different pay for the same job

[SparkleEyes]

OK - If all things were the same (education, number of years experience, etc......) or if it was strictly commission job, should a man be paid more that a woman for the same job in the same company?

If not, do you have any Biblical justification to support your viewpoint?

A Christian friend of mine said she was told by a VERY VERY conservative Christian who goes to the same church she goes to (my church too) that in this instance, a man should be paid more than a woman and that the Bible supports it. She doesn't remember what his argument was.

 

[maxwel]

I think that as an employer, anytime I can make up utterly ridiculous excuses to pay someone less, if they'll actually believe it, then hey, good for me!

: )

 

[Kerry]

A private business is just that Private and if you agree to work for a certain wage, then be happy with your covenant. But if you want the precursor to communism which is socialism then protest and sue the owner.

 

[dcontroversal]

OK - If all things were the same (education, number of years experience, etc......) or if it was strictly commission job, should a man be paid more that a woman for the same job in the same company?

If not, do you have any Biblical justification to support your viewpoint?

A Christian friend of mine said she was told by a VERY VERY conservative Christian who goes to the same church she goes to (my church too) that in this instance, a man should be paid more than a woman and that the Bible supports it. She doesn't remember what his argument was.

You know every time I read the bible I find something new, but I do not ever remember finding any scripture that teaches what is bolded in your statement....sounds like it will not pass the (smell test) and belongs in the barnyard!...

Having said that Jesus teaches a real good lesson on men hired throughout the day and the one who worked all day made the same as the one who came to work late..I remember complaining and Jesus taught that the one paying has the right to pay what he wants to pay and everyone should be happy for what they get.....

 

[crossnote]

It's scriptural for an employer to pay as agreed between both parties...

saying, 'These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.' But he replied to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
(Mat 20:12-13)

 

[Radius]

OP if a man and a woman both worked in a warehouse lifting heavy objects, and both had the same job description, and the man lifted more and was more productive, do you think the woman should be paid the same?

 

[Kerry]

It's scriptural for an employer to pay as agreed between both parties...

saying, 'These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.' But he replied to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
(Mat 20:12-13)

Look it, it is what they agreed upon. There covenant and not equal pay for everyone. This is to show that those who work for the Lord in the last day receive the same reward as those who worked for the Lord in the start.

Paul, told the soldiers, you wished to be a soldier then be happy with your pay.

 

[dcontroversal]

It's scriptural for an employer to pay as agreed between both parties...

saying, 'These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.' But he replied to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
(Mat 20:12-13)

Your right...correction on my part....


Having said that Jesus teaches a real good lesson on men hired throughout the day and the one who worked all day made the same as the one who came to work late...I remember complaining and Jesus taught that the one paying has the right to pay what he wants/agrees to pay and everyone should be happy for what they get or what they agree to work for.....

 

[Angela53510]

So if all the jobs available offer women less for doing exactly the same job, and women often have the same productivity or even more than the man? Do some men still think women should be paid less, just because there are no jobs available that have any equity?

What if that women was deserted by her husband, and has children to feed? What if that woman never married, and has to support herself and has no choice about getting a job.

I'm so glad I live in a socialist country, where equal work for equal pay is enshrined in the law.

It devalues women as people to pay them less for the same job.

"Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”[SUP]27 [/SUP]So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them." Genesis 1:26-27.


The word often translated "man" actually means humanity, or mankind as this version. It includes both genders. Notice how God gives both the man and the woman rulership over creation? A big job, and one for which they got equal pay for equal work. Meaning that God provided equally for both of them.

 

[skipp]

Your right...correction on my part....


Having said that Jesus teaches a real good lesson on men hired throughout the day and the one who worked all day made the same as the one who came to work late...I remember complaining and Jesus taught that the one paying has the right to pay what he wants/agrees to pay and everyone should be happy for what they get or what they agree to work for.....

But that's a parable about salvation, not a blueprint on running an earthly business.

I'm not sure how anyone could describe paying women less than men for the same work as biblical. If you are a Christian business owner and put this belief into practice then what would be your justification on doing so?

 

[maxwel]

I think that as an employer, anytime I can make up utterly ridiculous excuses to pay someone less, if they'll actually believe it, then hey, good for me!

: )

And for the record, I was just being sarcastic.

I think women should get equal pay with men...
as long as they can still get home and do the cooking, cleaning, laundry, run household errands, tend to the kids, pay the bills, get their hair done, and get all dolled up in something fancy... before the man gets home from work.

: )

 

[Jda016]

OP if a man and a woman both worked in a warehouse lifting heavy objects, and both had the same job description, and the man lifted more and was more productive, do you think the woman should be paid the same?

Should a man who is more muscular than another man be paid more in the same warehouse job, because he can lift more?

Should one programmer be paid more than another, because his IQ is higher?

I understand where you are coming from, but women and men should be paid equal.

also if I was that man in the warehouse job, I would WANT the woman who is my coworker to get paid the same as me, not less, even though I can lift more than her. That is loving your neighbor as yourself.

 

[msgomez1000]

NO! equal pay.

 

[SparkleEyes]

OP if a man and a woman both worked in a warehouse lifting heavy objects, and both had the same job description, and the man lifted more and was more productive, do you think the woman should be paid the same?

If that was the agreement at the beginning of the term of employment AND anyone (even a man who could lift less than another man) employed in that capacity would be paid by that criteria.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I would say a woman worker deserves the same wage as a male worker for the same task and see nothing against it.

My only question is; how is this an issue in America? I thought President Obama's Lilly Ledbetter Act was supposed to have ended gender based wage discrimination if not President LBJ's Civil Rights Act (LL Act amends the Civil Rights Act). This would lead me to think the problem moreso in the jungle gym of business laws and loopholes plus bad business ethics on the part of some businesses leadership circles for which there is not too much the US government can intervene upon.

 

[Kerry]

I say if you need a job you work for the agreed amount. Let God take care of the rest. Government has no business in private business. I meant, if some one down the street is paying more for the same job. Then go work for them.

I meant, why would you take a job at burger palace for 7.50 when burger town is paying 8.50.

 

[dcontroversal]

But that's a parable about salvation, not a blueprint on running an earthly business.

I'm not sure how anyone could describe paying women less than men for the same work as biblical. If you are a Christian business owner and put this belief into practice then what would be your justification on doing so?

My original post here so read and then understand that I did not promote nor do I promote higher pay for anyone based upon gender.....

Re: different pay for the same job

Originally Posted by SparkleEyes

OK - If all things were the same (education, number of years experience, etc......) or if it was strictly commission job, should a man be paid more that a woman for the same job in the same company?

If not, do you have any Biblical justification to support your viewpoint?

A Christian friend of mine said she was told by a VERY VERY conservative Christian who goes to the same church she goes to (my church too) that in this instance, a man should be paid more than a woman and that the Bible supports it. She doesn't remember what his argument was.

MY POST

You know every time I read the bible I find something new, but I do not ever remember finding any scripture that teaches what is bolded in your statement....sounds like it will not pass the (smell test) and belongs in the barnyard!...

Having said that Jesus teaches a real good lesson on men hired throughout the day and the one who worked all day made the same as the one who came to work late..I remember complaining and Jesus taught that the one paying has the right to pay what he wants to pay and everyone should be happy for what they get.....​

 

[okeyxyz]

OK - If all things were the same (education, number of years experience, etc......) or if it was strictly commission job, should a man be paid more that a woman for the same job in the same company?

If not, do you have any Biblical justification to support your viewpoint?

A Christian friend of mine said she was told by a VERY VERY conservative Christian who goes to the same church she goes to (my church too) that in this instance, a man should be paid more than a woman and that the Bible supports it. She doesn't remember what his argument was.

Paying men and women differently in a place of work has no bearing on the christian doctrine whatsoever. These are skills/professional matters, not spiritual doctrine. If a man and woman both have the same qualifications or experience and same job roles and under the same contract, then they should be paid the same amounts. That is different from spiritual roles where a man is elevated above the woman. These are two different fields, they have nothing in common, they do not overlap in any way. One is secular and the other is spiritual/doctrinal. To enforce spiritual doctrine on secular environments is against doctrine. One is simply "denying ceasar what is due to ceasar and rendering to God what is not due to God" (Mark 12:17)