Do antisemitic Gentile Christians provoke rejection or Biblical jealousy?

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If god calls you, you are not wrong. If you call to god, you are not wrong. The whole, tree is known by its fruits thing...
I feel this should be looked at by the lens of the holy spirit not so culturally or politically, only thoughts.
Without one, it is difficult to know of the other; noting that the things seen are the image of spiritual matters. I agree with you, that the spiritual matter is eternal, but the things seen perish with the using of them. With this key to open, comes a better understanding. Solid post Born Again.
 
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Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

This verse is often cited and rarely understood. (I am NOT AIMING at the post cited here).

If we married men look at our wives we will certainly realize that there are still differences between male and female.

That understanding can be very helpful in interpreting this verse. Anyone familiar with Messianic Jewish believers will see obvious cultural distinctions.

My point is that the verse is NOT trying to say that all differences have been eliminated!

The intent here is simply that, within the body of Christ, God does not show preference or favoritism to Jews over gentiles or men over women or workers over bosses. IT DOES NOT MEAN that God doesn't recognize any distinguishing characteristics!
I like the comparison to marriage. However, I see it a bit differently.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

The distinction is being baptized into Christ. There's only one way, one truth one life,(Jesus.) Cultural differences don't play a part in that, biblical soundness and faithfulness does.

It also reminds me of what Paul said here:

Ephesians 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. (Also in Genesis 2: 23-24)
Ephesians 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

The OT is filled with pictures of that marriage, one example that comes to mind is the entire book of Hosea.

Perhaps that's part of what "provokes the Jews to jealousy, seeing the mysteries (and blessings) being revealed to faithful Gentiles in Christ?

2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Some very interesting points in 1 Cor 10:1-4... There are correlations there between Moses and John the baptist and the coming of the LORD.
 
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I thought you said the Gentile Church...not the Institution called Roman Catholicism.
Have not most protestant denominations adopted these traditions from the first Roman Catholic church during Constantine's era described in this post ?

To make an even more defined division of the two sects,
worshiping only on the first day of the week, the day of the sun god.
changed the observance of Passover to the spring pagan holiday of Ishtar,
celebrating the birth of Jesus to the pagan winter solstice, the birthday of Nimrod on December 25, now known as Christmas.



 
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Why can't people just choose one or the other? Judaism or Christianity. Why try to mix them all together and call it "holy" and "obedience"?

If you want to be a Christian be a full on Christian.

If you want to practice Judaism then fully practice Judaism.

If those practicing Judaism are going to be brought to jealousy because of Christians it will be because the Christians have the Holy Spirit and don't practice the same carnal commandments as Judaism does. Why would they be jealous of half christianity and half judaism?

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Division is not God's will and Paul describes this in Ephesians 2:12-16. And please do not skew verse 15 as it seems to read for the unlearned. That verse is directly pointing toward the physical aspects of ancient temple ordinances, not the definition of God's agape love, the beginning of those love instructions recorded in Exodus, chapters 20 through 23. Traditions of the modern church that are not Biblical are no different than the leaven of the Pharisees and Jesus exhorts us to be aware of them.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

[SUP]13 [/SUP]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
 
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For a time I saw a similar jealousy (Matthew chapter 20) among those who were the first laborers that worked the whole day for the owner of a vineyard. Their jealousy stemmed from knowledge of those who were hired the last hour and received the same wage. I Know Israel was among the first to receive the burden of law and words of the prophets. Their labor in the law would not and could not receive the promised land first. It was their first born who received the promise first; bringing a profound understanding that the first shall be last and the last shall be first. This is what I understand of this type of jealousy; I know there is more but I will not pretend that I know more, only that I know there is more to this.
 
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What is a Gentile?
What is Semetic?
What is a Jew?
What is a Christian?
The term Gentile and Greek are a type of people who were considered as being 'common' or 'filthy' to the Jewish people. Jewish could also include the term Israel; a people to whom the laws of God were given to. In Galations 3; 26-29 I have found wording that states neither Jew nor Greek; could just as easily been neither Jew not Gentile for the purpose of understanding what once considered unlawful for the Jew to commune with the Gentile or Greek, because they (we) were considered a filthy people. But what is being made clear are those who are 'in Christ' there is no difference between the two. For in Christ we are made into the nature of one who belongs to God. Having considered this; If a Gentile is no longer unlawful in Christ, than the jealousy is no longer about nations nearly as much as jealousy towards the adopted; which we can know by your natures in this present time, that there often is Jealousy towards the adopted for having the same inheritance and the same consideration among God's people.
 
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