Disturbing Secrets of Joel Osteen: Satanism in Church

AgeofKnowledge · Aug 3, 2015

I'm not asserting that a seminary degree from theologically sound institution is a prerequisite for ministry. Rather, I'm stating that such an education is desirable and Joel would have benefitted from such an education.

Of course, at this juncture, that deficiency could be easily mitigated via mentorship from a genuine bible scholar such as Geisler, Craig, Beale, etc...

BenFTW said:

Angela53510 · Aug 3, 2015

Neither Joel, nor his wife Victoria know the Bible very well. In fact, I have my doubts that either of them have read it through, over and over. Nor studied it like you would in a conservative seminary, where the truth is learned through the Bible, by reading and studying it, including in the original languages.

That makes him unqualified as a pastor or church leader. I won't disqualify him from being a motivational speaker, but I certainly won't give the man or his wife the time of day!

“I just want to encourage every one of us to realize when we obey God, we’re not doing it for God—I mean, that’s one way to look at it—we’re doing it for ourselves, because God takes pleasure when we’re happy. That’s the thing that gives Him the greatest joy. So, I want you to know this morning: Just do good for your own self. Do good because God wants you to be happy. When you come to church, when you worship Him, you’re not doing it for God really. You’re doing it for yourself, because that’s what makes God happy. Amen?”

Victoria Osteen Says to Do Things for Self—Not for God | Tim Chaffey

Osteen is on record as fully endorsing the WOF errant concepts surrounding financial prosperity:
It's God's will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It's God's will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt. It's God's will for you to live in health and not in sickness all the days of your life[5]
In the above sermon we can see the Health & Wealth “gospel” summed up three sentences. So despite the good things that John Osteen did as a Pastor he got ensnared by the subtlety of false teaching and ended up misleading millions before his death.

So my first main concern is that we have a man in the pulpit of the largest congregation in America , being beamed around the world that has no biblical education or training for the vocation he says he has! To me we have a clear case of the blind leading the blind (read Luke 6:39) with the end result being masses of people falling into the ditch of spiritual ignorance, abuse and/or extremism.

Joel Osteen - False Preacher

"Joel, I appreciate the fact that you end every service by asking people to get right with God, having them pray a prayer where they say to Jesus, "I repent of my sins, come into my heart, I make you Lord and Savior."

The big problem is that you haven't told them what their sins are and you haven't told them what real repentance is. And since you are speaking to people around the world, you can't possibly assume that all of them understand the meaning of sin and redemption and repentance. (Most American Christians don't even understand these things today.)In short, you have not shared with them the whole counsel of God, and by telling them only part of the story, you have done what the false prophets of ancient Israel did: "You superficially treat the fracture of My people saying to them, 'All is well, all is well,' when nothing is well" (Jeremiah 6:14, my translation). A true physician tells his patients what they need to hear, not what they want to hear, as one preacher of old once said, "Ministers are not cooks, but physicians and therefore should not study to delight the palate, but to recover the patient" (Jean Daille).

Have you been more of a junk food cook than a physician? Have you been afraid to tell people their true condition? Have you been so concerned with making them feel good about themselves and giving them a sense of hope that you failed to diagnose their terminal sin disease?

Paul said to the elders of Ephesus, "I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God" (Acts 20:26-27).

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you have declared the whole counsel of God to your listening audience?
God has given you one of the largest platforms for the gospel in human history. Can you say before Him that you are "innocent of the blood of all"?

Have you ever taught extensively on the words of Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount? Have you ever worked your way through one of the letters of Paul? If not, why not?

Proverbs tells us that, Whoever rebukes a man will afterward find more favor than he who flatters with his tongue" (Proverbs 28:23). Do you believe God's Word, or do you feel you have found a better way to do His work?

I appreciate the fact that you hold up your Bible before you preach, as your father did, and you have people make a confession about God's Word, as you also learned to do from your father. But do you really preach that holy Word?
Shortly before Paul was martyred for his faith, he reminded Timothy that, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).He also gave him this solemn commission: "I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching" (2 Timothy 4:1-2).

Is this your pattern of preaching and ministry? Do you rebuke in love (Proverbs 27:5) as well as exhort and encourage?
Perhaps it's time to ask yourself honestly where you fit in this warning from Paul: "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths" (2 Timothy 4:1-4).

Wouldn't it be utterly heartbreaking if, on the day you stand before God, you discovered that you were one of these teachers? Wouldn't it be tragic if your efforts were found to be wood, hay, and stubble on that great and glorious Day (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)? And may I ask you candidly if you even talk about that holy day of accounting?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/an-open-letter-and-appeal-to-joel-and-victoria-osteen-rebuke-in-love-exhort-and-encourage-126176/

Also see:

https://discernmentministriesinternational.wordpress.com/category/victoria-osteen/

dcontroversal · Aug 3, 2015

I seen him with my own eyes on an interview refuse to state that the Islamic faith and belief in the Koran is contrary to the bible and that it would lead someone to hell.........with a smile I might add!

That is not someone who preaches the truth!

mwc68 · Aug 3, 2015

Angela53510 said:

Neither Joel, nor his wife Victoria know the Bible very well. In fact, I have my doubts that either of them have read it through, over and over. Nor studied it like you would in a conservative seminary, where the truth is learned through the Bible, by reading and studying it, including in the original languages.

That makes him unqualified as a pastor or church leader. I won't disqualify him from being a motivational speaker, but I certainly won't give the man or his wife the time of day!

“I just want to encourage every one of us to realize when we obey God, we’re not doing it for God—I mean, that’s one way to look at it—we’re doing it for ourselves, because God takes pleasure when we’re happy. That’s the thing that gives Him the greatest joy. So, I want you to know this morning: Just do good for your own self. Do good because God wants you to be happy. When you come to church, when you worship Him, you’re not doing it for God really. You’re doing it for yourself, because that’s what makes God happy. Amen?”

Victoria Osteen Says to Do Things for Self—Not for God | Tim Chaffey

Osteen is on record as fully endorsing the WOF errant concepts surrounding financial prosperity:
It's God's will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It's God's will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt. It's God's will for you to live in health and not in sickness all the days of your life[5]
In the above sermon we can see the Health & Wealth “gospel” summed up three sentences. So despite the good things that John Osteen did as a Pastor he got ensnared by the subtlety of false teaching and ended up misleading millions before his death.

So my first main concern is that we have a man in the pulpit of the largest congregation in America , being beamed around the world that has no biblical education or training for the vocation he says he has! To me we have a clear case of the blind leading the blind (read Luke 6:39) with the end result being masses of people falling into the ditch of spiritual ignorance, abuse and/or extremism.

Joel Osteen - False Preacher

"Joel, I appreciate the fact that you end every service by asking people to get right with God, having them pray a prayer where they say to Jesus, "I repent of my sins, come into my heart, I make you Lord and Savior."

The big problem is that you haven't told them what their sins are and you haven't told them what real repentance is. And since you are speaking to people around the world, you can't possibly assume that all of them understand the meaning of sin and redemption and repentance. (Most American Christians don't even understand these things today.)In short, you have not shared with them the whole counsel of God, and by telling them only part of the story, you have done what the false prophets of ancient Israel did: "You superficially treat the fracture of My people saying to them, 'All is well, all is well,' when nothing is well" (Jeremiah 6:14, my translation). A true physician tells his patients what they need to hear, not what they want to hear, as one preacher of old once said, "Ministers are not cooks, but physicians and therefore should not study to delight the palate, but to recover the patient" (Jean Daille).

Have you been more of a junk food cook than a physician? Have you been afraid to tell people their true condition? Have you been so concerned with making them feel good about themselves and giving them a sense of hope that you failed to diagnose their terminal sin disease?

Paul said to the elders of Ephesus, "I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God" (Acts 20:26-27).

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you have declared the whole counsel of God to your listening audience?
God has given you one of the largest platforms for the gospel in human history. Can you say before Him that you are "innocent of the blood of all"?

Have you ever taught extensively on the words of Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount? Have you ever worked your way through one of the letters of Paul? If not, why not?

Proverbs tells us that, Whoever rebukes a man will afterward find more favor than he who flatters with his tongue" (Proverbs 28:23). Do you believe God's Word, or do you feel you have found a better way to do His work?

I appreciate the fact that you hold up your Bible before you preach, as your father did, and you have people make a confession about God's Word, as you also learned to do from your father. But do you really preach that holy Word?
Shortly before Paul was martyred for his faith, he reminded Timothy that, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).He also gave him this solemn commission: "I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching" (2 Timothy 4:1-2).

Is this your pattern of preaching and ministry? Do you rebuke in love (Proverbs 27:5) as well as exhort and encourage?
Perhaps it's time to ask yourself honestly where you fit in this warning from Paul: "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths" (2 Timothy 4:1-4).

Wouldn't it be utterly heartbreaking if, on the day you stand before God, you discovered that you were one of these teachers? Wouldn't it be tragic if your efforts were found to be wood, hay, and stubble on that great and glorious Day (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)? And may I ask you candidly if you even talk about that holy day of accounting?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/an-open-letter-and-appeal-to-joel-and-victoria-osteen-rebuke-in-love-exhort-and-encourage-126176/

Also see:

https://discernmentministriesinternational.wordpress.com/category/victoria-osteen/

Joel is dead?

Angela53510 · Aug 3, 2015

mwc68 said:

No, just his father. John Osteen died in 1999. That last quote is talking about what might happen to Joel when he dies or on Judgement Day.

LanceA · Aug 3, 2015

Angela53510 said:

Neither Joel, nor his wife Victoria know the Bible very well. In fact, I have my doubts that either of them have read it through, over and over. Nor studied it like you would in a conservative seminary, where the truth is learned through the Bible, by reading and studying it, including in the original languages.

That makes him unqualified as a pastor or church leader. I won't disqualify him from being a motivational speaker, but I certainly won't give the man or his wife the time of day!

“I just want to encourage every one of us to realize when we obey God, we’re not doing it for God—I mean, that’s one way to look at it—we’re doing it for ourselves, because God takes pleasure when we’re happy. That’s the thing that gives Him the greatest joy. So, I want you to know this morning: Just do good for your own self. Do good because God wants you to be happy. When you come to church, when you worship Him, you’re not doing it for God really. You’re doing it for yourself, because that’s what makes God happy. Amen?”

Victoria Osteen Says to Do Things for Self—Not for God | Tim Chaffey

Osteen is on record as fully endorsing the WOF errant concepts surrounding financial prosperity:
It's God's will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It's God's will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt. It's God's will for you to live in health and not in sickness all the days of your life[5]
In the above sermon we can see the Health & Wealth “gospel” summed up three sentences. So despite the good things that John Osteen did as a Pastor he got ensnared by the subtlety of false teaching and ended up misleading millions before his death.

So my first main concern is that we have a man in the pulpit of the largest congregation in America , being beamed around the world that has no biblical education or training for the vocation he says he has! To me we have a clear case of the blind leading the blind (read Luke 6:39) with the end result being masses of people falling into the ditch of spiritual ignorance, abuse and/or extremism.

Joel Osteen - False Preacher

"Joel, I appreciate the fact that you end every service by asking people to get right with God, having them pray a prayer where they say to Jesus, "I repent of my sins, come into my heart, I make you Lord and Savior."

The big problem is that you haven't told them what their sins are and you haven't told them what real repentance is. And since you are speaking to people around the world, you can't possibly assume that all of them understand the meaning of sin and redemption and repentance. (Most American Christians don't even understand these things today.)In short, you have not shared with them the whole counsel of God, and by telling them only part of the story, you have done what the false prophets of ancient Israel did: "You superficially treat the fracture of My people saying to them, 'All is well, all is well,' when nothing is well" (Jeremiah 6:14, my translation). A true physician tells his patients what they need to hear, not what they want to hear, as one preacher of old once said, "Ministers are not cooks, but physicians and therefore should not study to delight the palate, but to recover the patient" (Jean Daille).

Have you been more of a junk food cook than a physician? Have you been afraid to tell people their true condition? Have you been so concerned with making them feel good about themselves and giving them a sense of hope that you failed to diagnose their terminal sin disease?

Paul said to the elders of Ephesus, "I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God" (Acts 20:26-27).

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you have declared the whole counsel of God to your listening audience?
God has given you one of the largest platforms for the gospel in human history. Can you say before Him that you are "innocent of the blood of all"?

Have you ever taught extensively on the words of Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount? Have you ever worked your way through one of the letters of Paul? If not, why not?

Proverbs tells us that, Whoever rebukes a man will afterward find more favor than he who flatters with his tongue" (Proverbs 28:23). Do you believe God's Word, or do you feel you have found a better way to do His work?

I appreciate the fact that you hold up your Bible before you preach, as your father did, and you have people make a confession about God's Word, as you also learned to do from your father. But do you really preach that holy Word?
Shortly before Paul was martyred for his faith, he reminded Timothy that, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).He also gave him this solemn commission: "I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching" (2 Timothy 4:1-2).

Is this your pattern of preaching and ministry? Do you rebuke in love (Proverbs 27:5) as well as exhort and encourage?
Perhaps it's time to ask yourself honestly where you fit in this warning from Paul: "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths" (2 Timothy 4:1-4).

Wouldn't it be utterly heartbreaking if, on the day you stand before God, you discovered that you were one of these teachers? Wouldn't it be tragic if your efforts were found to be wood, hay, and stubble on that great and glorious Day (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)? And may I ask you candidly if you even talk about that holy day of accounting?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/an-open-letter-and-appeal-to-joel-and-victoria-osteen-rebuke-in-love-exhort-and-encourage-126176/

Also see:

https://discernmentministriesinternational.wordpress.com/category/victoria-osteen/

Can you show me in the Bible where it says you need to go to seminary school to be a pastor

NotmebutHim · Aug 3, 2015

"Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." - 2 Timothy 4:2-4

Osteen and all the other Word of Faith and prosperity gospel teachers appeal to our fleshly desires. "The lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" as the Apostle John wrote. They sell God to us as a cosmic vending machine, always at our beck and call.

mwc68 · Aug 3, 2015

Angela53510 said:

Oh! ok then. I live close to Houston and surely would have heard of his demise lol

KennethC · Aug 4, 2015

LanceA said:

It doesn't say that at all in the bible, for what it does say is the anointing of the Holy Spirit will lead us in all truth (John 16:13) and we will no need for any many to teach us (1 John 2:27).

popeye · Aug 4, 2015

AgeofKnowledge said:

Then peter and moses didn't make your cut either.
One was ignorant,the other stuttered.

Seems like i read somewhere God uses the foolish things to confound the wise.

popeye · Aug 4, 2015

NotmebutHim said:

"Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." - 2 Timothy 4:2-4

Osteen and all the other Word of Faith and prosperity gospel teachers appeal to our fleshly desires. "The lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" as the Apostle John wrote. They sell God to us as a cosmic vending machine, always at our beck and call.

Sounds like you never heard a word of exhortation you didn't cringe over?

popeye · Aug 4, 2015

Angela53510 said:

Neither Joel, nor his wife Victoria know the Bible very well. In fact, I have my doubts that either of them have read it through, over and over. Nor studied it like you would in a conservative seminary, where the truth is learned through the Bible, by reading and studying it, including in the original languages.

That makes him unqualified as a pastor or church leader. I won't disqualify him from being a motivational speaker, but I certainly won't give the man or his wife the time of day!

“I just want to encourage every one of us to realize when we obey God, we’re not doing it for God—I mean, that’s one way to look at it—we’re doing it for ourselves, because God takes pleasure when we’re happy. That’s the thing that gives Him the greatest joy. So, I want you to know this morning: Just do good for your own self. Do good because God wants you to be happy. When you come to church, when you worship Him, you’re not doing it for God really. You’re doing it for yourself, because that’s what makes God happy. Amen?”

Victoria Osteen Says to Do Things for Self—Not for God | Tim Chaffey

Osteen is on record as fully endorsing the WOF errant concepts surrounding financial prosperity:
It's God's will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It's God's will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt. It's God's will for you to live in health and not in sickness all the days of your life[5]
In the above sermon we can see the Health & Wealth “gospel” summed up three sentences. So despite the good things that John Osteen did as a Pastor he got ensnared by the subtlety of false teaching and ended up misleading millions before his death.

So my first main concern is that we have a man in the pulpit of the largest congregation in America , being beamed around the world that has no biblical education or training for the vocation he says he has! To me we have a clear case of the blind leading the blind (read Luke 6:39) with the end result being masses of people falling into the ditch of spiritual ignorance, abuse and/or extremism.

Joel Osteen - False Preacher

"Joel, I appreciate the fact that you end every service by asking people to get right with God, having them pray a prayer where they say to Jesus, "I repent of my sins, come into my heart, I make you Lord and Savior."

The big problem is that you haven't told them what their sins are and you haven't told them what real repentance is. And since you are speaking to people around the world, you can't possibly assume that all of them understand the meaning of sin and redemption and repentance. (Most American Christians don't even understand these things today.)In short, you have not shared with them the whole counsel of God, and by telling them only part of the story, you have done what the false prophets of ancient Israel did: "You superficially treat the fracture of My people saying to them, 'All is well, all is well,' when nothing is well" (Jeremiah 6:14, my translation). A true physician tells his patients what they need to hear, not what they want to hear, as one preacher of old once said, "Ministers are not cooks, but physicians and therefore should not study to delight the palate, but to recover the patient" (Jean Daille).

Have you been more of a junk food cook than a physician? Have you been afraid to tell people their true condition? Have you been so concerned with making them feel good about themselves and giving them a sense of hope that you failed to diagnose their terminal sin disease?

Paul said to the elders of Ephesus, "I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God" (Acts 20:26-27).

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you have declared the whole counsel of God to your listening audience?
God has given you one of the largest platforms for the gospel in human history. Can you say before Him that you are "innocent of the blood of all"?

Have you ever taught extensively on the words of Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount? Have you ever worked your way through one of the letters of Paul? If not, why not?

Proverbs tells us that, Whoever rebukes a man will afterward find more favor than he who flatters with his tongue" (Proverbs 28:23). Do you believe God's Word, or do you feel you have found a better way to do His work?

I appreciate the fact that you hold up your Bible before you preach, as your father did, and you have people make a confession about God's Word, as you also learned to do from your father. But do you really preach that holy Word?
Shortly before Paul was martyred for his faith, he reminded Timothy that, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).He also gave him this solemn commission: "I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching" (2 Timothy 4:1-2).

Is this your pattern of preaching and ministry? Do you rebuke in love (Proverbs 27:5) as well as exhort and encourage?
Perhaps it's time to ask yourself honestly where you fit in this warning from Paul: "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths" (2 Timothy 4:1-4).

Wouldn't it be utterly heartbreaking if, on the day you stand before God, you discovered that you were one of these teachers? Wouldn't it be tragic if your efforts were found to be wood, hay, and stubble on that great and glorious Day (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)? And may I ask you candidly if you even talk about that holy day of accounting?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/an-open-letter-and-appeal-to-joel-and-victoria-osteen-rebuke-in-love-exhort-and-encourage-126176/

Also see:

https://discernmentministriesinternational.wordpress.com/category/victoria-osteen/

what other solid biblical ground are you in contempt over?

popeye · Aug 4, 2015

AgeofKnowledge said:

No such thing as a preacher or a human w/o deficiencies.

Ask your guys that very question. They are not God.

BTW,I have geislers sytematic theology. Really good and i recommend it. perfect? far,far from it.

popeye · Aug 4, 2015

Is said:

UH,your guy,hank Hannegraff, did he ever apologise for the extortion and plagiarism?

popeye · Aug 4, 2015

Is said:

Ive never heard any preacher preach the pure gospel.(almost never)

Show me where your guy has a book on dead raising and opening blind eyes.

JoelG · Aug 4, 2015

I just find it odd that the riches guy in the church is the preacher. god said rich people would find it difficult to enter Heaven. Why get that close to that predicament to risk that. Sitting on this kind of income is shameful. I read where a village needed money to bring fresh water to their community and this would surely be a blessing for them. Rich people feel God wants them to be rich, I've heard this said. No one should support this type of behavior and candy coat it. Yes, he is giving a great message overall but, "Don't look at the man behind the curtain".

popeye · Aug 4, 2015

JoelG said:

The only reason I defend "prosperity" is because it is solid,rock solid biblically. Now,are all to prosper? well, sort of. Bbecause to prosper is to increase.

What you are seeing with WOF (osteen) is ERROR BY EMPHASIS. They take a concept and way,way,overdo,and over emphasize.

What you see in this forum is called "throw out the baby w/the bath water"

BTW,what would stop the mega salaries,and help the poor,would be a rule such as "THE PASTOR IS NOT ALLOWED TO RECEIVE A SALARY LARGER THAN HIS POOREST MEMBER,NOR SHALL ANYONE BE DENIED MEMBERSHIP DUE TO LOW INCOME"

I think the millions they make is obscene and a shame to heaven.(but not nearly as bad as the flaws of the accusers,because they are holding hands with THE ACCUSER.)

popeye · Aug 4, 2015

JoelG said:

I just find it odd that the riches guy in the church is the preacher. god said rich people would find it difficult to enter Heaven. Why get that close to that predicament to risk that. Sitting on this kind of income is shameful. I read where a village needed money to bring fresh water to their community and this would surely be a blessing for them. Rich people feel God wants them to be rich, I've heard this said. No one should support this type of behavior and candy coat it. Yes, he is giving a great message overall but, "Don't look at the man behind the curtain".

Bingo! We have a winner. Yes sir. True dat

KennethC · Aug 5, 2015

JoelG said:

I don't mind people being financially well off and stating they are Christian, but the question I would ask these people who are well off, and rich; Do you think God would be pleased with you basking in your finances while others are starving, homeless, and suffering daily ???

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