Differences between Christian & Roman Catholic?

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Starcrash

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eternally-gratefull said:
Anyone who did not believe the catholic church was jailed, Killed or so severely persecuted no one would have openly admitted having a belief other than the church.

If you think this makes the catholic church the only true church, You do not know much about God.
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None of this is relevant. The protestant Christians of Salem, Massachusetts executed over 20 "witches", but does this make their religion false? Protestant Christians in the Southern US held slaves until it became illegal, but does this make their religion false? This is so illogical.

Besides, unless you reject the Old Testament, God commanded the Jews to do exactly all of those things to all non-Jews living in "their land". Jews killed anyone who didn't convert. "If you think this makes the Jewish religion the only true belief, You do not know much about God".
 
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Timeline said:
Well we all know that there were letters that were circulated and copied. No, not everyone had them, but they were there. Yes, I do believe that at some point the Catholic church destroyed many of them. Word of mouth would have been the way most people heard the word outside of the Catholic church.
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I would greatly love a citation, because I think you're basing this on nothing but wishful thinking.
 
Starcrash

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This is such a silly argument. Such stubborn refusal to accept fellow Christians just because they do things a little differently.

Let's do a thought experiment. If I told you that getting to the supermarket was as easy as driving to the market's location and circling the parking lot 3 times before parking, do you think you could get there? Of course you could. Yes, the parking lot circles would be unnecessary and inefficient, but the important step (driving to the market's location) is still part of the experience. This is like the Catholic Church -- you believe that they incorporate "works" into their salvation strategy, but it still includes believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. If you agree that belief is the requirement for salvation, then the extra stuff that their church adds doesn't take away their belief, it simply makes the path inefficient by adding unnecessary steps.
 
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Starcrash said:
This is such a silly argument. Such stubborn refusal to accept fellow Christians just because they do things a little differently.

Let's do a thought experiment. If I told you that getting to the supermarket was as easy as driving to the market's location and circling the parking lot 3 times before parking, do you think you could get there? Of course you could. Yes, the parking lot circles would be unnecessary and inefficient, but the important step (driving to the market's location) is still part of the experience. This is like the Catholic Church -- you believe that they incorporate "works" into their salvation strategy, but it still includes believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. If you agree that belief is the requirement for salvation, then the extra stuff that their church adds doesn't take away their belief, it simply makes the path inefficient by adding unnecessary steps.
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normally, I would accept that style of logic, but it is true that 'faith + works' actually does counter 'faith alone'.

If a person has their faith in their own works + Christ, then they are not actually fully trusting Christ for their salvation, but are depending on themselves. In-fact, it begins to rest entirely on themselves because their works become the only variable between heaven and hell.
 
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LT said:
normally, I would accept that style of logic, but it is true that 'faith + works' actually does counter 'faith alone'.

If a person has their faith in their own works + Christ, then they are not actually fully trusting Christ for their salvation, but are depending on themselves. In-fact, it begins to rest entirely on themselves because their works become the only variable between heaven and hell.
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I quoted scripture that clarified what was needed for salvation. It didn't say "faith alone", or even say "belief in the Lord Jesus Christ but do nothing else". There's no mention of "fully trusting" Christ, or even needing trust at all... only belief. And there's little doubt that Catholics believe in your God. In fact, so do Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons.

Because you are not a Catholic (and biased against them), you also added this idea that "their works become the only variable between heaven and hell". Do you honestly believe that Catholics would see works alone as a way to salvation without needing a belief in God?
 
Starcrash

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Speaking of not relying on "faith + works" but rather fully trusting God and needing "faith" alone, let's wait for God's reply. Surely you don't feel that your actions are needed to counter my arguments -- because you guys are "true" Christians, you only need faith that God will answer my posts. Taking action to write rebuttals would show a lack of faith and a dependence on works to get God's will done.
 
dcontroversal

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Just going by the title....the difference between biblical Christianity and Catholics is the difference between night and day, true and false, right and wrong, light and darkness, biblical and heretical

Just to name a few......
 
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I quoted scripture that clarified what was needed for salvation. It didn't say "faith alone", or even say "belief in the Lord Jesus Christ but do nothing else". There's no mention of "fully trusting" Christ, or even needing trust at all... only belief. And there's little doubt that Catholics believe in your God. In fact, so do Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons.

Because you are not a Catholic (and biased against them), you also added this idea that "their works become the only variable between heaven and hell". Do you honestly believe that Catholics would see works alone as a way to salvation without needing a belief in God?
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You know that I just defended Catholics in post #3 and #7.
Bias against Catholics is not the issue.

If God is dependable, then the only variable in salvation is either works (making man sovereign)
or election (making God sovereign).


The Bible states that the variable is election.

If we go any further into this topic, then we'll need to start a new thread (or move the convo to one of the many threads that are relative).
 
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Starcrash said:
Speaking of not relying on "faith + works" but rather fully trusting God and needing "faith" alone, let's wait for God's reply. Surely you don't feel that your actions are needed to counter my arguments -- because you guys are "true" Christians, you only need faith that God will answer my posts. Taking action to write rebuttals would show a lack of faith and a dependence on works to get God's will done.
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that's a very low blow, and not constructive.
inactivity is not what we are discussing.
 
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If you believe that Jesus truly was the Son of God, and that He died for your sins, and rose from the dead, then you are saved. If you are saved, then you are 'in Christ'.

the term 'Christian' means 'a person who is of Christ".
Just like an Egyptian is a person of Egypt.

Salvation is the key. The key to salvation is faith in Christ. Faith in Christ is believing that Jesus died for your sin, and rose from the dead.


Some Catholics are truly saved (some Evangelical Protestants would disagree with me there) and therefore a Roman Catholic can also be a Christian.
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Such catholics wont be able to completely join with all the rituals that catholics do.They will be eventually brought out of it by the Love of God by God Himself.
 
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Starcrash said:
None of this is relevant. The protestant Christians of Salem, Massachusetts executed over 20 "witches", but does this make their religion false? Protestant Christians in the Southern US held slaves until it became illegal, but does this make their religion false? This is so illogical.

Besides, unless you reject the Old Testament, God commanded the Jews to do exactly all of those things to all non-Jews living in "their land". Jews killed anyone who didn't convert. "If you think this makes the Jewish religion the only true belief, You do not know much about God".
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Just because someone goes by the name of Christian doesn't make them one. You don't consider Hitler a christian do you?
The Jews were directed by God to go to war with certain neighboring tribes as His arm of punishment, just as later God used neighboring tribes to punish Israel.
 
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Starcrash said:
None of this is relevant. The protestant Christians of Salem, Massachusetts executed over 20 "witches", but does this make their religion false? Protestant Christians in the Southern US held slaves until it became illegal, but does this make their religion false? This is so illogical.

Besides, unless you reject the Old Testament, God commanded the Jews to do exactly all of those things to all non-Jews living in "their land". Jews killed anyone who didn't convert. "If you think this makes the Jewish religion the only true belief, You do not know much about God".
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no real Christian can kill other people for the sake of Holiness..such protestants got chetaed by satan.
 
Timeline

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Starcrash said:
I would greatly love a citation, because I think you're basing this on nothing but wishful thinking.
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Well we have heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls, haven't we? Do we suppose these were original copies? - No they were not. They were copies. And I watched a documentary (for the Catholic Church) that said that many letters were considered heresy and were destroyed. Now having said that, I agree with the Catholic church that some of the letters were not legitimate as some people were manufacturing scriptures of there own. That is why the Council of Nicaea was held, which as I understand it formed the canon that is the bible we read today. Yes, it is ironic. We judge the Catholics by a canon that they approved (again, if I understand correctly, but I believe I do). However, we see the Catholic changing constantly and I do not believe the Catholic church of 325 AD is the Catholic church of 2014 AD.
 
Timeline

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Don't let Starcrash get at you, he is an atheist just pulling strings. This is not unfounded - He wrote it in one of his posts.
 
David_1

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GodsGirl368 said:
I'm soo confused. I hear "we are christian" "we are roman catholic" in the same Church and in school. What religion am I then? I'm so lost. Is there any difference at all?
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One worships Jesus as the Son of God, whereas the other one worships Jesus as the Son of God.
One believes Jesus is the way, the truth and the light, The other one believes: Jesus is the way, the truth and the light.
 
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A christians sole authority concerning salvation is Scripture whereas the Roman Church includes the Church and Church Tradition.
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The problem with a statement like this is,
How do you know what is part of the bible? It comes from 'The Church', and 'Church Tradition', therefore the foundation of your 'authority', is church tradition.
Can you see the logical problem in your statement?
 
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ji said:
no real Christian can kill other people for the sake of Holiness..such protestants got chetaed by satan.
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You mean 'real Christians' like Calvin?
 
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I know many "Roman Catholics" (this is the label that they wear) who are NOT Christians and I know many "Protestants" (the label that others wear) who are NOT Christians, however, I know many Roman Catholics and Protestants who ARE saved! They have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, believe that He died for their sins and was raised for their justification and been washed in His Blood, being members of the Body of Christ! Acts 2v21, Rom 1v17, 4v25, 10v7-9, 1Cor 12v27, Eph 1v7, 1John 1v7, Rev 1v5

Also, those of you who are quick to slag off Roman Catholics and say that they can't be saved and yet Roman Catholics, take heed to Rom 14v4

And lastly, take heed to yourselves that you discern correctly, BUT don't become sectarian bigots which to often are readily found on this forum! 1Cor 3v1-4, 1Thess 5v21

Yahweh Shalom...
 
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I really don't know what to think. I don't like the pope, I don't pray to saints BUT I go to Church to confess my sins to the priest & sometimes I pray to angel for protection. I wasn't raised in a religious family, I just knew they called us Roman Catholics. My confusion begun when I start seeing both Christian & Catholic as one and not different. We learned in school that Catholics are just a branch of Christianity.
 
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