baptized with the holy spirit, when we become baptized with the holy spirit God Dwells in us and Speaks too and through us By the Holy spirit The spirit of God dwell in jesus to do what he came to do was the fullness of god in man

The Spirit does dwells in us from baptism of the Spirit, but this is water baptism in the verse I pointed out. We are born again, and lead by the Holy Spirit, the same Spirit that was in Jesus...and as I said Jesus I meant Jesus (another person within the Trinity). Lol