Do Dinosaur Fossils Validate the "Old Earth" Theory?

[4enlightment]

The human body literally glows, emitting a visible light in extremely small quantities at levels that rise and fall with the day, scientists now reveal.
Strange! Humans Glow in Visible Light | LiveScience


John 1:4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

 

[SweetSavour]

i

you DO NOT KNOW THE SCRIPTURE UNDERSTANDABLY

it is not until THE END OF VERSE 1 that we have LIGHT ie electromagnetism and time begins
thus space matter electromagnetism time - the raw material for constructing the universe
no stars until day 4
no sun until day 4

LOL! How do you have 4 days without a sun?

 

[danschance]

I said forget about Hitler already!

Still doesn't change the fact that the Holocaust was carried out by
mainly Protestant Christian Nazis.

Now what do you think about my post #157? It seems you dodged that.

The old atheist lie "Hitler was a Christian/Catholic".


Religion and Nazi Germany

Religion played a role in Nazi Germany but as with so many other aspects of life in the state, religion became the ‘property’ of the government with the introduction of the Reich Church. While Hitler had been brought up as a Roman Catholic, he rejected Christian beliefs as an adult. He wrote in ‘Mein Kampf’ that “antiquity was better than modern times because it did not know Christianity and syphilis.” Hitler also forwarded other reasons in ‘Mein Kampf’ as to why Christianity should be rejected.

1.It protected the weak and the low.

2.Christianity was Jewish and Oriental in origin and it forced people “to bends their backs to the sound of the church bells and crawl to the cross of a foreign God.”

3.Christianity began 2000 years previous among sick, exhausted and despairing men who had lost their belief in life.

4.The Christian tenets of forgiveness of sin, resurrection and salvation were “plain nonsense”.

5.The Christian idea of mercy was a dangerous idea and “un-German”.

6.Christian love was a silly idea because love paralysed men.

7.The Christian idea of equality protected the racially inferior, the ill, the weak and the crippled.

Alfred Rosenberg was considered to be the Nazi Party’s main philosopher and he put his faith in Positive Christianity. This replaced the “Oriental” aspects of Christianity that Hitler disapproved of and replaced them with “positive aspects” – such as racialism, the reintroduction of old Nordic values, the supremacy of the Aryan race and the importance of the individual heroic figure. However, a great deal of Positive Christianity as purported by Rosenberg came across to Hitler as nonsense in itself and he did not shy away from telling his inner circle such.

When Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th 1933, he took a more pragmatic approach to the churches that existed in Germany at the time. There were those in Nazi Germany who believed that Hitler had, in fact, saved the various churches in Germany from communism and in the early days of Nazism few church leaders expressed an overt concern about Hitler.

On July 30th 1933, Hitler signed the Concordat with the Catholic Church. He guaranteed the integrity of the Catholic Church and agreed that it should have its rights and privileges protected. It was made clear that as long as the Catholic Church kept out of politics it would not be troubled.

“In concluding the agreement, Hitler hoped to assure himself of an atmosphere of confidence by impressing world public opinion. He was deeply proud of his first diplomatic success” (Louis Snyder)

However, the success he achieved with the Catholic Church was not replicated with the various Protestant denominations in Germany. They were more concerned about the planned replacement of normal Christian values with those that included ‘Blut und Boden’ (Blood and Soil). In 1934, Professor Ernst Bergmann put forward his ideas for a new German religion. Bergmann stated that:

1.The Old Testament and many parts of the New Testament were not suitable for a new Germany.

2.Christ was a Nordic martyr who was put to death by the Jews. Christ was a warrior whose death rescued the world from Jewish dominance.

3.Adolf Hitler is the new Messiah sent to earth to save the world from Jews.

4.The swastika should become the symbol of German Christianity.

5.The scared assets of German Christians were German land, German blood, German soul and German art.

“Either we have a German God or none at all. The international God flies with the strongest squadrons – and they are not on the German side. We cannot kneel to a God who pays more attention to the French than to us. We Germans have been forsaken by the Christian God. He is not a just, supernatural God, but a party political God of the others. It is because we believed in him and not in our own German God that we were defeated in the struggle of the nations.”

Christians within Nazi Germany – and across the world – were horrified by these statements. German Protestants gathered around the Confessional Church (Bekennniskirche), which worked to maintain the purity of the Evangelical faith. The Confessional Church refused to obey the Reich Bishop of the Reich Church and it declared that Christian beliefs were incompatible with Nazi religious beliefs. This put Confessional Church leaders in a dangerous position. Martin Niemoeller was arrested for sedition. He was found not guilty on many of the charges but was re-arrested and sent to a concentration camp. Dr Karl Barth, a leading German theologian, was sacked from his position as Professor of Theology at Bonn University because he refused to start each lesson of with a ‘Heil Hitler’ accompanied by a Nazi salute. Dietrich Bonhoffer became part of the opposition movement against Hitler.

The Concordat signed with the Catholic Church did not last long. Once Hitler felt entrenched in power, he ordered Joseph Goebbels to turn the Nazi propaganda machine against the Catholic Church. Monks and nuns were accused of smuggling gold out of Germany while priests were accused of immorality. The Archbishop of Munich-Freising had to be given diplomatic status by the Papacy to save him from arrest (he was made a Papal Legate). The concerns in Rome were such that Pope Pius XI issued ‘With Deep Anxiety’. It accused Hitler of treating Catholics in Germany in an inhumane manner and breaking the terms of the Concordat.

From:Religion and Nazi Germany

 

[SweetSavour]

Does the "true Christian/Not a true Christian" argument still have merit when theists have no consenus on what it means to be Christian? If being Christian meant "Follows Christian doctrine XYZ" and nothing more than all Christians would act/think the same, that isn't the case with the many different sects of Christianity all interpreting the bible differently. There is no constant with the definition. When a Christian pulls the "not a true Christian" card they mean "their definition of Christianity is different to mine". How can the "no true Christian" argument be valid if there is no common consensus as to what that means? The same with other religions and other identities.

No true Scotsman fallacy - Iron Chariots Wiki

 

[Bowman]

you are beholden to the concept that the earth gets created from the sun, thus the sun comes first

This is called accretion.

the laws of physics, specifically the law of conservation of angular momentum proves that the earth DID NOT come from our sun

Couple that to a reversed biased zener...and tell us what you have...?

 

[GRA]

Couple that to a reversed biased zener...and tell us what you have...?

A short? shunt? bypass? low-resistance path through a semiconductor device?

Do it twice and you have "a pair of shorts"... ?

"Oh - that's right -- it depends on what you couple it with..."

EDIT: Possibly --- a burned-out diode...

 

[Bowman]

A short? shunt? bypass? low-resistance path through a semiconductor device?

Do it twice and you have "a pair of shorts"... ?

"Oh - that's right -- it depends on what you couple it with..."

EDIT: Possibly --- a burned-out diode...

A brother on the same page...

 

[GRA]

A brother on the same page...

Only with regard to having a knowledge of electronics --- I'm sorry to say...

When it comes to the Bible, I believe there is a 'disconnect' between you and the truth...

( "Just being honest." )

However, I also believe that others have the right to be wrong * * * * * I mean - - - - - the right to believe differently...

( "Yes - it is just a joke." )

 

[Bowman]

Only with regard to having a knowledge of electronics --- I'm sorry to say...

When it comes to the Bible, I believe there is a 'disconnect' between you and the truth...

( "Just being honest." )

However, I also believe that others have the right to be wrong * * * * * I mean - - - - - the right to believe differently...

( "Yes - it is just a joke." )

I feel the same about you, brother...

 

[GRA]

I feel the same about you, brother...

"O.K. ---- Well --- Now that we have that out of the way..."

I couldn't help but think that your "Couple that..." statement was "cute" ( for serious lack of whatever word it is that I really want to use here, but cannot think of right now ) -- and just had to write post #186 - just for fun...

EDIT: "We now return you to the thread topic..."

 

[jimmydiggs]

Actually from how It reads, Day one, of everything ever, is not stated, It would be in the very first sentence, it says, in the beginning . it dose not state when the beginning was.

Its not until later in the chapter, that you get the Day one, that your probably thinking of.

"in the beginning" is part of day one. Can you follow the structure of the text?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Most curious is that YEC's even think that the earth looks old - even to them!

But...being YEC's, they must then invent the notion that God created then earth with the appearance of age so that what they plainly see with their eyes can then match their interpretation of scripture...

How old was Adam?

 

[jimmydiggs]

LOL! How do you have 4 days without a sun?

The amount of time that passes is not dependent upon a star. Four twenty four hour periods served consecutively are still four twenty four hour periods served consecutively.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Nope. They validate the "young fossil" and "young dinosaurs" theories. If you call 6000 years young.

 

[thecreationtutor]

sounds like you make an assumption that fossils take lots of time to be made, when under the right situation, you can make a fossil in a matter of weeks

 

[Bowman]

How old was Adam?

When he died...or when he was created?

There is no reason to believe that he was created with the appearance of age as YEC's would like to think. A simple reading of Genesis informs the reader that he was formed from the ground which means that it was a long, slow process.

Couple this with ALL the things that Adam did while he was gowing up....and when he finally discovered that he was lonely, God created the first human clone from Adam - and, as the text describes, Eve was away from Adam being raised as a child so that 'at long last' she could be brought to Adam as a mate.

We have to remember that God was their first parent, and, a literal reading of the text strongly implies that it was God in human form who raised Adam and Eve....just as we would do today...

 

[Bowman]

The amount of time that passes is not dependent upon a star. Four twenty four hour periods served consecutively are still four twenty four hour periods served consecutively.

What reference point?

Time has no meaning if you cannot keep track of it.