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Ariel82

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Hmm, yeh, but there are also a number of angelic encounters in Acts that I've wondered about over the years.
Really?

I remember angels announcing the birth of Jesus and one time with angels ascending and descending from heaven...but don't remember too many references to angels outside Revelation in the New Testament after Jesus Ascension into heaven...will have to re-read the book of Acts.
 
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Ariel82

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Acts 1
10And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
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Are they angels or the two witnesses spoken of in Revelation of the two who appeared to Jesus on the mountain top?
 
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Ariel82

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Acts 6
8And Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people.
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.” 15And gazing at him, all who sat in the council saw that his face was like the face of an angel.
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Wonder how Stephen's face was like that of an angel?
 
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Ariel82

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The fire was an angel?

Acts 7
30“Now when forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush. 31When Moses saw it, he was amazed at the sight,
 
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Ariel82

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Acts 10
3About the ninth hour of the daya he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God come in and say to him, “Cornelius.” 4And he stared at him in terror and said, “What is it, Lord?” And he said to him, “Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God. 5And now send men to Joppa and bring one Simon who is called Peter. 6He is lodging with one Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea.” 7When the angel who spoke to him had departed,
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Wow I never noticed this one before..,
 

Blain

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I have only had one angelic encounter and in this instance he was messenger.
 
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Ariel82

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Acts 12
6Now when Herod was about to bring him out, on that very night, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and sentries before the door were guarding the prison. 7And behold, an angel of the Lord stood next to him, and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side and woke him, saying, “Get up quickly.” And the chains fell off his hands. 8And the angel said to him, “Dress yourself and put on your sandals.” And he did so. And he said to him, “Wrap your cloak around you and follow me.” 9And he went out and followed him. He did not know that what was being done by the angel was real, but thought he was seeing a vision. 10When they had passed the first and the second guard, they came to the iron gate leading into the city. It opened for them of its own accord, and they went out and went along one street, and immediately the angel left him. 11When Peter came to himself, he said, “Now I am sure that the Lord has sent his angel and rescued me from the hand of Herod and from all that the Jewish people were expecting.”
 
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Ariel82

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I always hope to have the kind of faith that says....Even if God doesn't save me, I will still not worship your idols..

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Daniel 3
16Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego answered and said to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. 17If this be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king.d 18But if not, be it known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the golden image that you have set up.”

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22Because the king’s order was urgent and the furnace overheated, the flame of the fire killed those men who took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. 23And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell bound into the burning fiery furnace.

24Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished and rose up in haste. He declared to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the fire?” They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.” 25He answered and said, “But I see four men unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”
 
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Is the soul and spirit the same thing or Is the soul a part of the body?
I would offer our soul is made alive by the workings of our new spirit we are given at our new birth that will never die. The soul is the line of a living communication with God and the creature. It provides a living hope not of our own self. The soul or the communication between God and man is that which died in the garden.

One of keys is how we compare the spirit of the word (not the letter) .. to the spirit . or faith as that (not seen) to the same spirit of faith. In doing so that work of God provides the gospel hid from men which I believe is the purpose he set aside his spiritual understanding in parables…. they give the spiritual understanding.. In the end of the matter the man without that new born again spirit cannot understand the things of the Spirit of Christ, their soul is dead or line of communication is dead. Therefore they have no living hope and die without one.

A good understanding as to the difference between of the things of God and those of men is essential .It is at that point the antichrists can deceive the believer and offend God

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are "spiritually" discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
 
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Ariel82

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If we talk about angels we should also talk about evil spirits that are in fortunetellers....

Acts 16
16As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling. 17She followed Paul and us, crying out, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.” 18And this she kept doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And it came out that very hour.

19But when her owners saw that their hope of gain was gone,
 
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Zi

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The if it be so, of v17 and the but if not v 18 are in regards to being thrown in or not.. you can't worship anything if your dead.. if you throw us in God will save us, but if you don't we still won't worship what you want us to
I always hope to have the kind of faith that says....Even if God doesn't save me, I will still not worship your idols..

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Daniel 3
16Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego answered and said to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. 17If this be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king.d 18But if not, be it known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the golden image that you have set up.”

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22Because the king’s order was urgent and the furnace overheated, the flame of the fire killed those men who took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. 23And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell bound into the burning fiery furnace.

24Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished and rose up in haste. He declared to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the fire?” They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.” 25He answered and said, “But I see four men unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”
 
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Ariel82

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Okay,that's all I could find...so which one were you wondering about Breno?
 
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Ariel82

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The if it be so, of v17 and the but if not v 18 are in regards to being thrown in or not.. you can't worship anything if your dead.. if you throw us in God will save us, but if you don't we still won't worship what you want us to
The king was going to throw them in...they said God is able to save them but even if He doesnt save them ,they would rather die than worship those idols.

To me it shows the type of faith we should all have.

The 1st century Christians died by lions, fire, etc instead of renouncing their faith. Many today still chose death over idol worship or spitting, burning or walking over the cross.
 
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Ariel82

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Soul Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary


Soul [N]
The Old Testament. The Hebrew word so rendered is nepes [v,p,n]. It appears 755 times in the Old Testament. The King James Version uses 42 different English terms to translate it. The two most common renderings are "soul" (428 times) and "life" (117 times). It is the synchronic use of nepes [v,p,n] that determines its meaning rather than the diachronic. Hebrew is inclined to use one and the same word for a variety of functions that are labeled with distinct words in English.

Nepes [v,p,n] in the Old Testament is never the "immortal soul" but simply the life principle or living being. Such is observable in Genesis 1:20, 21, 24, where the qualified (living) nepes [v,p,n] refers to animals and is rendered "living creatures." The same Hebrew term is then applied to the creation of humankind in Genesis 2:7, where dust is vitalized by the breath of God and becomes a "living being." Thus, human being shares soul with the animals. It is the breath of God that makes the lifeless dust a "living being"person.

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The New Testament. The counterpart to nepes [v,p,n] in the New Testament is psyche [yuchv] (nepes [v,p,n] is translated as psyche [yuchv] six hundred times in the Septaugint). Compared to nepes [v,p,n] in the Old Testament, psyche [yuchv] appears relatively infrequently in the New Testament. This may be due to the fact that nepes [v,p,n] is used extensively in poetic literature, which is more prevalent in the Old Testament than the New Testament. The Pauline Epistles concentrate more on soma [sw'ma] (body) and pneuma [pneu'ma] (spirit) than psyche [yuchv].

This word has a range of meanings similar to nepes [v,p,n]. It frequently designates life: one can risk his life ( John 13:37 ; Acts 15:26 ; Rom 16:4 ; Php 2:30 ), give his life ( Matt 20:28 ), lay down his life ( John 10:15 John 10:17-18 ), forfeit his life ( Matt 16:26 ), hate his life ( Luke 14:26 ), and have his life demanded of him ( Luke 12:20 ).
 
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breno785au

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#37
Okay,that's all I could find...so which one were you wondering about Breno?
All of them really. When I read through Acts I at times wonder why I/we as a church don't see much interaction with angels as they did. The only time I really hear of it is when friends of mine have gone into places of heavy persecution where they see this kind of happening, regularly.

Also Hebrews states:

Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.
Hebrews 1:14 NLT

So I'm careful not to write off angelic encounters, and I don't believe people who take notice of the encounters are worshipping the angels, it would be an extra-ordinary experience I think if an angel appeared before me lol

Oh and didn't an angel also speak to the guy who would take Saul in when he was blinded?
 
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Ariel82

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Found this interesting....

Spirit Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

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Spirit

The Old Testament. The Hebrew word for "spirit" is ruah [;jWr]. It appears 389 times in the Old Testament. Its varied use almost defies analysis, but some emphases are discernible. It is used more often of God (136 times) than of persons or animals (129 times)
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The New Testament. Pneuma [pneu'ma] is the New Testament counterpart to the Old Testament ruah [;jWr]. While it occasionally means wind ( John 3:8 ) and breath ( Matt 27:50 ; 2 Thess 2:8 ), it is most generally translates "spirit"an incorporeal, feeling, and intelligent being.

It was Mary's spirit that rejoiced ( Luke 1:47 ). Jesus "grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom" ( Luke 2:40 ). He was "deeply moved in spirit" when he saw Mary weeping over the death of Lazarus ( John 11:33 ). Apollos was characterized as speaking with "great fervor" ( Acts 18:25 ) and Paul "had no peace of mind" when Titus did not meet him at Troas ( 2 Cor 2:13 ). Jesus pronounced a blessing on the "poor in spirit" ( Matt 5:3 ).

In the New Testament spirit is also seen as that dimension of human personality whereby relationship with God is possible ( Mark 2:8 ; Acts 7:59 ; Rom 1:9 ; 8:16 ; 1 Cor 5:3-5 ). It is this human spiritual nature that enables continuing conversation with the divine Spirit ( Rom 8:9-17 ).

Occasionally pneuma will be treated in a parallel structure with psyche [yuchv]. The terms seem to be one and the same ( Luke 1:46-47 ) and seem to be interchangeable. On the other hand, there are passages that distinguish between the two. Paul speaks of Adam as a "living soul" but of Christ as a "life-giving spirit." The one is oriented to human life and the other to heavenly life.
 
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Ariel82

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All of them really. When I read through Acts I at times wonder why I/we as a church don't see much interaction with angels as they did. The only time I really hear of it is when friends of mine have gone into places of heavy persecution where they see this kind of happening, regularly.

Also Hebrews states:

Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.
Hebrews 1:14 NLT

So I'm careful not to write off angelic encounters, and I don't believe people who take notice of the encounters are worshipping the angels, it would be an extra-ordinary experience I think if an angel appeared before me lol

Oh and didn't an angel also speak to the guy who would take Saul in when he was blinded?
Acts 9

10Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias. The Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.” 11And the Lord said to him,

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No that was Jesus.
 

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The king was going to throw them in...they said God is able to save them but even if He doesnt save them ,they would rather die than worship those idols.
My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:prov 24:21

I will extol thee, my God, O king; and I will bless thy name for ever and ever.
2 Every day will I bless thee; and I will praise thy name for ever and ever.
3 Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unsearchable.
4 One generation shall praise thy works to another, and shall declare thy mighty acts.
Ps 145:1-4


Ex 7:1
7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God to Pharaoh:


To me it shows the type of faith we should all have.


13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
Prov 8:13-16