Discuss Genesis 1

[Bookends]

Note that it verse 1 says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", and it doesn't say "there was evening and morning, one day", right after this phrase. It was man who add the verse and chapters in the Bible (I'm not saying that was a bad thing). I am suggesting that this phrase can stand alone, and the next sentence "The earth was shapeless and void" is the beginning of God recreating the Earth for His image to be glorified through His creation, which already preexisted.

 

[Tintin]

Please continue, I'm no sure what you're trying to say.

 

[Bookends]

I am saying that the earth most likely isn't 6000 yrs old, but was a recreation 6000 years ago (this is of course my theory). Good scientific evidences also suggests this, especially if you study the universe by observing star life and star light etc. The Bible says we can gain insight and revelation of God by observing His creation. We can calculate the life of a star and observe the death of stars, supernova, this to me would indicate the universe is old by human standards. However, I admit my theory breaks down when we calculate the age of our sun, because if our sun is what they say it is 4.6 billion years old, about at it's half life, then I have to stick another gap of billions of years between fourth and fifth day of the creation account. If our sun is not 4.6 years old and is only 6000 years old along with the rest of the universe, then God created a universe that is in now still young, with the appearance or deception of age. But, I don't believe God is in the business of deceiving us.

I don't hold to a six literal day creation event, but I don't deny that God didn't or couldn't do it this way. So guess I would suggest that a day in Genesis is not meant to give us a literal 24 hour day, but a chronological order written in a poetic form to help us remember the whole account.

 

[PS]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

Then God said, "Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so. God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth; and it was so. God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens." God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good. God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so. God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Hello Rachel. The Hebrew word 'yom' or 'yome' means a period of time, it has been translated as 'day' but it can mean era. If you check out the six main geological era you will find a large measure of agreement between the Bible and science. Check out the link below

Creation.pdf -- 57k

Best wishes PS

 

[Bookends]

Psalm 19:1-6, "The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, And rejoices like a strong man to run its race. Its rising is from one end of heaven, And its circuit to the other end; And there is nothing hidden from its heat."

 

[biblehelpsme]

At one time I believed the theory that God set life into motion through a big bang. Examining the Genesis account shows that God had a hand in each creative day of the earth. After each creative day he saw it was good.

Although the Bible is not a Science textbook, when it touches on matters of science, true science is in agreement.
The Genesis account lists 10 major stages in this order:
(1)*a beginning;
(2)*a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water;
(3)*light;
(4)*an expanse or atmosphere;
(5)*large areas of dry land;
(6)*land plants;
(7)*sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning;
(8)*sea monsters and flying creatures;
(9)*wild and tame beasts, mammals;
(10) man.
For Moses to of just happened to list the foregoing events in the right order (1 in over three and a half million) without getting the facts from our Creator is not realistic.

At Genesis 1:27 we see that they were created in God"s image, so they had the capacity to demonstrate to some degree the godly qualities of wisdom, loyal love, justice, and goodness. If they would have continued reflecting these qualities it would have help them to make decisions that would benefit them and bring pleasure to their heavenly Creator.

Genesis 1:31 ends the chapter ever so touching, "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good"

 

[See_KING_Truth]

what was the source of the light on day one since the sun did not yet exist? did God create a special source of light just for the first three days? or was it a diffuse light without any specific source? i know of a few creation scientists who have theorized that God transformed the original created waters into the various elements needed to make everything else by nuclear fusion...and that the light came from the energy produced by the fusion reactions...

I have pondered on this also and can only assume that Jesus is the light spoken of.

did God ever intend for humans to eat fungi such as mushrooms? they are not green plants and they do not produce seeds...unless God considered spores to be a kind of seed... also a disproportionate number of fungi are poisonous...were they just corrupted especially badly by the fall or were they never for human consumption in the first place?

I heard a pastor say that mushrooms are unclean because they do not come from a seed. I think it is highly possible that God considers spores seed, but I just don't know for sure.

 

[johnluke]

i am going to post my observations on the chapter in a few separate posts...first i will address the literal or physical facts of the text...

in the first verse 'the beginning' is given without qualification...not as 'the beginning of the world' or 'the beginning of creation'...it is just called 'the beginning'...which to me shows that this is the ultimate beginning of time itself...

the plural 'heavens' shows that God created all of the heavens in this time period...not just the sky and outer space...but the spiritual 'third heaven' that paul referred to also...

God made the raw materials for his creation in a disorganized fashion at first...it was just a dark fluid blob...either pure water or a suspension of the other chemical elements in water...

when God made light on day one it seems safe to assume that God also made the laws of nature that govern light and how it travels... since the same physical equations also establish the existence of electricity and heat and magnetism and radio waves and gamma rays and so on...it is likely that God also created these things at that time...

sometimes i hear the question of why God allowed darkness to continue to exist after he created light...but nowdays we know that most animals require a regular period of unconscious rest...and the dark conditions of nighttime are the most appropriate for sleep...

the hebrew word for the expanse of heaven created on day two implies an act of stretching out or expanding...there is scientific evidence that the universe is expanding...so this verse may help to explain why it is happening...

many creation scientists believe that the waters above the expanse created on day two refer to a canopy of water or water vapor surrounding the earth in the time before the flood... while that is not the only interpretation of the waters above the expanse i think it is the most natural one...and it could explain other mysteries like why people lived so long back then...since a water canopy could block out harmful radiation coming from the sun and outer space...

the gathering of the waters into one place on day three implies that God had created a single world ocean...and so it follows that there was also a single supercontinent containing all of the land mass on earth at that time... many creation scientists believe that this original supercontinent corresponds to the prehistoric supercontinents of either pangaea or rodinia that have been postulated in secular geology...

the description of the plants as producing fruit and seeds after their kind on day three is a biblical refutation of the secular theory of macroevolution...creatures cannot reproduce outside of their original created kinds... many creation scientists have consequently identified the biblical kind as something higher than the level of species in scientific taxonomy...species that can interbreed...such as lions and tigers...were originally part of a single created kind...such as the cat kind... this makes it possible that certain animal species that we see today did not exist as independent species in the original creation...instead they appeared over time as the original kind diversified...but it also excludes any possibility of new kinds arising on their own... the field of study that attempts to address these issues is called baraminology...after the hebrew 'bara min' which means 'created kind'

on day four God made the lights that appear in the sky...sun and moon and stars and presumably also the planets... the purpose of the stars and planets were to give light to the earth and to serve as timekeepers... one rotation of the earth from sunset to sunset makes a day...one orbit of the moon around the earth is a month...and one revolution of the earth around the sun makes a year...and all of these astronomical motions are easily observable and useful for computing calendars so that we know when to plant and harvest and so on... the stated biblical purposes of the celestial bodies also casts doubt on the common argument that the vast numbers of stars and planets virtually requires the existence of extraterrestrial life...from a biblical perspective extraterrestrial life is possible...but God did not create the celestial bodies for the purpose of supporting life so it is just as likely that they have none...

it is interesting that the bible does not refer to the sun and moon by name in this chapter...it just calls them the greater and lesser lights...possibly this was intended as a direct contradiction of ancient middle eastern pagan idolatry where the sun and moon were worshipped as deities under their names in the various semitic languages...

when the aquatic animals and birds were created on the fifth day...the sentence structure of the original hebrew makes it more clear that both the aquatic and flying creatures were made from the water... evidently the extinct aquatic creatures such as plesiosaurs and trilobites were created on this day also... given their classification in other places in the bible it is also likely that bats were created on this day...and i would suspect that the extinct flying creatures like the pterosaurs were also made on day five...

on day five we have a repetition of the principle that creatures reproduce only after their kinds...another denial of the concept of evolution from a common ancestor...

on day six God first creates the land animals under three different categories...the cattle are the animals that are easily domesticated such as cows and horses and sheep and goats...the creeping things are animals such as insects and reptiles and amphibians...the beasts of the earth are all of the wild animals that are not easily domesticated such as lions and elephants and giraffes...and presumably also dinosaurs and other extinct land animals... the classification of flying insects elsewhere in the bible suggests that they were created on day six along with the other creeping things...instead of on day five with the birds...

in the account of the creation of the land animals we have a third repetition of the principle of creatures reproducing only after their kinds...and a third refutation of evolutionism...

i think that the creation of human beings in the image and likeness of God on day six refers to the fact that we are spiritual beings in physical bodies...just as God is a spiritual being...though without a physical body until the birth of jesus... i think it also means that human intellect and emotions and will were all originally in harmony with God...they knew what pleases God...they themselves were pleased by the things that please God...and they wanted to do the things that please God...

God gave the humans dominion over all of the other creatures on earth...i will write more about this in another post...but for now i will just say that it seems that in God's original creation the animals were naturally subservient to humanity...in a way that most wild animals today no longer are...

the two phrases 'in the image of God he created -him-; male and female he created -them-' to me implies that the man was created first...and joined by the woman afterwards...which hints ahead at the more detailed account of the creation of adam and eve in the next chapter...

in describing the special and separate creation of humans in the image of God the bible also refutes the secular notion of the evolution of humans from apelike ancestors...

when God gives the humans every green and seed bearing plant for food...this shows that the entire plant kingdom was originally edible...there were no poisonous or harmful plants like there are today...

it also shows that both humans and animals were originally vegetarian... when looking at sharp teeth such as the teeth of tyrannosaurus rex in the fossil record...it is important to remember that sharp and serrated edges are also perfect for cutting through plant matter...just look at a pair of hedge clippers...

finally at the end of day six God examines his creation and declares that it is all very good...this proves that the original creation was perfect...without death or pain or hardship... the evolutionary notion that all species appeared as a result of long ages of death and natural selection by 'survival of the fittest' is wrong... natural selection operates today...but it did not play a role in God's original creation...

Genesis 1 and 2 are the most important chapters in the whole Bible. Genesis 1:26 is the most important scripture in the whole bible.
vs 3-5 God created light. Not metaphoric, no illusion. It really happened and is understandable.
vs 6-8 God created the firmament. Not metaphoric, no illusion. It really happened and is understandable.
vs 9-13 God created plant life. Not metophoric, no illusion. It really happened and is understandable.
vs 14-19 God created the lights in the firmament. Not metaphoric, no illusion. It really happened and is undertandable.
vs 20-25 God created animal life. Not metaphoric, no illusion. It really happened and is understandable.

VS 26 God said Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Again, not metaphoric, no illusion. It really happened and is understandable. IF GOD MADE MAN IN HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS, THEN GOD IS IN MANS IMAGE AND LIKENESS. So what does God look like? What is his image? Because man has a head and a torso, and arms and legs and hands and feet, then according to Genesis 1:26 so does God, who made man in His image. What is meant by "after our likeness". Since man's body is made of flesh and bone and spirit, and it is in the likeness of God, then God's body is a body of flesh and bone and spirit. The prototype of man's body is God's body. This truely is not a metaphore. It is the unveiling of God himself. Genesis 1:26 is the most important scripture in the Bible because God reveals to us in no uncertain terms what He looks like and is made of. Down through the centuries, somehow the Israelites completely lost this concept and the Greek philosophers created a God in their metaphysical, mystical image and so God sent His Son to Earth, and one of the most important things that Jesus did was reveal what the Father really looks like and what He is really made of again. That is why in Hebrews it says that Jesus is in the exact image of the Father. When Phillip asked Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus said, have I been with you this long and you ask me to show you the Father. If you see me, you see the Father. Not because he was the Father, but because he was the exact duplicate of the Father. Jesus was made in the image and likeness of God too. But his features were almost an exact image of God because God was his literal Father in the flesh, Mary was his mother. When Jesus was resurrected, he went to heaven and is sitting on the right hand of God. What kind of a body does he have? He has an eternal, glorious, resurrected body of flesh and bone and spirit (see Luke 24). He is sitting on the right hand of God who also has an immortal, glorious, body of flesh and bone and spirit. Like Father, like Son. It is very simple and Genesis 1:26 makes it possible to believe.

So thank you for helping us revisit Genesis and read with wonder the creation of all, but the crowning creation was man, made in the image of God and made like God.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Oh goodness, no no, the whole reason for this post was not for scientific reasons, but uh, well uh, and uhm God didn't have a fleshly body until made flesh, remember 1 John 5:7-8
King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

so yeh, and also i've found something interesting; Guess who was also there from the beginning!!!?

Pro 8-3112 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.

16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.

19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.

20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:

21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

Then God said, "Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so. God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth; and it was so. God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens." God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good. God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so. God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Anyone else notice that Genesis 1:7 I think says

" let US make man in OUR image."

Who's God talking about here? Only God can create, so he's obviously creating with someone else who can create...and used that being's image...?

Genesis is also extreme prophetical in meaning - the " waters " in one of the verses is talking about peoples and nations which the bible often describes like the sea. A good examples is in Rev's where it talks about the dragon ( devil) standing on the shore of the sea - this isn't a physical dragon lol, so it's talking about the devil dwelling with the people at this specified time.

I'm still studying it, but Genesis...oh man there's a lot more to it than just world creation. The book of Job actually covers a lot more in detail about God creating the world, stuff about the core of the earth, clouds, etc all that neat natural stuff if your curious

 

[PS]

Anyone else notice that Genesis 1:7 I think says

" let US make man in OUR image."

Who's God talking about here? Only God can create, so he's obviously creating with someone else who can create...and used that being's image...?

Genesis is also extreme prophetical in meaning - the " waters " in one of the verses is talking about peoples and nations which the bible often describes like the sea. A good examples is in Rev's where it talks about the dragon ( devil) standing on the shore of the sea - this isn't a physical dragon lol, so it's talking about the devil dwelling with the people at this specified time.

I'm still studying it, but Genesis...oh man there's a lot more to it than just world creation. The book of Job actually covers a lot more in detail about God creating the world, stuff about the core of the earth, clouds, etc all that neat natural stuff if your curious

The words US and OUR speak of the Trinity.

Colossians 1:15 says "Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the head over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth.”

John 1:3 speaking about Jesus says "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

The words US and OUR speak of the Trinity.

Colossians 1:15 says "Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the head over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth.”

John 1:3 speaking about Jesus says "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

The trinity is one God though. And there are not 3 images of mankind there are only 2 - male and female.

There's something sketchy about that line lol.

Besides, that verse from Colossians says Jesus was God practically, so that the people who he was preaching to knew that Jesus was indeed God.

The trinity are titles of God anyway, all underneath one God. To say there are three at work here, is to say there are three Gods, and if that be the case, then why are there only two physical images of people?

It just doesn't make sense that God would be saying let us as in not really us but myself create man in our but not really our but only my one image.

 

[PS]

The trinity is one God though. And there are not 3 images of mankind there are only 2 - male and female.

There's something sketchy about that line lol.

Besides, that verse from Colossians says Jesus was God practically, so that the people who he was preaching to knew that Jesus was indeed God.

The trinity are titles of God anyway, all underneath one God. To say there are three at work here, is to say there are three Gods, and if that be the case, then why are there only two physical images of people?

It just doesn't make sense that God would be saying let us as in not really us but myself create man in our but not really our but only my one image.

Yes, there is only one God the same as one apple is body, core, and pips, or we are body, soul and spirit.
Do you ever talk to yourself, but you aren't three people are you.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

well please do go back up and read the 1 john 5:7-8 from my previous post please, this shows you the trinity, there are three persons, Father (Godhead), Son (came to do the Father's will), Holy Ghost (Does not speak of himself, but what he hears he speaks).
oh and also i made a typo, the verses were
Proverbs 8:12-31

 

[PS]

well please do go back up and read the 1 john 5:7-8 from my previous post please, this shows you the trinity, there are three persons, Father (Godhead), Son (came to do the Father's will), Holy Ghost (Does not speak of himself, but what he hears he speaks).
oh and also i made a typo, the verses were
Proverbs 8:12-31

This is what my commentary says about Proverbs 8:1-36

This is in praise of divine wisdom which is spoken of in the feminine. Christ who is the Wisdom of God speaks to men.

Right knowledge or wisdom of the divine will concerning us is to be preferred above all the wealth of this world, for it brings favour with God, and eternal life.

Strong Verses: Pro_8:35, Pro_8:36.

Striking Facts: Pro_8:22.

Wisdom here is the distinct representation of Christ. John 1:1-3; Col 1:17. (Coincidently these are the two scriptures I quoted. )

Just to add my own thought which is that we are seeing the trinity here in this passage from Proverbs. We have God, Christ and the Holy Spirit who is wisdom and all three appear to be One.

 

[johnluke]

Anyone else notice that Genesis 1:7 I think says

" let US make man in OUR image."

Who's God talking about here? Only God can create, so he's obviously creating with someone else who can create...and used that being's image...?

Genesis is also extreme prophetical in meaning - the " waters " in one of the verses is talking about peoples and nations which the bible often describes like the sea. A good examples is in Rev's where it talks about the dragon ( devil) standing on the shore of the sea - this isn't a physical dragon lol, so it's talking about the devil dwelling with the people at this specified time.

I'm still studying it, but Genesis...oh man there's a lot more to it than just world creation. The book of Job actually covers a lot more in detail about God creating the world, stuff about the core of the earth, clouds, etc all that neat natural stuff if your curious

When you say "and used that being's image" are you asking a question or making a statement? If you are making a statement, you have twisted the scripture. God said "Let US (God the Father, and God the Son) make man in OUR image (not in YOUR, the other beings image). God did not create and make man in another being's image. You also forget the important verbage "after OUR likeness" meaning that man was created in the likeness of God, and that means God is in the likeness of man. You see Genesis 1:26 reveals the true Father, but it also puts a burden on us because both Greek and later Christian scholars and doctors of religion in their finite minds made God to be a God without body, parts, or passions, and twisted the scripture. To them, He is an eternal mist of some unknown essence. It was not always that way. Genesis 1:26 is straight forward and innocent in its statement. Let us make man in our image and after our likeness. How simple and sublime. Except the world as a whole can't picture God as being an eternal glorified man, but he is! He not only told Moses, but he showed Moses as he spoke with him face to face as a man speaketh to his friends.
Now all we have to do is believe and marvel at the thought of such a grand statement.

 

[johnluke]

Oh goodness, no no, the whole reason for this post was not for scientific reasons, but uh, well uh, and uhm God didn't have a fleshly body until made flesh, remember 1 John 5:7-8
King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

so yeh, and also i've found something interesting; Guess who was also there from the beginning!!!?

Pro 8-3112 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.

16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.

19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.

20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:

21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

MaranathaSoonQuick,

Were you aware that 1 John 5:7-8 is considered an addition to the Bible, maybe centuries after the Book of 1 John was written. This scripture was not included in the earliest manuscripts that have been found by scholars, but was included in later manuscripts. The thought is that a Trinitarian-minded scribe got a little carried away and added these 2 verses to the Holy scriptures to help support the idea that the Trinity was "one". Not good to add or subtract from the Bible. So I would not use these verses to establish support fot the Trinity.

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

Yes, there is only one God the same as one apple is body, core, and pips, or we are body, soul and spirit.
Do you ever talk to yourself, but you aren't three people are you.

My point exactly. So these three things are not images of God, but rather titles of him with a purpose behind them. Each does it's own thing like the different function of the apple you gave as an example.

So then why is it plural here? The Trinity is not 3 separate images as no one has seen the true face of any of these elements...

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

When you say "and used that being's image" are you asking a question or making a statement? If you are making a statement, you have twisted the scripture. God said "Let US (God the Father, and God the Son) make man in OUR image (not in YOUR, the other beings image). God did not create and make man in another being's image. You also forget the important verbage "after OUR likeness" meaning that man was created in the likeness of God, and that means God is in the likeness of man. You see Genesis 1:26 reveals the true Father, but it also puts a burden on us because both Greek and later Christian scholars and doctors of religion in their finite minds made God to be a God without body, parts, or passions, and twisted the scripture. To them, He is an eternal mist of some unknown essence. It was not always that way. Genesis 1:26 is straight forward and innocent in its statement. Let us make man in our image and after our likeness. How simple and sublime. Except the world as a whole can't picture God as being an eternal glorified man, but he is! He not only told Moses, but he showed Moses as he spoke with him face to face as a man speaketh to his friends.
Now all we have to do is believe and marvel at the thought of such a grand statement.

Twisted what?

The verse clearly reference two Gods, and two images of man are developed; Male and Female image.

Adam and Eve were BOTH in the likeness and image of God - curious that God could have created any image and instead made these two. The trinity does not make sense here, because mankind only took on two images, not three, and the trinity is only one image and that is God himself.

The Father / Son / and Holy Spirit are all the same one God - so why do people interpret this as 3 separate images when they all come together under one image essentially?

This verse speaks in plural form; meaning more than one God is creating here and with two images of man being made, that of Adam and that of Eve - I would say that there may be a female form of God.

The bible talks of a " bride " figure in the bible and most interestingly is the mention of a " mother " in revelations in reference to the prosititute on the beast who is titled the " mother of all prostitutes." In Proverbs, Solomon speaks of a woman named " wisdom," which is strange because wisdom is an entity of knowledge. It also keeps saying " do not forsake your mother's teachings."

There are other situations of this use of " Us and Our" in regard to God doing things with some other seemingly same force.

What's even more pecuiliar is that God is usually spoken of in a singular form, yet suddenly he speaks in a plural form? What was the point of that?

Another thing, is that Jesus was God in the flesh, and thus in Genesis wasn't even conceived yet or had manifested in anyway. This is but a title God took on, not a physical other being who created with him.

I've always wondered about a female God head; what's even more pressing is that God's title as Father logically incorporates a mother figure, and the God's people title is sometimes " the children" which also incorporates a missing element - a mother figure.

People have taken Mary as the Mother of God - but obviously this is false spiritually.

What if God does have a female spiritual partner?

Women in the bible are briefly singled out here and there - but usually when verses say, " all men have fallen short to the glory of God," it isn't just talking about physical men, because women have also fallen short of the glory of God.

Women are inherently incorporated with men; even when the bible talks of " the man who sinned," referencing Adam, Adam was not the only one who sinned in Eden; his wife did as well.

Plus God goes ahead and speaks on the union of body between man and woman when they are together...how they become one flesh...one unit of being.

Idk.

Is a female God head really that far fetched? Or are women not as worthy as men to have their own image in God as Adam did?

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

MaranathaSoonQuick,

Were you aware that 1 John 5:7-8 is considered an addition to the Bible, maybe centuries after the Book of 1 John was written. This scripture was not included in the earliest manuscripts that have been found by scholars, but was included in later manuscripts. The thought is that a Trinitarian-minded scribe got a little carried away and added these 2 verses to the Holy scriptures to help support the idea that the Trinity was "one". Not good to add or subtract from the Bible. So I would not use these verses to establish support fot the Trinity.

hmm, yes, well, i wouldn't take away either, and how would i know that this scholar found an older version of the manuscripts. it's in my bible and there it stays, i'm sick of hearing of omitted verses when the bible it's self exclaims that it is perfect as is. i hear others say the manuscripts were too ripped up to read so they just rewrote them, i also heard that certain versions like the niv omit verses, i also heard the kjv doesn't really have the best translation, i hear it often and if all this is true why do we even read the bible.